So many great songs that could've been hits left off each album. On purpose? To not be popular in the mainstream ? Hang onto their punk roots? Thinking too much?
I don't think intentionally flying under the radar counts as careerism in the traditional sense. Careerism would've been endorsing a line of corduroy jackets to make sure they're in the money for another 25 years.
But the songs that were on Lost Dogs were left off their respective albums because they didn't flow, in the band's opinion. And I think they flow pretty nicely together on Lost Dogs.:D
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Some people lose sight of what rock and roll used to be. It wasnt always about writing catch hits. Bands used to be able to do what they wanted in terms on releasing songs,, if they were radio friendly or not. It would have been considered the norm. Nowadays their are stricter rules to how a band has to operate.
Some people lose sight of what rock and roll used to be. It wasnt always about writing catch hits. Bands used to be able to do what they wanted in terms on releasing songs,, if they were radio friendly or not. It would have been considered the norm. Nowadays their are stricter rules to how a band has to operate.
I like this response (must be a south jersey thing ). I don't think they threw away songs that they knew were better than some making the albums. It just goes to show how fuckin' good they are that they take their "scraps" and throw em all together into an amazing compilation.
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I always thought one of the great things in the early days was knowing all the songs on the album and then finding a b-side on 1 of the singles and getting to know that song. I was sad that their weren't b-sides from self-titled (that we know of).
I like this response (must be a south jersey thing ). I don't think they threw away songs that they knew were better than some making the albums. It just goes to show how fuckin' good they are that they take their "scraps" and throw em all together into an amazing compilation.
More so they could have put more material on the records for the sake of having constant releases for songs. Like the chilli pepers do. The touring followers like us fans for pj, allow this band to operate on their terms. They work their ass off touring, I bet deep down they wished they could tour less at times, but they know if they keep touring we will follow., It has to take alot of pressure off their writing mainstream friendly songs. Unlike a band like stp, they know the more they tour the mored fucked up on drugs they get, so they put alot more emphasis on radio songs.
I always thought one of the great things in the early days was knowing all the songs on the album and then finding a b-side on 1 of the singles and getting to know that song. I was sad that their weren't b-sides from self-titled (that we know of).
Music has changed, there really wasnt for binaurul, the first 2 singles had insignifigance and live stuff on the second. Riot act they did great with that, but again their terms.
So many great songs that could've been hits left off each album. On purpose? To not be popular in the mainstream ? Hang onto their punk roots? Thinking too much?
So many great songs that could've been hits left off each album. On purpose? To not be popular in the mainstream ? Hang onto their punk roots? Thinking too much?
I think you read that in rolling stone. I remember in the 2006 article for PJ it mentions lost dogs having more poppy songs that the band didn't want on their albums.
So many great songs that could've been hits left off each album. On purpose? To not be popular in the mainstream ? Hang onto their punk roots? Thinking too much?
Wouldn't this be better described as Anti-careerism?
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I was told from an inside source that they almost didnt release RVM on VS because it was too poppy, so it is/was something on their mind. After No Code I think that dropped, especially considering how poppy WWS is. And the original Light Years that leaked was changed to the one that appeared on the album because they felt that was too poppy as well. AAAND the original bushleaguer that has sung versus instead of spoken was too poppy for Ed so they released the spoken one instead.
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I thought I read one time that they put some of the weirder songs on albums in an effort to curb their popularity. Since they were stuggling with fame. That is why some good songs were left over for lost dogs. Some songs on lost dogs are complete crap, so I think they were left off because of that.
I was told from an inside source that they almost didnt release RVM on VS because it was too poppy, so it is/was something on their mind. After No Code I think that dropped, especially considering how poppy WWS is. And the original Light Years that leaked was changed to the one that appeared on the album because they felt that was too poppy as well. AAAND the original bushleaguer that has sung versus instead of spoken was too poppy for Ed so they released the spoken one instead.
Yeah, WWS sure is poppy. Every teenie bopper loves a song with a guy shrieking about a World Wide Suicide.
WWS = not pop music. at all.
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I was t5old they worked rvm to the bone becasue it was an important song, its in one of the books. I also thinkl green dieseas is rvm part 2 as far as music.
I dont think the argument on no code applies to what everyone misconstrudes.
That album wasnt really much differant from vitalogy, it was the songs they chose to release, and the lack of solos in turn for some more off beat songs
The argument for no code should be for binaurul.
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they still had songs that were similiar to all of their previous albums, even yield had crunchy tunes brain of j, dte, in hiding, I thought binaurul lacked edge.
I don't think intentionally flying under the radar counts as careerism in the traditional sense. Careerism would've been endorsing a line of corduroy jackets to make sure they're in the money for another 25 years.
But the songs that were on Lost Dogs were left off their respective albums because they didn't flow, in the band's opinion. And I think they flow pretty nicely together on Lost Dogs.:D
perfect answer.
i think the band had a particular sound/mood/atmosphere/flow...whatever you want to call it, in mind for each album. in their collective minds, these 'lost dogs' didn't quite *fit* with all that. it IS quite a testament to their collective talent that sooo many songs left off other albums are still soooo good! seriously, disc 2, first 7 songs in a row.....:eek: WHOA! fantastic!
I think they were also trying to make everyone happy by putting their stuff on the album. Dave Grohl said something along the lines of if there is not one boss in a band then the albums will always be less than their best--you can disagree with him or Foo quality but I think this has something to do with why things--especially in more recent albums did not make the cut. Since everyone is involved all the songs might not be the best but people may fight for a certain song or it being played a certain way. however, I think a lot of it is just Ed.
Some people lose sight of what rock and roll used to be. It wasnt always about writing catch hits. Bands used to be able to do what they wanted in terms on releasing songs,, if they were radio friendly or not. It would have been considered the norm. Nowadays their are stricter rules to how a band has to operate.
When was this? Music in America has always been hit-single-oriented even for people like Elvis. Sure, there have always been bands who have gone against the grain in protest, but the "recipe for success" according to corporate big shots has always been to write hit songs. However, bands like Pearl Jam and many others before (most prominently, Led Zeppelin) have proven that it's possible to attain great success and gain a huge loyal following without the commercialism.
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So many great songs that could've been hits left off each album. On purpose? To not be popular in the mainstream ? Hang onto their punk roots? Thinking too much?
you don't seem to know the meaning of "careerism." It's defined as "pursuit of professional advancement as one's chief or sole aim." so what you're describing (not promoting possible hit songs) is the complete opposite of careerism
you don't seem to know the meaning of "careerism." It's defined as "pursuit of professional advancement as one's chief or sole aim." so what you're describing (not promoting possible hit songs) is the complete opposite of careerism
I keep hearing that Lost Dogs has all the poppy hits, I do not hear "singles" or hit songs on that album. It sounds like a collection of B-sides. Sad is catchy, but not a hit. Education,In the Moonlight,Hitchhiker,All Night,Strangest Tribe,Black Red Yellow and the like do sound like B-sides. Great fun songs to listen to, but not amazing.
The only songs that sound like album quality material are Sad and HTI. BTW I love Lost Dogs.
When was this? Music in America has always been hit-single-oriented even for people like Elvis. Sure, there have always been bands who have gone against the grain in protest, but the "recipe for success" according to corporate big shots has always been to write hit songs. However, bands like Pearl Jam and many others before (most prominently, Led Zeppelin) have proven that it's possible to attain great success and gain a huge loyal following without the commercialism.
When you mentioned zep, you answered your own question. Fuck Elvis.
im talking 1970 thru 85, as far as rock goes, that is why pearl jam is what they are, they follow those standards. Bands with substance that were cool.
Zeppelin, Doors, Yes, Ozzy / Sabbath, Jethro Tull, Springsteen, Rush, Ramones, Metalica, Motorhead, The Who, Moddy Blues, Rolling Stones, Iron Maiden, Pantera, soundgarden, Neil Young, Bowie, Kinks, Pink Floyd,Nirvana.Bob Dylan,
these groups are what they played in philly as pop, except for a year or two where they had these disco chanels that faded.
I am putting pearl jam in this class.
Hall of fame for all around best band, these groups did what they did and stayed in the mix even today, these groups draw numbers. Fuck pop tarts, sure these bands had their pop moments but it was not their evenflow.
So fuck when, its how and did. At least as far as Pearl Jam is concerned.
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But the songs that were on Lost Dogs were left off their respective albums because they didn't flow, in the band's opinion. And I think they flow pretty nicely together on Lost Dogs.:D
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I like this response (must be a south jersey thing
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More so they could have put more material on the records for the sake of having constant releases for songs. Like the chilli pepers do. The touring followers like us fans for pj, allow this band to operate on their terms. They work their ass off touring, I bet deep down they wished they could tour less at times, but they know if they keep touring we will follow., It has to take alot of pressure off their writing mainstream friendly songs. Unlike a band like stp, they know the more they tour the mored fucked up on drugs they get, so they put alot more emphasis on radio songs.
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Music has changed, there really wasnt for binaurul, the first 2 singles had insignifigance and live stuff on the second. Riot act they did great with that, but again their terms.
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I think you read that in rolling stone. I remember in the 2006 article for PJ it mentions lost dogs having more poppy songs that the band didn't want on their albums.
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Wouldn't this be better described as Anti-careerism?
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Yeah, WWS sure is poppy. Every teenie bopper loves a song with a guy shrieking about a World Wide Suicide.
WWS = not pop music. at all.
for the least they could possibly do
I dont think the argument on no code applies to what everyone misconstrudes.
That album wasnt really much differant from vitalogy, it was the songs they chose to release, and the lack of solos in turn for some more off beat songs
The argument for no code should be for binaurul.
No code has lukin
habbit
red mosquioto
hail hail
smile
they still had songs that were similiar to all of their previous albums, even yield had crunchy tunes brain of j, dte, in hiding, I thought binaurul lacked edge.
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perfect answer.
i think the band had a particular sound/mood/atmosphere/flow...whatever you want to call it, in mind for each album. in their collective minds, these 'lost dogs' didn't quite *fit* with all that. it IS quite a testament to their collective talent that sooo many songs left off other albums are still soooo good! seriously, disc 2, first 7 songs in a row.....:eek: WHOA! fantastic!
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When was this? Music in America has always been hit-single-oriented even for people like Elvis. Sure, there have always been bands who have gone against the grain in protest, but the "recipe for success" according to corporate big shots has always been to write hit songs. However, bands like Pearl Jam and many others before (most prominently, Led Zeppelin) have proven that it's possible to attain great success and gain a huge loyal following without the commercialism.
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Are pearl jam even still around anyway?
Jeremy was a good song though......
really though, do they still make music?? i havnt seen a video of theirs in over a decade.
......CAREERIST MY ARSE!!!!
on a serious note, Rhinocerous's post was the correct answer
you don't seem to know the meaning of "careerism." It's defined as "pursuit of professional advancement as one's chief or sole aim." so what you're describing (not promoting possible hit songs) is the complete opposite of careerism
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took you a while to look that up. douche bag
The only songs that sound like album quality material are Sad and HTI. BTW I love Lost Dogs.
You think it was an accident that it was the single released and had a video made for it? It was meant to be POPular.
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When you mentioned zep, you answered your own question. Fuck Elvis.
im talking 1970 thru 85, as far as rock goes, that is why pearl jam is what they are, they follow those standards. Bands with substance that were cool.
Zeppelin, Doors, Yes, Ozzy / Sabbath, Jethro Tull, Springsteen, Rush, Ramones, Metalica, Motorhead, The Who, Moddy Blues, Rolling Stones, Iron Maiden, Pantera, soundgarden, Neil Young, Bowie, Kinks, Pink Floyd,Nirvana.Bob Dylan,
these groups are what they played in philly as pop, except for a year or two where they had these disco chanels that faded.
I am putting pearl jam in this class.
Hall of fame for all around best band, these groups did what they did and stayed in the mix even today, these groups draw numbers. Fuck pop tarts, sure these bands had their pop moments but it was not their evenflow.
So fuck when, its how and did. At least as far as Pearl Jam is concerned.
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