Chris Cornell - Long Gone

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  • Kilgore_Trout
    Kilgore_Trout Posts: 7,334
    FollowMyWay wrote:
    They need each other, Kim can't sing, lol.
    id rather listen to a kim solo album than a chris solo album right about now :D
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  • FollowMyWay
    FollowMyWay Posts: 42
    sgossard3 wrote:
    id rather listen to a kim solo album than a chris solo album right about now :D

    A Kim solo album would be great, I'd wish he'd do something soon.
  • corduroy85
    corduroy85 Posts: 139
    muppet wrote:
    I think Kim Thayil wrote those lyrics

    Whilst Matt wrote music...

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  • master/slave
    master/slave Posts: 14
    i love this forum!!! i lurk around alot n never really post but still . the people here are pretty nice from what i have read. the chris place is not that cool anymore b/c all the cool people are leaving and yea all that shhhtuff...lol . i have to admit the new album is not a piece of shit. but to be honest its not a gem either. ok this is my experience. i first listened to the songs and i was like "wtf!!! this musics giving me diarrhea!" ive been taking speech at summer skool n they talked bout culture shock. n thats kinda wat happened to me. first i was SHOCKED lol... yea after a while i was like "hmmmm was it really THAT bad???" and it was,that time i think blood came out ;) , but that was because i very into superUnk at the time. after a few days I chilled out and took another listen and YAY! no bowel movements.. but seriously.. the songs ive heard have grown on me a little and theyre ok to listen to . these songs dont give me that burst of energy like seasons or anything but theyre ok. i mean there are songs that if i hear them , i want to shoot my brains out and these arent like that. obviously not top cornell material. i like carry on better.. but this record isnt that bad as people make it out to be. i kinda like some of the stuff and sometimes i find the tunes stuck in my head lol. ima wait til the record comes out tho cuz it might be better if listened to it as a whole. also i dont like those ppl at the chris forum because they think everything is perfect on scream and the new chris. its Annoying. they sound like sheep! baaaaah lol. i like the new album but come on guys no need to be mindless its not perfect.(i like scream its cool, superunknown i LOVE and its like an orgy for my ear or somethinglol) when he said he was going for RnB i thought of something like Lenny Kravitz for some reason n i thought that would be pretty awesome. but hey its still cool. i kinda see this timbaland thing as sorta a side project from his solo career if that is even possible. sorry guys this post is so long . its just im kinda confused about this new cd. i find it a love hate kinda deal sometimes. also i feel like i can truely express myself here without being treated like a traitor or some kind of bad person.
  • beachdweller
    beachdweller Posts: 1,532
    studio version is better than live, just saw him sing it on Leno, and it wasn't very polished.
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  • tknauer
    tknauer Posts: 5
    sgossard3 wrote:
    no kidding... it wasnt that long ago that things were beginning to look MORE hopeful... i was seriously thinking his live shows last tour would be an indication of some rockin shit on his next album... his voice sounds better than ever... he was working in SG rarities like he actually gave a shit about his long time fans... and they sounded damn good and actually worked with everything else in his set! now hes dropping those to replace them with his new SHIT

    The response to my review has been mostly defensive -- i.e., "Cornell's just trying something new; he's an AWESOME performer still, so, come on, cut him some slack." Personally, I refuse. Carry On was trying enough, though I've grown to like some of it for its relative sincerity. This new shit is borderline unbearable, like having your parents, held under gunpoint, tell you they don't love you anymore. Anyone who insists on believing this new project is just a matter of Cornell being "bored" or whatever is legitimately delusional and should appropriately hold little weight to their arguments otherwise.

    For the record, this is what clarefromscotland (a recent punching bag in this thread) offered from my post:

    "So it's all for the cash, is it? And you know this.....how? How do you know he isn't just bored? He's a creative, intelligent man and he's often talked about needing to make frequent changes and try different things musically rather than get "stuck in a corner". It's interesting that a lot of this adverse criticism is coming from people on the Pearl Jam forum - they're a great band but they've been making approximately the same sound for about 18 years. I got bored with it years back, but I'm not going to go over there and whine about it. It's plainly what makes sense to them, so I wish them joy.

    "Perhaps you're too young to remember, which is nobody's fault (not even the Romans) but CC's been called a sellout at regular intervals ever since he signed to a major to record SG's second album. I imagine it's water off a duck's back."

    In my opinion, this new venture is wholly incomparable to "Louder Than Love," or whatever Clare is referencing. The key difference here is the overall sound -- which, on the whole, is sorely lacking compared to even the worst tracks Cornell has managed to record. To be fair, we haven't heard the whole album. But what's been released so far is plenty to indicate that Cornell has surrendered too much responsibility -- and, accordingly, credibility -- for the final product, which makes him an out-and-out sellout, as far as I'm concerned. What a way to tarnish a legacy.
  • tknauer
    tknauer Posts: 5
    sgossard3 wrote:
    no kidding... it wasnt that long ago that things were beginning to look MORE hopeful... i was seriously thinking his live shows last tour would be an indication of some rockin shit on his next album... his voice sounds better than ever... he was working in SG rarities like he actually gave a shit about his long time fans... and they sounded damn good and actually worked with everything else in his set! now hes dropping those to replace them with his new SHIT

    The response to my review has been mostly defensive -- i.e., "Cornell's just trying something new; he's an AWESOME performer still, so, come on, cut him some slack." Personally, I refuse. Carry On was trying enough, though I've grown to like some of it for its relative sincerity. This new shit is borderline unbearable, like having your parents, held under gunpoint, tell you they don't love you anymore. Anyone who insists on believing this new project is just a matter of Cornell being "bored" or whatever is legitimately delusional and should appropriately hold little weight to their arguments otherwise.

    For the record, this is what clarefromscotland (a recent punching bag in this thread) offered from my post:

    "So it's all for the cash, is it? And you know this.....how? How do you know he isn't just bored? He's a creative, intelligent man and he's often talked about needing to make frequent changes and try different things musically rather than get "stuck in a corner". It's interesting that a lot of this adverse criticism is coming from people on the Pearl Jam forum - they're a great band but they've been making approximately the same sound for about 18 years. I got bored with it years back, but I'm not going to go over there and whine about it. It's plainly what makes sense to them, so I wish them joy.

    "Perhaps you're too young to remember, which is nobody's fault (not even the Romans) but CC's been called a sellout at regular intervals ever since he signed to a major to record SG's second album. I imagine it's water off a duck's back."

    In my opinion, this new venture is wholly incomparable to "Louder Than Love," or whatever Clare is referencing. The key difference here is the overall sound -- which, on the whole, is sorely lacking compared to even the worst tracks Cornell has managed to record. To be fair, we haven't heard the whole album. But what's been released so far is plenty to indicate that Cornell has surrendered too much responsibility -- and, accordingly, credibility -- for the final product, which makes him an out-and-out sellout, as far as I'm concerned. What a way to tarnish a legacy.
  • tknauer
    tknauer Posts: 5
    This is what I just posted in response to clarefromscotland's post on a different thread:

    ***

    Clare:

    "If you don't like it - hell, don't buy it!!!! No-one's forcing you. Expecting every album he makes to be tailored to your personal tastes is totally unrealistic. You can make music on any damn box of tricks, whether it's made out of wire and wood or electronic circuitry. There are no such things as "real" or "fake" instruments. Jesus, how limiting and restrictive an idea is that?

    Does no-one see the irony implicit in people screaming about so-called "censorship" and "freedom of expression" when all they want to do themselves is censor and restrict what Chris does with his own musical talent? What about his freedom of expression, then?

    ***

    Me:

    "This is a totally bogus argument. The fact is, we fans have no influence whatsoever on what Cornell records -- now or ever. Cornell doesn't give a shit about what we think; the true fallacy is we actually think we matter. Cornell is going to do whatever he wants, and our only (sorely inadequate) role is to either approve or disapprove of the final product, an exercise that means nothing in the end. The more we insist on being relevant, the more we insist on being disappointed. Cornell is utterly blind to our preferences; he's already got so many of us hooked on and unquestioning of his exploits that it matters quite little whether he creates anything close to resembling a Superunknown, or anything comparable. We are unseeming pawns in his perpetual stroking of ego."

    Sorry from the earlier double-post. I'm still getting used to the way things work around here.
  • Marie Curie
    Marie Curie Posts: 1,250
    tknauer wrote:
    It's interesting that a lot of this adverse criticism is coming from people on the Pearl Jam forum - they're a great band but they've been making approximately the same sound for about 18 years. I got bored with it years back, but I'm not going to go over there and whine about it. It's plainly what makes sense to them, so I wish them joy.

    Right, all the bad criticism is only coming from us, close-minded PJ fans...hilarious. Clare should start visiting other forums. Maybe I should make a list of links?
    Oh wait, it doesn't matter, they can only censor the CC board...
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    Fyodor Dostoyevsky
  • Rhinocerous Surprise
    Rhinocerous Surprise Posts: 4,423
    Marie Curie wrote:
    Right, all the bad criticism is only coming from us, close-minded PJ fans...hilarious. Clare should start visiting other forums. Maybe I should make a list of links?
    Oh wait, it doesn't matter, they can only censor the CC board...
    And as if people on the PJ boards only listen to Pearl Jam. I mean, Clare's a member here. She's posted - predominantly, I think - in the Other Music forum. Does she not realise that we listen to music outside of grunge and the associated bands/solo projects?
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  • corduroy85
    corduroy85 Posts: 139
    Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:
    And as if people on the PJ boards only listen to Pearl Jam. I mean, Clare's a member here. She's posted - predominantly, I think - in the Other Music forum. Does she not realise that we listen to music outside of grunge and the associated bands/solo projects?

    Apparently, her mind has been shadowed by the fact that Cornell is shirtless now which is why she can not evaluate the crappyness level of his new direction objectively.
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  • Rhinocerous Surprise
    Rhinocerous Surprise Posts: 4,423
    Well, that's disappointing. I was hoping the cleanly-recorded live version of Long Gone from Leno would let me see the song works once you separate it from the Timba-beats.

    It didn't. :( Very average song.
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  • muppet
    muppet Posts: 980
    Pearl Jam aren't the most adventerous of bands but I don't think they've had the same sound for 18 years. No Code is the most obvious example, but just look at their previous three records - Binaural, Riot Act, Pearl Jam. Yes, they're all in the confindes of rock but within that you've got pyschedelic, punk, sometimes even folk. There's a fine line between "experimenting" (which, btw, does not neccesairly mean an indication of actually, you know, good music) and completely changing genres to try and court a new audience.

    This isn't even a gradual change, really. I know they've been hints of RnB here and there, but to go from three full blown rock records in the space of 2005-2007 to a contemporary* RnB sound in 2008 is slightly jarring.

    *Cornell has mentioned his love for soul singers like Al Green and Otis Redding. So why is he wasting his time with contemporary RnB, with it's going-to-be-dated synths and tinny drum machines? :p
  • teskeinc
    teskeinc Posts: 1,784
    Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:
    Well, that's disappointing. I was hoping the cleanly-recorded live version of Long Gone from Leno would let me see the song works once you separate it from the Timba-beats.

    It didn't. :( Very average song.
    man , very generous with your average rating , my rating is in the sucks balls area
  • PJSEMPRE
    PJSEMPRE Posts: 687
    tknauer wrote:
    "So it's all for the cash, is it? And you know this.....how? How do you know he isn't just bored? He's a creative, intelligent man and he's often talked about needing to make frequent changes and try different things musically rather than get "stuck in a corner". It's interesting that a lot of this adverse criticism is coming from people on the Pearl Jam forum - they're a great band but they've been making approximately the same sound for about 18 years. I got bored with it years back, but I'm not going to go over there and whine about it. It's plainly what makes sense to them, so I wish them joy.

    Funny.
    She has always written good things about Pearl Jam/Eddie Vedder. "Suddenly" they are a "boring, repetitive band".
    Yes, Chris has changed. A change for the worse.
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  • CCRefugee
    CCRefugee Posts: 76
    Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:
    And as if people on the PJ boards only listen to Pearl Jam. I mean, Clare's a member here. She's posted - predominantly, I think - in the Other Music forum. Does she not realise that we listen to music outside of grunge and the associated bands/solo projects?

    Ah, it's not worth the effort. She's either in a gigantic state of denial or dense.

    I would go out on a limb (lol) and say that the people in this forum have much more exposure to music than the ones in the CC forum. Most of them didn't even know who Timbaland is. Maybe I had alot of friends that listened
    to that and forced me to, by default, but I don't understand how you can be a fan of music and not know who Timbaland is. You'd have to at least run into him by accident flipping through radio stations.

    lol, they also bit on an onion article that said Soundgarden ran into each other at a Cinnabon in Seattle. The only believable part of that article was Kim working the stand as a supervisor.

    But, but to Clare, obviously, we're all rock dinosaurs that want to listen to dropped power chords and screaming, and don't forget the feedback. We don't have the ability to grow with CC as he takes these brave steps to finally legitimatize himself as a musical genius.
  • Marie Curie
    Marie Curie Posts: 1,250
    CCRefugee wrote:
    Ah, it's not worth the effort. She's either in a gigantic state of denial or dense.

    I would go out on a limb (lol) and say that the people in this forum have much more exposure to music than the ones in the CC forum. Most of them didn't even know who Timbaland is. Maybe I had alot of friends that listened
    to that and forced me to, by default, but I don't understand how you can be a fan of music and not know who Timbaland is. You'd have to at least run into him by accident flipping through radio stations.

    lol, they also bit on an onion article that said Soundgarden ran into each other at a Cinnabon in Seattle. The only believable part of that article was Kim working the stand as a supervisor.

    But, but to Clare, obviously, we're all rock dinosaurs that want to listen to dropped power chords and screaming, and don't forget the feedback. We don't have the ability to grow with CC as he takes these brave steps to finally legitimatize himself as a musical genius.

    I can't believe that there's people who never heard of Timbaland. Everytime I put on MTV, I see his face. He's everywhere! This guy represents everything that's wrong with the music business theses days
    “Life is life everywhere. Life is in ourselves and not outside us. There will be men beside me, and the important thing is to be a man among men and to remain a man always, whatever the misfortunes, not to despair and not to fall - that is the aim of life, that is its purpose.”
    Fyodor Dostoyevsky
  • PJSEMPRE
    PJSEMPRE Posts: 687
    Marie Curie wrote:
    I can't believe that there's people who never heard of Timbaland. Everytime I put on MTV, I see his face. He's everywhere! This guy represents everything that's wrong with the music business theses days

    Agree with you.
    Let's say knowledge is a tree, yeah.
    It's growing up just like me.
  • teskeinc
    teskeinc Posts: 1,784
    Marie Curie wrote:
    I can't believe that there's people who never heard of Timbaland. Everytime I put on MTV, I see his face. He's everywhere! This guy represents everything that's wrong with the music business theses days
    there are 4 or 5 people on the Chris Cornell board that if Chris killed a classroom full of kids , would chastise you for not allowing Chris self-expression. If you disagreed with them , you would be banned. Sad.
  • Rhinocerous Surprise
    Rhinocerous Surprise Posts: 4,423
    teskeinc wrote:
    there are 4 or 5 people on the Chris Cornell board that if Chris killed a classroom full of kids , would chastise you for not allowing Chris self-expression. If you disagreed with them , you would be banned. Sad.
    "You're just closed-minded! Just because Pearl Jam never shot up a classroom full of kids, you think Chris Cornell can't experiment with homicide instead of boring old rock music! You're not even a real fan."
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