Nothing wrong with asking a question!
I see the shirts all over here and I live in a mixed, mostly black neighborhood and most of my friends here are black/ African American / Jamaican here. It's a fashion statement with a lot of kids. The shirts are cheap, and urban chic, black and white, or whatever culture. Some people who wear the Dark Side of the Moon shirts know who Pink Floyd is, for instance, and some don't. This little Dominican kid up the street is my buddy and always has a Jimi Hendrix shirt on and they have no idea who he is.
I was wondering that for a while, I now know the answer because I saw this thread and went outside and just asked a couple of my neighbors who Pink Floyd is, and they have no idea, but the their kids have the shirts on.
Actually one gal has a Big Brother and the Holding Company shirt all the time. The picture on the shirt's not Janis Joplin. It looks kind of like Pat Benatar!
I just wonder who gets the royalties for the shirts?
I don't think it's a racist question. I think of the word "racist" as thinking that one race is superior to the other, or if one race discriminates against another race. There should be nothing wrong with asking questions about cultural or racial things.
Learning can be a wonderful thing.
Not necessarily in the case of Pink Floyd, maybe they like the name Pink Floyd and the history behind the name of this band which I love also. Maybe they liked the men Pink Anderson and Floyd Council both blues musicians who happen to be both black. Even some white fans of the band have no clue where or why that Pink Floyd name was created from or they could just like DSOTM because of the color of the shirt.
Sometimes we just make too many assumptions about people cause we come in all colors, sizes, likes and dislikes in the music that we all love.
Peace
*We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
Not necessarily in the case of Pink Floyd, maybe they like the name Pink Floyd and the history behind the name of this band which I love also. Maybe they liked the men Pink Anderson and Floyd Council both blues musicians who happen to be both black. Even some white fans of the band have no clue where or why that Pink Floyd name was created from or they could just like DSOTM because of the color of the shirt.
Sometimes we just make too many assumptions about people cause we come in all colors, sizes, likes and dislikes in the music that we all love.
Peace
So let's breakdown these stereotypes cause peeps regardless of race can and will listen to whatever kinds of music that makes the happy.
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I would say most white fans don't know that. As a matter of fact, I think you and I may be two of 7 people on the planet who know Pink Anderson and Floyd Council were Pink Floyd!
Well, ok, 13 people if you count the guys in Pink Floyd.
I agree with you and it's so easy for people to make assumptions about others, whether it be music, politics, race, gender and pretty much everything else in life. We're all probably guilty of that somehow, to some degree, including myself, and asking questions and talking about it is the way to help learn!
Peace
What a great word, G under P
Also, the gal I'm seeing is from Kingston Jamaica, too. Its funny. My default artist to put on is Bob Marley, and hers is usually Guns and Roses or The Stones.
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Don't be mankind. ~Captain Beefheart
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Hate to break it to you but it's it's just as common as white people liking R&B. Seriously.
I think that's quite a stretch. I personally don't care who listens to what, but when you see something out of the ordinary (black man that my friend and I saw wearing a Pantera shirt, for example), you will look twice. Anyone who says otherwise is just trying to sound PC as hell for the sake of sounding PC, and is lying to themselves. It doesn't make you racist or ignorant to make an observation that is just plain obvious
Again I did not say there was anything wrong with any race of people wearing or listening to anything they want. But to say there are as many black people listening to hard rock/metal as there are white people into r&b/rap is not accurate
I think that's quite a stretch. I personally don't care who listens to what, but when you see something out of the ordinary (black man that my friend and I saw wearing a Pantera shirt, for example), you will look twice. Anyone who says otherwise is just trying to sound PC as hell for the sake of sounding PC, and is lying to themselves. It doesn't make you racist or ignorant to make an observation that is just plain obvious
Again I did not say there was anything wrong with any race of people wearing or listening to anything they want. But to say there are as many black people listening to hard rock/metal as there are white people into r&b/rap is not accurate
This part of the conversation didn't break the music down into sub-genres; hard rock, metal, speed metal, adult contemporary, soft rock or anything like that. I just said "rock" which takes many forms and allows a listener to pick and choose the one that moves them. So my statement still stands and is valid and is not a stretch at all.
I would say most white fans don't know that. As a matter of fact, I think you and I may be two of 7 people on the planet who know Pink Anderson and Floyd Council were Pink Floyd!
Well, ok, 13 people if you count the guys in Pink Floyd.
I agree with you and it's so easy for people to make assumptions about others, whether it be music, politics, race, gender and pretty much everything else in life. We're all probably guilty of that somehow, to some degree, including myself, and asking questions and talking about it is the way to help learn!
Peace
What a great word, G under P
Also, the gal I'm seeing is from Kingston Jamaica, too. Its funny. My default artist to put on is Bob Marley, and hers is usually Guns and Roses or The Stones.
Great observation, the g under p stands for *Grace Under Pressure* my favorite RUSH album and my first RUSH concert and lots more to the phrase but not much time here to explain.
Not that's funny about your friend. I my case my lady will see in concert Acon is it or Jay Z and Mary J Blige while I'll go and see Rush, The Who or Joe Satriani. Also I think I have one B. Marley t-shirt but many Ziggy Marley ones. That's pretty good.
Peace
*We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
This part of the conversation didn't break the music down into sub-genres; hard rock, metal, speed metal, adult contemporary, soft rock or anything like that. I just said "rock" which takes many forms and allows a listener to pick and choose the one that moves them. So my statement still stands and is valid and is not a stretch at all.
Fair enough, but this thread originated from black people wearing AC/DC shirts. They are a hard rock band. My buddy, who is black, thought it was weird as all hell for a black man to be wearing a Pantera shirt. They are a metal band. I realize this emphasizes clothing too much, and that's not necessarily a basis in determining what is actually being listened to. I'm sure many soft rock artists have black fans. I just don't think its so prevalent in the heavier forms of rock, as was the basis for this thread
I think that's quite a stretch. I personally don't care who listens to what, but when you see something out of the ordinary (black man that my friend and I saw wearing a Pantera shirt, for example), you will look twice. Anyone who says otherwise is just trying to sound PC as hell for the sake of sounding PC, and is lying to themselves. It doesn't make you racist or ignorant to make an observation that is just plain obvious
Again I did not say there was anything wrong with any race of people wearing or listening to anything they want. But to say there are as many black people listening to hard rock/metal as there are white people into r&b/rap is not accurate
Who in a rational mindset would think as many people listening to hard rock/metal as they're white people into r&b? I think what was being said there was that SOME white folks listen to r&b also along with their love for ALL forms of rock music too.
Peace
*We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
Glad you said this. "OH, one of 'them', let me cue up all my stereotypes about 'those' people..."
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#101 Being Offended
May 28, 2008 by clander
To be offended is usually a rather unpleasant experience, one that can expose a person to intolerance, cultural misunderstandings, and even evoke the scars of the past. This is such an unpleasant experience that many people develop a thick skin and try to only be offended in the most egregious and awful situations. In many circumstances, they can allow smaller offenses to slip by as fighting them is a waste of time and energy. But white people, blessed with both time and energy, are not these kind of people. In fact there are few things white people love more than being offended.
Naturally, white people do not get offended by statements directed at white people. In fact, they don’t even have a problem making offensive statements about other white people (ask a white person about “flyover states”). As a rule, white people strongly prefer to get offended on behalf of other people.
It is also valuable to know that white people spend a significant portion of their time preparing for the moment when they will be offended. They read magazines, books, and watch documentaries all in hopes that one day they will encounter a person who will say something offensive. When this happens, they can leap into action with quotes, statistics, and historical examples. Once they have finished lecturing another white person about how it’s wrong to use the term “black” instead of “African-American,” they can sit back and relax in the knowledge that they have made a difference.
White people also get excited at the opportunity to be offended at things that are sexist and/or homophobic. Both cases offering ample opportunities for lectures, complaints, graduate classes, lengthy discussions and workshops. All of which do an excellent job of raising awareness among white people who hope to change their status from “not racist” to “super not racist.”
Another thing worth noting is that the threshold for being offended is a very important tool for judging and ranking white people. Missing an opportunity to be outraged is like missing a reference to Derrida-it’s social death.
If you ever need to make a white person feel indebted to you, wait for them to mention a book, film, or television show that features a character who is the same race as you, then say “the representation of <insert race> was offensive and if you can’t see that, well, you need to do some soul searching.” After they return from their hastily booked trip to land of your ancestors, they will be desperate to make it up to you. At this point, it is acceptable to ask them to help you paint your house.
Fair enough, but this thread originated from black people wearing AC/DC shirts. They are a hard rock band. My buddy, who is black, thought it was weird as all hell for a black man to be wearing a Pantera shirt. They are a metal band. I realize this emphasizes clothing too much, and that's not necessarily a basis in determining what is actually being listened to. I'm sure many soft rock artists have black fans. I just don't think its so prevalent in the heavier forms of rock, as was the basis for this thread
Common sense post. Everyone is so eager to be offended so they can look like they are advanced & sensitive (see my post above this one).
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Fair enough, but this thread originated from black people wearing AC/DC shirts. They are a hard rock band. My buddy, who is black, thought it was weird as all hell for a black man to be wearing a Pantera shirt. They are a metal band. I realize this emphasizes clothing too much, and that's not necessarily a basis in determining what is actually being listened to. I'm sure many soft rock artists have black fans. I just don't think its so prevalent in the heavier forms of rock, as was the basis for this thread
I love that Pantera song WALK Live the furosity is awesome. *Re-Spect, Walk, what did you say? Re-Spect....are you talking to me, Are You Talking To ME?*
Peace
*We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
I think a lot of people (white, black, brown, asian, whatever) wear classic rock shirts as a fashion accessory these days.
But speaking in racial terms, I'm a non-white person who grew up listening to Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Alice In Chains, I listen to a huge variety of alternative rock these days and I've played in bands, play the guitar, etc. You kind of get the wierd looks sometimes at shows, which I think is sad, because growing up in Canada I'm exposed to all the same cultural influences that anyone else would be. I've experienced that from white people and also people of my own race, most of whom seem to listen to mainstream rap/r&B for some odd reason. I'm all in favour of people fucking with racial stereotypes and hope that rock sees some more colour (and it will) as time goes on, because they whiney white guy thing is kind of getting played out. Its time for the whiney black, brown, asian, south american guy or whatever to get some time on the stage. The white Indie artist is largely the most boring thing in music these days, because they all have the same perspective on everything, there is nothing new being said there. Same with the typical black bling bling rapper, nothing new. What we need is an illegal alien mexican Bright Eyes, or something like that. I wanna hear stories about that life.
I think a lot of people (white, black, brown, asian, whatever) wear classic rock shirts as a fashion accessory these days.
But speaking in racial terms, I'm a non-white person who grew up listening to Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Alice In Chains, I listen to a huge variety of alternative rock these days and I've played in bands, play the guitar, etc. You kind of get the wierd looks sometimes at shows, which I think is sad, because growing up in Canada I'm exposed to all the same cultural influences that anyone else would be. I've experienced that from white people and also people of my own race, most of whom seem to listen to mainstream rap/r&B for some odd reason. I'm all in favour of people fucking with racial stereotypes and hope that rock sees some more colour (and it will) as time goes on, because they whiney white guy thing is kind of getting played out. Its time for the whiney black, brown, asian, south american guy or whatever to get some time on the stage. The white Indie artist is largely the most boring thing in music these days, because they all have the same perspective on everything, there is nothing new being said there. Same with the typical black bling bling rapper, nothing new. What we need is an illegal alien mexican Bright Eyes, or something like that. I wanna hear stories about that life.
I think a lot of it has to do with marketing. If we're trying to cater to a specific audience then we have a very small capacity and will not get much attention.
Look at Christian Rock bands, I see their commercials all the time on TV but never heard of their songs before. I wouldn't know the songs because I'm not in their demographic.
It's the same way with ethnic-them movies, they will not go to the mall theaters but instead find their way to art-houses and smaller theaters.
I'm amazed of how popular M.I.A. is around the world, not just South Asians. I'm not fan of hers yet but it's great to see her bring some fresh to the game.
Calm down. No one here is a nazi, they just have some slightly ignorant views.
To be honest, this thread is probably the most degrading thing I've ever seen for a longtime. I've walked into racial slurs and stereotypes before but the context of them are mostly in comedic fashion.
For the OP have an observation like this, it's kinda like saying "oh, you're not white why are you listening to this kind of music for?" A terrible observation in my opinion, and somewhat offended as if my cultural background doesn't fit the requirement to listen to PJ.
What attracted me to Pearl Jam was mainly because of Eddie Vedder's lyrics. He's 18-years my senior, born in a different country and raised in a different city/state, and is white. But boy, Eddie's personal family problems in his youth are parallel to mine. Just like Ed, I was more attached to my mother than my deadbeat father- that's just one of the examples but fuck there's even more songs that I relate to the man. Even Flow- about homelessness; even I never been homeless myself but have lived and moved to many different cities/states in between 5-17-years-old: 2 countries, 4 states, 7 different cities. I've never felt at home during those stages of my life. Better Man- my mother can relate to that song; for some reason she fell in love with assholes; first my dad then my stepdad and for major of her parenthood she was a single mom. Off He Goes- that song is basically about me as well; I always manage to destruct my friendship with some of the nicest friends one can have, so just like Eddie I can be such a shitty friend sometimes.
OK, I think I've gave enough example of how a minority can love and feel passionate about a rock band but I can probably go on and on...Anyway, peace and Keep on rockin' in the free world.
I never realized so many pj fans were raciest. I knew a lot of them are drunks and can't throw away garbage *any camden show parking lot can show you this* but to throw raciest in the mix is crazy.
I want to take a sec to defend the OP. I really don't think he meant anything by it. If I kept running into brothas keeping it real with AC DC shirts I would find it odd and oddly refreshing too. No big deal. The guy was making an observation, jeesh.
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I want to take a sec to defend the OP. I really don't think he meant anything by it. If I kept running into brothas keeping it real with AC DC shirts I would find it odd and oddly refreshing too. No big deal. The guy was making an observation, jeesh.
After seeing this thread come up I went through and read each and every post before I quoted and posted what I had to say. I was quite surprised what some had to say and there observations and feelings about a minority wearing a hard rock band's shirt.
I waited on AC/DC once, they didn't have a problem with that and when they found out I was a fan (from my tour shirt under my uniform) and went to THEIR fucking show. Man were so pumped and excited that a person color knew and liked their music. They took care of me very well and even gave THEIR world tour official All Access Pass.
I think though this went well because it was 3-4am in the morning and everybody else in our Denny's had no clue who these guys were. Just that they had a foreign British accent. I had to correct them that they're actually from *Down Under* Australia.
Peace
*We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
I never realized so many pj fans were raciest. I knew a lot of them are drunks and can't throw away garbage *any camden show parking lot can show you this* but to throw raciest in the mix is crazy.
How in the blue hell is it racism? Would someone please explain this? Saying "hey I've noticed this and its out of the ordinary" does not in any way equate racism. No one has said minorities do not have the right to wear rock t-shirts or listen to rock music. What has been said or implied, is that you do not see it often. And that is true.
Like I already said a few times, one of my best friends, a black man, is confused about this himself. I guess by the logic displayed here, that makes him racist towards his own race???
I'm all for anyone of any race listening to whatever they wish. But I'm not so afraid to acknowledge when something is uncommon so as not to upset anyone...so the next time I see a black person wearing a hard rock or metal band shirt, I will still think it strange, yet cool. Doesn't mean he/she has no right to. Doesn't make me racist, just means I notice something you don't see everyday, and have no problem acknowledging that as some do
How in the blue hell is it racism? Would someone please explain this? Saying "hey I've noticed this and its out of the ordinary" does not in any way equate racism. No one has said minorities do not have the right to wear rock t-shirts or listen to rock music. What has been said or implied, is that you do not see it often. And that is true.
Like I already said a few times, one of my best friends, a black man, is confused about this himself. I guess by the logic displayed here, that makes him racist towards his own race???
I'm all for anyone of any race listening to whatever they wish. But I'm not so afraid to acknowledge when something is uncommon so as not to upset anyone...so the next time I see a black person wearing a hard rock or metal band shirt, I will still think it strange, yet cool. Doesn't mean he/she has no right to. Doesn't make me racist, just means I notice something you don't see everyday, and have no problem acknowledging that as some do
I can agree with you here. Many times I see white kids with rappers shirts and how they wear their clothes. I think it's funny cause I don't know who most of those rappers are, in fact in South Florida where I live for half a year the white kids down there mostly those with money all listen to rap and especially gangster rap.
What was racist was the stereotyping others had to say within this thread, way too many assumptions were made about minorities and what they should be listening to.
Peace
*We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
After seeing this thread come up I went through and read each and every post before I quoted and posted what I had to say.
Thank you for doing that.
To all those who have reamed me after reading my first post Fuck You.
I damn well know people are free to listen to anything they want.
My guy Brian wears a Budweiser hat. It has a letter B with a crown on top of it.
To him it stands for King Brian.
It bugs the hell out of me.
He doesn’t even like beer!
Why wear something that only you are in on?
i've seen so many African Americans wearing AC/DC shirts, i thought it meant something different to them.
That’s why I started this thread. I was curious.
I just threw in the word African American and everybody went berserk.
*~Pearl Jam will be blasted from speakers until morale improves~*
Uh huh? I must have missed the sources that describe Hitler's views on blacks wearing AC/DC t-shirts :rolleyes:
The thread is dumb, no question, but I don't think it was born of any kind of racist agenda, just ignorance.
"I remember one night at Muzdalifa with nothing but the sky overhead, I lay awake amid sleeping Muslim brothers and I learned that pilgrims from every land — every colour, and class, and rank; high officials and the beggar alike — all snored in the same language"
To be honest, this thread is probably the most degrading thing I've ever seen for a longtime. I've walked into racial slurs and stereotypes before but the context of them are mostly in comedic fashion.
For the OP have an observation like this, it's kinda like saying "oh, you're not white why are you listening to this kind of music for?" A terrible observation in my opinion, and somewhat offended as if my cultural background doesn't fit the requirement to listen to PJ.
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I've been to BB King concerts and have been asked each and every time by black folks just what in the hell I was doing there.....I didn't take it personally
All I have to do is revel in the everyday....then do it again tomorrow
They say every sin is deadly but I believe they may be wrong...I'm guilty of all seven and I don't feel too bad at all
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I've been to BB King concerts and have been asked each and every time by black folks just what in the hell I was doing there.....I didn't take it personally
I got that once at a Iron Maiden concert 87' or 88' by myself and I rattled of the entire lyrics to *Trooper* and they were he's cool. No big deal just their ignorance besides I like putting people in their place when they get like that.
Peace
*We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
How in the blue hell is it racism? Would someone please explain this? Saying "hey I've noticed this and its out of the ordinary" does not in any way equate racism.
Doesn't make me racist, just means I notice something you don't see everyday, and have no problem acknowledging that as some do
Nope. It makes you observant. I'm just as observant. It's good to be observant.
If you open your mouth and ask a question then it makes you curious. It's cool to be curious.
I've been to BB King concerts and have been asked each and every time by black folks just what in the hell I was doing there.....I didn't take it personally
And you know, the guy who really stuck with me really questioned me about why I was there and all that crap. He said, "What do you know about BB King? You don't know nothing about the blues." Shit like that on and on. It mattered none to me because his opinion about what I as young white dude was supposed to listen to or priviliged to listen to didn't mean a damn thing to me...and still doesn't.
I guess Nazis don't have to white after all.....wow, that doesn't make sense does it?
All I have to do is revel in the everyday....then do it again tomorrow
They say every sin is deadly but I believe they may be wrong...I'm guilty of all seven and I don't feel too bad at all
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Not necessarily in the case of Pink Floyd, maybe they like the name Pink Floyd and the history behind the name of this band which I love also. Maybe they liked the men Pink Anderson and Floyd Council both blues musicians who happen to be both black. Even some white fans of the band have no clue where or why that Pink Floyd name was created from or they could just like DSOTM because of the color of the shirt.
Sometimes we just make too many assumptions about people cause we come in all colors, sizes, likes and dislikes in the music that we all love.
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
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I would say most white fans don't know that. As a matter of fact, I think you and I may be two of 7 people on the planet who know Pink Anderson and Floyd Council were Pink Floyd!
Well, ok, 13 people if you count the guys in Pink Floyd.
I agree with you and it's so easy for people to make assumptions about others, whether it be music, politics, race, gender and pretty much everything else in life. We're all probably guilty of that somehow, to some degree, including myself, and asking questions and talking about it is the way to help learn!
Peace
What a great word, G under P
Also, the gal I'm seeing is from Kingston Jamaica, too. Its funny. My default artist to put on is Bob Marley, and hers is usually Guns and Roses or The Stones.
Don't be mankind. ~Captain Beefheart
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I think that's quite a stretch. I personally don't care who listens to what, but when you see something out of the ordinary (black man that my friend and I saw wearing a Pantera shirt, for example), you will look twice. Anyone who says otherwise is just trying to sound PC as hell for the sake of sounding PC, and is lying to themselves. It doesn't make you racist or ignorant to make an observation that is just plain obvious
Again I did not say there was anything wrong with any race of people wearing or listening to anything they want. But to say there are as many black people listening to hard rock/metal as there are white people into r&b/rap is not accurate
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Great observation, the g under p stands for *Grace Under Pressure* my favorite RUSH album and my first RUSH concert and lots more to the phrase but not much time here to explain.
Not that's funny about your friend. I my case my lady will see in concert Acon is it or Jay Z and Mary J Blige while I'll go and see Rush, The Who or Joe Satriani. Also I think I have one B. Marley t-shirt but many Ziggy Marley ones.
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
Fair enough, but this thread originated from black people wearing AC/DC shirts. They are a hard rock band. My buddy, who is black, thought it was weird as all hell for a black man to be wearing a Pantera shirt. They are a metal band. I realize this emphasizes clothing too much, and that's not necessarily a basis in determining what is actually being listened to. I'm sure many soft rock artists have black fans. I just don't think its so prevalent in the heavier forms of rock, as was the basis for this thread
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Who in a rational mindset would think as many people listening to hard rock/metal as they're white people into r&b? I think what was being said there was that SOME white folks listen to r&b also along with their love for ALL forms of rock music too.
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
Stuff White People Like
#101 Being Offended
May 28, 2008 by clander
To be offended is usually a rather unpleasant experience, one that can expose a person to intolerance, cultural misunderstandings, and even evoke the scars of the past. This is such an unpleasant experience that many people develop a thick skin and try to only be offended in the most egregious and awful situations. In many circumstances, they can allow smaller offenses to slip by as fighting them is a waste of time and energy. But white people, blessed with both time and energy, are not these kind of people. In fact there are few things white people love more than being offended.
Naturally, white people do not get offended by statements directed at white people. In fact, they don’t even have a problem making offensive statements about other white people (ask a white person about “flyover states”). As a rule, white people strongly prefer to get offended on behalf of other people.
It is also valuable to know that white people spend a significant portion of their time preparing for the moment when they will be offended. They read magazines, books, and watch documentaries all in hopes that one day they will encounter a person who will say something offensive. When this happens, they can leap into action with quotes, statistics, and historical examples. Once they have finished lecturing another white person about how it’s wrong to use the term “black” instead of “African-American,” they can sit back and relax in the knowledge that they have made a difference.
White people also get excited at the opportunity to be offended at things that are sexist and/or homophobic. Both cases offering ample opportunities for lectures, complaints, graduate classes, lengthy discussions and workshops. All of which do an excellent job of raising awareness among white people who hope to change their status from “not racist” to “super not racist.”
Another thing worth noting is that the threshold for being offended is a very important tool for judging and ranking white people. Missing an opportunity to be outraged is like missing a reference to Derrida-it’s social death.
If you ever need to make a white person feel indebted to you, wait for them to mention a book, film, or television show that features a character who is the same race as you, then say “the representation of <insert race> was offensive and if you can’t see that, well, you need to do some soul searching.” After they return from their hastily booked trip to land of your ancestors, they will be desperate to make it up to you. At this point, it is acceptable to ask them to help you paint your house.
Common sense post. Everyone is so eager to be offended so they can look like they are advanced & sensitive (see my post above this one).
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Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
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But speaking in racial terms, I'm a non-white person who grew up listening to Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Alice In Chains, I listen to a huge variety of alternative rock these days and I've played in bands, play the guitar, etc. You kind of get the wierd looks sometimes at shows, which I think is sad, because growing up in Canada I'm exposed to all the same cultural influences that anyone else would be. I've experienced that from white people and also people of my own race, most of whom seem to listen to mainstream rap/r&B for some odd reason. I'm all in favour of people fucking with racial stereotypes and hope that rock sees some more colour (and it will) as time goes on, because they whiney white guy thing is kind of getting played out. Its time for the whiney black, brown, asian, south american guy or whatever to get some time on the stage. The white Indie artist is largely the most boring thing in music these days, because they all have the same perspective on everything, there is nothing new being said there. Same with the typical black bling bling rapper, nothing new. What we need is an illegal alien mexican Bright Eyes, or something like that. I wanna hear stories about that life.
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Look at Christian Rock bands, I see their commercials all the time on TV but never heard of their songs before. I wouldn't know the songs because I'm not in their demographic.
It's the same way with ethnic-them movies, they will not go to the mall theaters but instead find their way to art-houses and smaller theaters.
I'm amazed of how popular M.I.A. is around the world, not just South Asians. I'm not fan of hers yet but it's great to see her bring some fresh to the game.
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For the OP have an observation like this, it's kinda like saying "oh, you're not white why are you listening to this kind of music for?" A terrible observation in my opinion, and somewhat offended as if my cultural background doesn't fit the requirement to listen to PJ.
What attracted me to Pearl Jam was mainly because of Eddie Vedder's lyrics. He's 18-years my senior, born in a different country and raised in a different city/state, and is white. But boy, Eddie's personal family problems in his youth are parallel to mine. Just like Ed, I was more attached to my mother than my deadbeat father- that's just one of the examples but fuck there's even more songs that I relate to the man. Even Flow- about homelessness; even I never been homeless myself but have lived and moved to many different cities/states in between 5-17-years-old: 2 countries, 4 states, 7 different cities. I've never felt at home during those stages of my life. Better Man- my mother can relate to that song; for some reason she fell in love with assholes; first my dad then my stepdad and for major of her parenthood she was a single mom. Off He Goes- that song is basically about me as well; I always manage to destruct my friendship with some of the nicest friends one can have, so just like Eddie I can be such a shitty friend sometimes.
OK, I think I've gave enough example of how a minority can love and feel passionate about a rock band but I can probably go on and on...Anyway, peace and Keep on rockin' in the free world.
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Is it really? If this is the most degrading thing you've seen in a while you are seriously lucky.
After seeing this thread come up I went through and read each and every post before I quoted and posted what I had to say. I was quite surprised what some had to say and there observations and feelings about a minority wearing a hard rock band's shirt.
I waited on AC/DC once, they didn't have a problem with that and when they found out I was a fan (from my tour shirt under my uniform) and went to THEIR fucking show. Man were so pumped and excited that a person color knew and liked their music. They took care of me very well and even gave THEIR world tour official All Access Pass.
I think though this went well because it was 3-4am in the morning and everybody else in our Denny's had no clue who these guys were. Just that they had a foreign British accent. I had to correct them that they're actually from *Down Under* Australia.
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
How in the blue hell is it racism? Would someone please explain this? Saying "hey I've noticed this and its out of the ordinary" does not in any way equate racism. No one has said minorities do not have the right to wear rock t-shirts or listen to rock music. What has been said or implied, is that you do not see it often. And that is true.
Like I already said a few times, one of my best friends, a black man, is confused about this himself. I guess by the logic displayed here, that makes him racist towards his own race???
I'm all for anyone of any race listening to whatever they wish. But I'm not so afraid to acknowledge when something is uncommon so as not to upset anyone...so the next time I see a black person wearing a hard rock or metal band shirt, I will still think it strange, yet cool. Doesn't mean he/she has no right to. Doesn't make me racist, just means I notice something you don't see everyday, and have no problem acknowledging that as some do
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I can agree with you here. Many times I see white kids with rappers shirts and how they wear their clothes. I think it's funny cause I don't know who most of those rappers are, in fact in South Florida where I live for half a year the white kids down there mostly those with money all listen to rap and especially gangster rap.
What was racist was the stereotyping others had to say within this thread, way too many assumptions were made about minorities and what they should be listening to.
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
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And I know MANY African Americans that listen to rock music and MANY caucasians who listen to rap.
And who are you people to judge what good music is? Everyone has their own opinion.
Man, oh, man, this thread is somethig else.
Lil Wayne is better than Pearl Jam.
Bitches ain't nothin' but hoes 'n tricks
Thank you for doing that.
To all those who have reamed me after reading my first post Fuck You.
I damn well know people are free to listen to anything they want.
My guy Brian wears a Budweiser hat. It has a letter B with a crown on top of it.
To him it stands for King Brian.
It bugs the hell out of me.
He doesn’t even like beer!
Why wear something that only you are in on?
i've seen so many African Americans wearing AC/DC shirts, i thought it meant something different to them.
That’s why I started this thread. I was curious.
I just threw in the word African American and everybody went berserk.
The thread is dumb, no question, but I don't think it was born of any kind of racist agenda, just ignorance.
They say every sin is deadly but I believe they may be wrong...I'm guilty of all seven and I don't feel too bad at all
I got that once at a Iron Maiden concert 87' or 88' by myself and I rattled of the entire lyrics to *Trooper* and they were he's cool. No big deal just their ignorance besides I like putting people in their place when they get like that.
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
If you open your mouth and ask a question then it makes you curious. It's cool to be curious.
Thread over.
...signed...the token black Pearl Jam fan.
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I guess Nazis don't have to white after all.....wow, that doesn't make sense does it?
They say every sin is deadly but I believe they may be wrong...I'm guilty of all seven and I don't feel too bad at all