Lost Dogs: Blatant Careerism?

pkh43
pkh43 Posts: 253
edited April 2008 in The Porch
So many great songs that could've been hits left off each album. On purpose? To not be popular in the mainstream ? Hang onto their punk roots? Thinking too much?
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  • Rhinocerous Surprise
    Rhinocerous Surprise Posts: 4,423
    I don't think intentionally flying under the radar counts as careerism in the traditional sense. Careerism would've been endorsing a line of corduroy jackets to make sure they're in the money for another 25 years.

    But the songs that were on Lost Dogs were left off their respective albums because they didn't flow, in the band's opinion. And I think they flow pretty nicely together on Lost Dogs.:D
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  • nowayimfaithfull
    nowayimfaithfull Posts: 2,051
    Some people lose sight of what rock and roll used to be. It wasnt always about writing catch hits. Bands used to be able to do what they wanted in terms on releasing songs,, if they were radio friendly or not. It would have been considered the norm. Nowadays their are stricter rules to how a band has to operate.
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  • MichaelMcKevin
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    nowayimfaithfull wrote:
    Some people lose sight of what rock and roll used to be. It wasnt always about writing catch hits. Bands used to be able to do what they wanted in terms on releasing songs,, if they were radio friendly or not. It would have been considered the norm. Nowadays their are stricter rules to how a band has to operate.


    I like this response (must be a south jersey thing ;) ). I don't think they threw away songs that they knew were better than some making the albums. It just goes to show how fuckin' good they are that they take their "scraps" and throw em all together into an amazing compilation.
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  • NeverbeenLedbetter
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    I always thought one of the great things in the early days was knowing all the songs on the album and then finding a b-side on 1 of the singles and getting to know that song. I was sad that their weren't b-sides from self-titled (that we know of).
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  • nowayimfaithfull
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    GivenToCarve wrote:
    I like this response (must be a south jersey thing ;) ). I don't think they threw away songs that they knew were better than some making the albums. It just goes to show how fuckin' good they are that they take their "scraps" and throw em all together into an amazing compilation.


    More so they could have put more material on the records for the sake of having constant releases for songs. Like the chilli pepers do. The touring followers like us fans for pj, allow this band to operate on their terms. They work their ass off touring, I bet deep down they wished they could tour less at times, but they know if they keep touring we will follow., It has to take alot of pressure off their writing mainstream friendly songs. Unlike a band like stp, they know the more they tour the mored fucked up on drugs they get, so they put alot more emphasis on radio songs.
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  • nowayimfaithfull
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    NeverbeenLedbetter wrote:
    I always thought one of the great things in the early days was knowing all the songs on the album and then finding a b-side on 1 of the singles and getting to know that song. I was sad that their weren't b-sides from self-titled (that we know of).


    Music has changed, there really wasnt for binaurul, the first 2 singles had insignifigance and live stuff on the second. Riot act they did great with that, but again their terms.
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  • JP2026766
    JP2026766 Posts: 1,125
    pkh43 wrote:
    So many great songs that could've been hits left off each album. On purpose? To not be popular in the mainstream ? Hang onto their punk roots? Thinking too much?

    Yes, you're thinking too much.

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  • 12345AGNST1
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    pkh43 wrote:
    So many great songs that could've been hits left off each album. On purpose? To not be popular in the mainstream ? Hang onto their punk roots? Thinking too much?


    I think you read that in rolling stone. I remember in the 2006 article for PJ it mentions lost dogs having more poppy songs that the band didn't want on their albums.
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  • morgie2
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    pkh43 wrote:
    So many great songs that could've been hits left off each album. On purpose? To not be popular in the mainstream ? Hang onto their punk roots? Thinking too much?

    Wouldn't this be better described as Anti-careerism?
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  • Spot In The Sky
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    I was told from an inside source that they almost didnt release RVM on VS because it was too poppy, so it is/was something on their mind. After No Code I think that dropped, especially considering how poppy WWS is. And the original Light Years that leaked was changed to the one that appeared on the album because they felt that was too poppy as well. AAAND the original bushleaguer that has sung versus instead of spoken was too poppy for Ed so they released the spoken one instead.
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  • LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun
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    if i had a band, i would name it The Careerists. or has that been taken?
  • 2-feign-reluctance
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    i think the one that was leaked here in the last year or so wasn't supposed to include the "new jeremy" on it. it just doesn't fit.
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  • mdg164
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    I thought I read one time that they put some of the weirder songs on albums in an effort to curb their popularity. Since they were stuggling with fame. That is why some good songs were left over for lost dogs. Some songs on lost dogs are complete crap, so I think they were left off because of that.
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  • Blind3
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    Careerism? Putting out a cd without a radio or commercial hit is careerism? Man, I really must invest in a new dictionary.
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  • slightofjeff
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    Spot In The Sky wrote:
    I was told from an inside source that they almost didnt release RVM on VS because it was too poppy, so it is/was something on their mind. After No Code I think that dropped, especially considering how poppy WWS is. And the original Light Years that leaked was changed to the one that appeared on the album because they felt that was too poppy as well. AAAND the original bushleaguer that has sung versus instead of spoken was too poppy for Ed so they released the spoken one instead.

    Yeah, WWS sure is poppy. Every teenie bopper loves a song with a guy shrieking about a World Wide Suicide.

    WWS = not pop music. at all.
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  • nowayimfaithfull
    nowayimfaithfull Posts: 2,051
    I was t5old they worked rvm to the bone becasue it was an important song, its in one of the books. I also thinkl green dieseas is rvm part 2 as far as music.
    I dont think the argument on no code applies to what everyone misconstrudes.
    That album wasnt really much differant from vitalogy, it was the songs they chose to release, and the lack of solos in turn for some more off beat songs

    The argument for no code should be for binaurul.
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    they still had songs that were similiar to all of their previous albums, even yield had crunchy tunes brain of j, dte, in hiding, I thought binaurul lacked edge.
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  • decides2dream
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    Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:
    I don't think intentionally flying under the radar counts as careerism in the traditional sense. Careerism would've been endorsing a line of corduroy jackets to make sure they're in the money for another 25 years.

    But the songs that were on Lost Dogs were left off their respective albums because they didn't flow, in the band's opinion. And I think they flow pretty nicely together on Lost Dogs.:D


    perfect answer.


    i think the band had a particular sound/mood/atmosphere/flow...whatever you want to call it, in mind for each album. in their collective minds, these 'lost dogs' didn't quite *fit* with all that. it IS quite a testament to their collective talent that sooo many songs left off other albums are still soooo good! seriously, disc 2, first 7 songs in a row.....:eek: WHOA! fantastic! :D
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  • Ledbetterdays
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    I think they were also trying to make everyone happy by putting their stuff on the album. Dave Grohl said something along the lines of if there is not one boss in a band then the albums will always be less than their best--you can disagree with him or Foo quality but I think this has something to do with why things--especially in more recent albums did not make the cut. Since everyone is involved all the songs might not be the best but people may fight for a certain song or it being played a certain way. however, I think a lot of it is just Ed.
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  • MattyJoe
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    nowayimfaithfull wrote:
    Some people lose sight of what rock and roll used to be. It wasnt always about writing catch hits. Bands used to be able to do what they wanted in terms on releasing songs,, if they were radio friendly or not. It would have been considered the norm. Nowadays their are stricter rules to how a band has to operate.

    When was this? Music in America has always been hit-single-oriented even for people like Elvis. Sure, there have always been bands who have gone against the grain in protest, but the "recipe for success" according to corporate big shots has always been to write hit songs. However, bands like Pearl Jam and many others before (most prominently, Led Zeppelin) have proven that it's possible to attain great success and gain a huge loyal following without the commercialism.
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  • JordyWordy
    JordyWordy Posts: 2,261
    Yeah, i heard that Jeff, the bastard, was always a careerist.
    Are pearl jam even still around anyway?
    Jeremy was a good song though......

    really though, do they still make music?? i havnt seen a video of theirs in over a decade.


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    on a serious note, Rhinocerous's post was the correct answer

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