AC/DC shirts and African Americans

Shawn Smith Collective · May 2007

Brainofdz wrote:

This thread has spun out of control. I think it was a totally innocent observation. I've lived in NYC all of my life, and had many black friends. In my experience my black friends and other blacks I've been aware of had little or no interest or knowledge of Rock music. Maybe, I'm missing something on that observation. I have noticed this new concert t trend, and I chalk it up to fashion.

Put it this way...what's "A LOT" to you? 10 black people wearing AC/DC shirts? Maybe 15? Out of how many others NOT wearing AC/DC shirts? That would be a VAST minority wouldn't it? So it still stands to reason that your "black friends and other blacks [you've] been aware of had little or no interest or knowledge of Rock music."

Also, it's not an innocent observation when you inject your opinion and judgment into it. You didn't just observe black people in AC/DC shirts or even just question why you'd seen "a lot" of black people in AC/DC shirts...you went as far as determing that you DOUBT they're fans because you'd "seen so many." By doing that, you stated your broadbrushed opinion and left yourself open to this thread spinning out of control.

Brainofdz · May 2007

pjny wrote:

Put it this way...what's "A LOT" to you? 10 black people wearing AC/DC shirts? Maybe 15? Out of how many others NOT wearing AC/DC shirts? That would be a VAST minority wouldn't it? So it still stands to reason that your "black friends and other blacks [you've] been aware of had little or no interest or knowledge of Rock music."

Also, it's not an innocent observation when you inject your opinion and judgment into it. You didn't just observe black people in AC/DC shirts or even just question why you'd seen "a lot" of black people in AC/DC shirts...you went as far as determing that you DOUBT they're fans because you'd "seen so many." By doing that, you stated your broadbrushed opinion and left yourself open to this thread spinning out of control.

I wasn't the creator of this thread pal. I was giving my opinion that the person who started this thread was making an innocent observation, not a racist generalization. Furthermore, I certainly never meant to suggest that no blacks like rock music. However, I've made a judgement based on instinct that the recent influx of rock t's into hip-hop culture is a fashion trend, not a musical revolution.

blondieblue227 · May 2007

It was an innocent observation. I see I was right by not asking about their shirt in person, I might’ve got a response like this thread.

So therefore should I be intimidated by a race other than my own? No matter how I word my question will somebody get offended? I’ll naturally feel fear for something I’m not allowed to talk about or understand. That’s terrible … that’ll lead to fear of being able to start a conversation with somebody.

And why the chip on the shoulder? I asked my question as polite as could and people turned it into a racist remark. My question wasn’t a criticism; it was formed out of true curiosity.

This thread makes me want to give up on humans. I want to become a hermit! Lol.

Milestone · May 2007

eyedclaar wrote:

Back in BLACK, bro. The album is obviously a concept record about the black man's struggle in these modern times.

I don't think Angus Young and company were fighting for the black man.

Brainofdz · May 2007

blondieblue227 wrote:

It was an innocent observation. I see I was right by not asking about their shirt in person, I might’ve got a response like this thread.

So therefore should be intimidated by a race other than my own? No matter how I word my question will somebody get offended? I’ll naturally feel fear for something I’m not allowed to talk about or understand. That’s terrible … that it’ll lead to fear of being able to start a conversation with somebody.

And why the chip on the shoulder? I asked my question as polite as could and people turned it into a racist remark. My question wasn’t a criticism; it was formed out of true curiosity.

This thread makes me want to give up on humans. I want to become a hermit! Lol.

Your completely wrong about getting a negative response if you asked the people wearing the shirts. Its white people that get bent out of shape about this bullshit, mostly sheltered whites who have never even interacted with other races. In my experience blacks and hispanics are much more straightfoward than their white counterparts and they appreciate honesty more than so-called racial sensitivity. The next time you see a black in a concer t, ask him/her about it. I pretty much guarantee they will react more reasonably than some of the self-righteous douches on here.

KELLYS LEASH · May 2007

Its comments like this that grind my gears!!!!!
How ignorant can people still be????

pjalive21 · May 2007

danny72688 wrote:

Would people look at me funny or think twice if I wore an N.W.A. shirt?
(I'm white).

Sure it's unexpected, but maybe they like AC/DC
I know plenty of black AIC fans.

i doubt they like AC/DC or even know what they are wearing, this just isnt black people this is most of the current generation who buy band shirts to look cool and have no idea what is actually on their shirt

these shirts are sold at the mall and in local department stores and its the "in" thing to wear even if your clueless who the band is

ive called out many kids when i see them and they come into my shop i work at and i ask them what their favorite song or album is and they say they have no clue, they just like the shirt...lame!!!

Milestone · May 2007

KELLY'S LEASH wrote:

Its comments like this that grind my gears!!!!!
How ignorant can people still be????

What????

Since when is it ignorant to post an interesting observation?

Lighten up.

blondieblue227 · May 2007

Brainofdz wrote:

The next time you see a black in a concer t, ask him/her about it. I pretty much guarantee thry will react more reasonably than some of the self-righteous doches on here.

you really think so..........? i don't know, they might have that ‘chip on the shoulder’ attitude. Like how dare I ask them that.

i might just nonchalantly pass them and say ‘Yeah, AC/DC rocks’ and watch what their reaction is.

Brainofdz · May 2007

KELLY'S LEASH wrote:

Its comments like this that grind my gears!!!!!
How ignorant can people still be????

Your P.C. thuggery has no place here. We will talk about whatever we choose without filtering it for bleeding heart liberals like you. There is nothing inherantly racist about this topic, and we are sick of feeling like we have to be embarassed about talking about what is on our mind.

KELLYS LEASH · May 2007

It's ignorant to believe that people can't just listen to what they like without being of a certain colour and making (what you say as being 'Interesting') observations of this only highlights the fact. Rock plays a major part in many black peoples lives and when people constantly make 'observations' regarding black rock fans well..... It grinds my gears!!!

Anyway an article I found: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/28/fashion/28Blipsters.html?ex=1327640400&en=31d7e7e3b0fe7ad1&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss

eyedclaar · May 2007

Milestone wrote:

I don't think Angus Young and company were fighting for the black man.

I hope you didn’t subject the album to a lengthy lyrical analysis before reaching that conclusion. I was joking. Duh!

dharma69 · May 2007

Brainofdz wrote:

In my experience blacks and hispanics are much more straightfoward than their white counterparts and they appreciate honesty more than so-called racial sensitivity.

Yes, we do.

boxwine_in_hell · May 2007

I'm sure this has already been said, but who give's a rat's ass? I've seen white people wear hip hop clothes too, who cares?

Shawn Smith Collective · May 2007

Brainofdz wrote:

I wasn't the creator of this thread pal. I was giving my opinion that the person who started this thread was making an innocent observation, not a racist generalization. Furthermore, I certainly never meant to suggest that no blacks like rock music. However, I've made a judgement based on instinct that the recent influx of rock t's into hip-hop culture is a fashion trend, not a musical revolution.

My mistake in pinning the thread on you. I misread your comment on the innocent observation.

Now, for both you and the person that started the thread, I do agree that rock t's are part of fashion now...but with that it has nothing to do with either black people nor AC/DC. The observation was specific about those two things.

There are thousands of young white kids running around in replica concert t's for The Doors, Jimi Hendrix, Pink Floyd, Led Zep, etc and these kids have barely heard any of their music (if at all). At the same time, there are thousands of these kids that ARE in fact big fans of those bands...so how do you draw any conclusions there?

prytocorduroy · May 2007

pjalive21 wrote:

i doubt they like AC/DC or even know what they are wearing, this just isnt black people this is most of the current generation who buy band shirts to look cool and have no idea what is actually on their shirt

these shirts are sold at the mall and in local department stores and its the "in" thing to wear even if your clueless who the band is

ive called out many kids when i see them and they come into my shop i work at and i ask them what their favorite song or album is and they say they have no clue, they just like the shirt...lame!!!

That's probably the case if they're 15. I was assuming the original poster was talking about all different age groups.

And yes I hate how little punks wear a Zeppelin shirt and don't even know who Jimmy Page is.

Restless Soul · May 2007

I've seen lots of fashiony Footballers Wives-types wearing band t-shirts like zeppelin and stones with their skinny jeans and trendy belts - I bet they've never listened to a zeppelin album in their lives. I'm not white yet I have. (heard a zeppelin album, not worn the t-shirt I should add.)

robfest2 · May 2007

Brainofdz wrote:

Its white people that get bent out of shape about this bullshit, mostly sheltered whites who have never even interacted with other races. In my experience blacks and hispanics are much more straightfoward than their white counterparts and they appreciate honesty more than so-called racial sensitivity.

This is 100% true

blondieblue227 · May 2007

There are two things about racism I’ve learned in my 28 years.
Racism is taught.
Racism is sometimes perpetrated by that race itself.

Yes, I’d be pissed too if I could only trace my ancestry to slaves. Yes, I’d be pissed that it took so long for the law to change to give me equal rights. But there comes a time you have to stop hanging on to the anger and persevere. I think of the Irish. They came to this country and were treated so badly. Rather than stew in it, they pushed forward. They created a parade to show homage to Ireland. Many horrible acts were committed against them. Still they made a place for themselves in this country. Now on March 17th people say they're Irish even when they aren’t. They participate in that parade and the actual Irish embrace that. They don’t criticize or hate people who want to be like them.

It seems like this thread has a lot of reversed racism. I ask a question and suddenly I’m the racist. Where does that lead society as a whole? Can’t we interact with each other without anger? Maybe people are uncomfortable by me asking a simple question because they themselves are racist? My curiosity was formed through what I observe, not an assumption. There are patterns that are in a race. It’s what makes up your culture. Does it make me a horrible person if I ask a question about something I don’t understand outside of my race?

That chip on your shoulder is holding you back. Can’t you see that? Open your eyes.

blondieblue227 · May 2007

danny72688 wrote:

And yes I hate how little punks wear a Zeppelin shirt and don't even know who Jimmy Page is.

yes i guess it bugs me too. it shouldn't but it does.

if i'm going to wear something i'm damn well going to know what it means first.

but like i said if they are embracing rock i'm ok with it. but i highly doubt it. BECAUSE of the crowd they're surounded by. hiphop...or backstreet etc. I only know what I observe. And if I observe a thing that goes against culture patterns, is it wrong to be curious?

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