Pit Censorship

Mohab

This place censors so much . I find it a little bit painfully ironic because they have released statements that amount to backing free speech, and are often tenaciously supportive of at least thier own right to speek without being booed down. Now i don't like negative threads, name calling, racist, sexist homo phobic bullshit crosses the line. But if someone wants to rag in thier own thread on the bands shortcomings (and like any they have many) ad infinitum, what the fucks up with the paternalistic shotdown, keeping the product rolling? jst wondering, and please dont post board guidlines, ive read through them and am not a troll. I just want to see justice for people who get censored for being honest, like whoever posted about being let down at some recent concerts.

slightofjeff

I'd need an example of said "censorship." There seem to be people bitching left and right, pretty much unfettered.

Also, it's a private message board. There is no such thing as "free speech."

hopethatuchoke

slightofjeff wrote:

I'd need an example of said "censorship."

He can't really show an example of something that has been deleted.

slightofjeff

hopethatuchoke wrote:

He can't really show an example of something that has been deleted.

I don't need a link. I'll take his word for it.

Lizard

hopethatuchoke wrote:

He can't really show an example of something that has been deleted.

D'oh.

DiRtYyELLoWoCeAn

There has been all sorts of name calling and swearing without censorship or repremend as of late around here....... and like slightofjeff said it is a private board by joing you agree to "their rules"

slightofjeff

My point is, if they really are censoring all negative opinions about the band ... they sure are doing a lousy job of it.

Look around.

People bitching about setlists.
People bitching about posters.
People bitching because tickets cost too much.
People bitching because they couldn't get tickets at all.

Where's "censorship" when you need it?

hrd2imgn

it sounds real juvenile, but there really is no need for name calling on the board unless it is geared towards a poilitician/terrorist

mattcozea

Mohab wrote:

I just want to see justice for people who get censored for being honest, like whoever posted about being let down at some recent concerts.

The thread is still there, it wasn't locked or deleted, so how was he censored?

Mohab

maybe they should have ahall of what gets censored for review or soemthing, ive just seem stuff go down that MAYBE shouldn't have, and according to the liberal free specch principles like dont drown out a bad opinion casue it may bring other better opinions to light etc are clearly in question, thats all im saying.

Evacuation Rules

It's funny you should mention it, since a post I made yesterday seems to have vanished. It was a post about the 2008 boots and how crappy they sound.

samnation

Obviously this topic has been discussed at length over the years. But what I always come back to is that criticism and complaints should of course always be allowed, but there is a way to do it that is respectful & progressive and there is also a way to do it that is disrespectful & regressive.

Example: there is a big difference between "I really, really didn't like the last Pearl Jam album. It just was not as good as their earlier stuff" and "The last Pearl Jam hunk'a'crap was the worst piece of sh*t this lame band has ever puked out. What losers!!!" The first statement would not get your post locked or deleted but the second one might - both saying essentially the same thing. It's not about whether or not you can criticize the band, it's about respect.

And that is pretty much the same anywhere you go. If you go to eat in a restaurant and you don't like the food, you can tell the host or the manager that you are unhappy and often times they will try and work it out. But if you stand on the table and start yelling obscenities, chances are they will call the cops and have you arrested, plus ban you from coming back.

Laura in NJ

On the Allman Brothers message boards, there is a separate thread entitled "Whipping Post." It is designed to be a place to make your point and do it to death, and you are supposed to keep some relationship to the ABB. It works really well over there. Why not create a similar thread here, and confine all the bitching and moaning posts to that location? The moderators here could then move any offending posts there and lock any thread started with that type of topic.

We could even call it "Whipping." LOL

Mohab

whipping post - good call

smithnic

Who gives a flying whatever if someone insults you on the internet? Bunch of babies. They are just words from someone who doesn't know you at all!

Mohab

samnation wrote:

Obviously this topic has been discussed at length over the years. But what I always come back to is that criticism and complaints should of course always be allowed, but there is a way to do it that is respectful & progressive and there is also a way to do it that is disrespectful & regressive.

Example: there is a big difference between "I really, really didn't like the last Pearl Jam album. It just was not as good as their earlier stuff" and "The last Pearl Jam hunk'a'crap was the worst piece of sh*t this lame band has ever puked out. What losers!!!" The first statement would not get your post locked or deleted but the second one might - both saying essentially the same thing. It's not about whether or not you can criticize the band, it's about respect.

And that is pretty much the same anywhere you go. If you go to eat in a restaurant and you don't like the food, you can tell the host or the manager that you are unhappy and often times they will try and work it out. But if you stand on the table and start yelling obscenities, chances are they will call the cops and have you arrested, plus ban you from coming back.

this aint no fancy restaurant. some people swear and use crude langauage but have no less to say

mattcozea

JWBusher wrote:

It's funny you should mention it, since a post I made yesterday seems to have vanished. It was a post about the 2008 boots and how crappy they sound.

This one? http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?p=5625547#post5625547

Mohab

mattcoz wrote:

This one? http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=291731

dude, your way off base thinking cencorship isnt going on, stop trying to nit pick when it is a long standing debate, maybe you have something else to add, or maybe not

Laura in NJ

JWBusher wrote:

It's funny you should mention it, since a post I made yesterday seems to have vanished. It was a post about the 2008 boots and how crappy they sound.

No, it's there. I just read it:

http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=293353

and the ones in here:

http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=291731&page=9

and here:

http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=290840

It looks like your boot comments are pretty much intact.

mattcozea

Mohab wrote:

dude, your way off base thinking cencorship isnt going on, stop trying to nit pick when it is a long standing debate, maybe you have something else to add, or maybe not

Well I haven't seen any, and I just wanted to know of an example. Without an example I can't really give my opinion on whether or not it was appropriate.

Mohab

mattcoz wrote:

Well I haven't seen any, and I just wanted to know of an example. Without an example I can't really give my opinion on whether or not it was appropriate.

Too bad, I'd like to hear it, but can't really think of a way to post that info. Sorry to have been a bit of a dick on my last post.