AC/DC shirts and African Americans

dharma69 · August 2008

Indian Summer wrote:

No its not. Don't kid yourself.

Black people may not fill the rafters at an Iron Maiden show but rock comes in so many forms and lots like it just fine.

So I'm not kidding you or anyone else. Thanks for caring.

Jeremy1012 · August 2008

Why shouldn't a black person listen to AC/DC or wear their t-shirts?

It may not be common to find a black AC/DC fan but there's no reason why their shouldn't be some.

I guess I'll have to take my John Coltrane poster off my wall lest a black person sees it :eek: :rolleyes:

Jeremy1012 · August 2008

Indian Summer wrote:

jamaican's listen too good music though. African Americans do not though.

I'd imagine you'd kill for this man's record collection, assuming you have even a modicum of good taste.

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TheDecline13 · August 2008

this thread is racist as shit!

NAZI'S!

Jeremy1012 · August 2008

TheDecline13 wrote:

this thread is racist as shit!

NAZI'S!

Calm down. No one here is a nazi, they just have some slightly ignorant views.

bovy_j · August 2008

I just don't see why this thread is still up? I'm usually not for the mods locking many threads, but this one should be locked. All it is is pure ignorance. It doesn't matter what 'color' you are? It's fuckin' rock and roll. Enjoy it. Why does it matter who wears a shirt?

carolinabeerguy · August 2008

I don't see the harm in the way this thread was started/intended. Sure, the way things were asked were a little offensive to some but I think the intent was pure curiosity. It isn't the norm to see black people in hard rock t-shirts. Nothing wrong with it. I just think it TYPICALLY is a fashion choice for a lot of people these days not a statement of appreciation for a certain band.

who's_pearljam? · August 2008

blondieblue227 wrote:

I’ve seen a lot…I mean a lot of black people wearing AC/DC shirts. What’s up with that?
I never ask them face to face but I should huh?

ok, they could just be fans but i doubt it because i've seen so many. even a 12 year old little girl.

Nothing wrong with asking a question!
I see the shirts all over here and I live in a mixed, mostly black neighborhood and most of my friends here are black/ African American / Jamaican here.
It's a fashion statement with a lot of kids. The shirts are cheap, and urban chic, black and white, or whatever culture. Some people who wear the Dark Side of the Moon shirts know who Pink Floyd is, for instance, and some don't. This little Dominican kid up the street is my buddy and always has a Jimi Hendrix shirt on and they have no idea who he is.

I was wondering that for a while, I now know the answer because I saw this thread and went outside and just asked a couple of my neighbors who Pink Floyd is, and they have no idea, but the their kids have the shirts on.

Actually one gal has a Big Brother and the Holding Company shirt all the time. The picture on the shirt's not Janis Joplin. It looks kind of like Pat Benatar!
I just wonder who gets the royalties for the shirts?

I don't think it's a racist question. I think of the word "racist" as thinking that one race is superior to the other, or if one race discriminates against another race. There should be nothing wrong with asking questions about cultural or racial things.
Learning can be a wonderful thing.

g under p · August 2008

bovy_j wrote:

I just don't see why this thread is still up? I'm usually not for the mods locking many threads, but this one should be locked. All it is is pure ignorance. It doesn't matter what 'color' you are? It's fuckin' rock and roll. Enjoy it. Why does it matter who wears a shirt?

Well for some people their ignorance on stereotypes has to be addressed. Sometimes this the only we can clear up some of our differences on this planet.

Peace

g under p · August 2008

Indian Summer wrote:

jamaican's listen too good music though. African Americans do not though.

Not what sense does this make, you make this appear that these are two different races or that you can tell a Jamaican from an African American.

I was born in Kingston, Jamaica grew up in Boston MA and I listen to Rock, Heavy Metal, Reggae and some Hip Hop/Rap which I mostly dance to in clubs. My girlfriend who is a red headed Irish lady knows more Rap/Hip Hop than most black peeps or anybody else for that matter. Rappers I've never ever heard of mostly cause she loves to dance in the clubs.

So let's breakdown these stereotypes cause peeps regardless of race can and will listen to whatever kinds of music that makes the happy.

Peace

g under p · August 2008

who's_pearljam? wrote:

Nothing wrong with asking a question!
I see the shirts all over here and I live in a mixed, mostly black neighborhood and most of my friends here are black/ African American / Jamaican here.
It's a fashion statement with a lot of kids. The shirts are cheap, and urban chic, black and white, or whatever culture. Some people who wear the Dark Side of the Moon shirts know who Pink Floyd is, for instance, and some don't. This little Dominican kid up the street is my buddy and always has a Jimi Hendrix shirt on and they have no idea who he is.

I was wondering that for a while, I now know the answer because I saw this thread and went outside and just asked a couple of my neighbors who Pink Floyd is, and they have no idea, but the their kids have the shirts on.
Actually one gal has a Big Brother and the Holding Company shirt all the time. The picture on the shirt's not Janis Joplin. It looks kind of like Pat Benatar!
I just wonder who gets the royalties for the shirts?

I don't think it's a racist question. I think of the word "racist" as thinking that one race is superior to the other, or if one race discriminates against another race. There should be nothing wrong with asking questions about cultural or racial things.
Learning can be a wonderful thing.

Not necessarily in the case of Pink Floyd, maybe they like the name Pink Floyd and the history behind the name of this band which I love also. Maybe they liked the men Pink Anderson and Floyd Council both blues musicians who happen to be both black. Even some white fans of the band have no clue where or why that Pink Floyd name was created from or they could just like DSOTM because of the color of the shirt.

Sometimes we just make too many assumptions about people cause we come in all colors, sizes, likes and dislikes in the music that we all love.

Peace

who's_pearljam? · August 2008

g under p wrote:

Not necessarily in the case of Pink Floyd, maybe they like the name Pink Floyd and the history behind the name of this band which I love also. Maybe they liked the men Pink Anderson and Floyd Council both blues musicians who happen to be both black. Even some white fans of the band have no clue where or why that Pink Floyd name was created from or they could just like DSOTM because of the color of the shirt.

Sometimes we just make too many assumptions about people cause we come in all colors, sizes, likes and dislikes in the music that we all love.

Peace

So let's breakdown these stereotypes cause peeps regardless of race can and will listen to whatever kinds of music that makes the happy.

:cool:

I would say most white fans don't know that. As a matter of fact, I think you and I may be two of 7 people on the planet who know Pink Anderson and Floyd Council were Pink Floyd!

Well, ok, 13 people if you count the guys in Pink Floyd.

I agree with you and it's so easy for people to make assumptions about others, whether it be music, politics, race, gender and pretty much everything else in life. We're all probably guilty of that somehow, to some degree, including myself, and asking questions and talking about it is the way to help learn!

Peace
What a great word, G under P

Also, the gal I'm seeing is from Kingston Jamaica, too. Its funny. My default artist to put on is Bob Marley, and hers is usually Guns and Roses or The Stones.

NewDamage · August 2008

dharma69 wrote:

Hate to break it to you but it's it's just as common as white people liking R&B. Seriously.

I think that's quite a stretch. I personally don't care who listens to what, but when you see something out of the ordinary (black man that my friend and I saw wearing a Pantera shirt, for example), you will look twice. Anyone who says otherwise is just trying to sound PC as hell for the sake of sounding PC, and is lying to themselves. It doesn't make you racist or ignorant to make an observation that is just plain obvious

Again I did not say there was anything wrong with any race of people wearing or listening to anything they want. But to say there are as many black people listening to hard rock/metal as there are white people into r&b/rap is not accurate

dharma69 · August 2008

NewDamage wrote:

I think that's quite a stretch. I personally don't care who listens to what, but when you see something out of the ordinary (black man that my friend and I saw wearing a Pantera shirt, for example), you will look twice. Anyone who says otherwise is just trying to sound PC as hell for the sake of sounding PC, and is lying to themselves. It doesn't make you racist or ignorant to make an observation that is just plain obvious

Again I did not say there was anything wrong with any race of people wearing or listening to anything they want. But to say there are as many black people listening to hard rock/metal as there are white people into r&b/rap is not accurate

This part of the conversation didn't break the music down into sub-genres; hard rock, metal, speed metal, adult contemporary, soft rock or anything like that. I just said "rock" which takes many forms and allows a listener to pick and choose the one that moves them. So my statement still stands and is valid and is not a stretch at all.

g under p · August 2008

who's_pearljam? wrote:

:cool:

I would say most white fans don't know that. As a matter of fact, I think you and I may be two of 7 people on the planet who know Pink Anderson and Floyd Council were Pink Floyd!

Well, ok, 13 people if you count the guys in Pink Floyd.

I agree with you and it's so easy for people to make assumptions about others, whether it be music, politics, race, gender and pretty much everything else in life. We're all probably guilty of that somehow, to some degree, including myself, and asking questions and talking about it is the way to help learn!

Peace
What a great word, G under P

Also, the gal I'm seeing is from Kingston Jamaica, too. Its funny. My default artist to put on is Bob Marley, and hers is usually Guns and Roses or The Stones.

Great observation, the g under p stands for *Grace Under Pressure* my favorite RUSH album and my first RUSH concert and lots more to the phrase but not much time here to explain.

Not that's funny about your friend. I my case my lady will see in concert Acon is it or Jay Z and Mary J Blige while I'll go and see Rush, The Who or Joe Satriani. Also I think I have one B. Marley t-shirt but many Ziggy Marley ones.

That's pretty good.

Peace

NewDamage · August 2008

dharma69 wrote:

This part of the conversation didn't break the music down into sub-genres; hard rock, metal, speed metal, adult contemporary, soft rock or anything like that. I just said "rock" which takes many forms and allows a listener to pick and choose the one that moves them. So my statement still stands and is valid and is not a stretch at all.

Fair enough, but this thread originated from black people wearing AC/DC shirts. They are a hard rock band. My buddy, who is black, thought it was weird as all hell for a black man to be wearing a Pantera shirt. They are a metal band. I realize this emphasizes clothing too much, and that's not necessarily a basis in determining what is actually being listened to. I'm sure many soft rock artists have black fans. I just don't think its so prevalent in the heavier forms of rock, as was the basis for this thread

g under p · August 2008

NewDamage wrote:

I think that's quite a stretch. I personally don't care who listens to what, but when you see something out of the ordinary (black man that my friend and I saw wearing a Pantera shirt, for example), you will look twice. Anyone who says otherwise is just trying to sound PC as hell for the sake of sounding PC, and is lying to themselves. It doesn't make you racist or ignorant to make an observation that is just plain obvious

Again I did not say there was anything wrong with any race of people wearing or listening to anything they want. But to say there are as many black people listening to hard rock/metal as there are white people into r&b/rap is not accurate

Who in a rational mindset would think as many people listening to hard rock/metal as they're white people into r&b? I think what was being said there was that SOME white folks listen to r&b also along with their love for ALL forms of rock music too.

Peace

fanch75 · August 2008

DeetroitBaasketball wrote:

Glad you said this. "OH, one of 'them', let me cue up all my stereotypes about 'those' people..."

Stuff White People Like
#101 Being Offended
May 28, 2008 by clander

To be offended is usually a rather unpleasant experience, one that can expose a person to intolerance, cultural misunderstandings, and even evoke the scars of the past. This is such an unpleasant experience that many people develop a thick skin and try to only be offended in the most egregious and awful situations. In many circumstances, they can allow smaller offenses to slip by as fighting them is a waste of time and energy. But white people, blessed with both time and energy, are not these kind of people. In fact there are few things white people love more than being offended.

Naturally, white people do not get offended by statements directed at white people. In fact, they don’t even have a problem making offensive statements about other white people (ask a white person about “flyover states”). As a rule, white people strongly prefer to get offended on behalf of other people.

It is also valuable to know that white people spend a significant portion of their time preparing for the moment when they will be offended. They read magazines, books, and watch documentaries all in hopes that one day they will encounter a person who will say something offensive. When this happens, they can leap into action with quotes, statistics, and historical examples. Once they have finished lecturing another white person about how it’s wrong to use the term “black” instead of “African-American,” they can sit back and relax in the knowledge that they have made a difference.

White people also get excited at the opportunity to be offended at things that are sexist and/or homophobic. Both cases offering ample opportunities for lectures, complaints, graduate classes, lengthy discussions and workshops. All of which do an excellent job of raising awareness among white people who hope to change their status from “not racist” to “super not racist.”

Another thing worth noting is that the threshold for being offended is a very important tool for judging and ranking white people. Missing an opportunity to be outraged is like missing a reference to Derrida-it’s social death.

If you ever need to make a white person feel indebted to you, wait for them to mention a book, film, or television show that features a character who is the same race as you, then say “the representation of <insert race> was offensive and if you can’t see that, well, you need to do some soul searching.” After they return from their hastily booked trip to land of your ancestors, they will be desperate to make it up to you. At this point, it is acceptable to ask them to help you paint your house.

fanch75 · August 2008

NewDamage wrote:

Fair enough, but this thread originated from black people wearing AC/DC shirts. They are a hard rock band. My buddy, who is black, thought it was weird as all hell for a black man to be wearing a Pantera shirt. They are a metal band. I realize this emphasizes clothing too much, and that's not necessarily a basis in determining what is actually being listened to. I'm sure many soft rock artists have black fans. I just don't think its so prevalent in the heavier forms of rock, as was the basis for this thread

Common sense post. Everyone is so eager to be offended so they can look like they are advanced & sensitive (see my post above this one).

g under p · August 2008

NewDamage wrote:

Fair enough, but this thread originated from black people wearing AC/DC shirts. They are a hard rock band. My buddy, who is black, thought it was weird as all hell for a black man to be wearing a Pantera shirt. They are a metal band. I realize this emphasizes clothing too much, and that's not necessarily a basis in determining what is actually being listened to. I'm sure many soft rock artists have black fans. I just don't think its so prevalent in the heavier forms of rock, as was the basis for this thread

I love that Pantera song WALK Live the furosity is awesome. *Re-Spect, Walk, what did you say? Re-Spect....are you talking to me, Are You Talking To ME?*

Peace

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