Pearl jam and incest

pjfan31
pjfan31 Posts: 7,335
edited April 2008 in The Porch
I heard on the radio this morning about a father and daughter combo who had a child together. Anyway the music they were playing in the background was Daughter. I found it funny.
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  • InHiding19
    InHiding19 Posts: 2,385
    lol I heard that song is about incest jk
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  • slightofjeff
    slightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    Oxxys wrote:
    lol I heard that song is about incest jk

    It's definitely about sexual abuse ...
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  • yellowled24
    yellowled24 Posts: 3,118
    i heard that story the other day!!!!
    Apparently they had one child together and it died of a heart defect then they had another. The dad said it wasnt such a big deal, that they were like any other couple :eek:
    That was pretty funny for them to play Daughter in the back ground. But puts a slur on the song imo :rolleyes:
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  • slightofjeff
    slightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    yellowled24 wrote:
    That was pretty funny for them to play Daughter in the back ground. But puts a slur on the song imo :rolleyes:

    Actually, it's pretty much exactly what that song is about ... although I'm sure whoever put the song to this story didn't even know that.
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  • jesse
    jesse Posts: 170
    pjfan31 wrote:
    I heard on the radio this morning about a father and daughter combo who had a child together. Anyway the music they were playing in the background was Daughter. I found it funny.


    yeah it was also on tv the other day i watched it and it really does make you feel sick! the problem is they feel they have nothing to be ashamed about
  • yellowled24
    yellowled24 Posts: 3,118
    slightofjeff wrote:
    Actually, it's pretty much exactly what that song is about ... although I'm sure whoever put the song to this story didn't even know that.
    :confused:
    I always thought it was about adoption...??
    Whoops :rolleyes:
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  • hiding
    hiding Posts: 290
    it is all how one interpets a song.

    i am listening to it right now and i hear nothing that suggests that it is about incest.

    sounds like a typical PJ wanting to escape from a situation that you are in song, that eddie has repeated over and over and over, one on each album IMO

    just a simple mans thought.
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  • MattyJoe
    MattyJoe Posts: 1,424
    I read that Daughter was about a girl who had down syndrome or autism or something and her mother didn't know how to take care of her so she eventually gave her up to an institution. I've never read anything claiming it was about incest.

    I know for sure Alive's second verse is about incest but I don't think Daughter is.
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  • Local Crew
    Local Crew Posts: 745
    pjfan31 wrote:
    I heard on the radio this morning about a father and daughter combo who had a child together. Anyway the music they were playing in the background was Daughter. I found it funny.

    EW!
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  • DaytimeDilemma
    DaytimeDilemma Posts: 2,008
    Alive is about incest.
  • nowayimfaithfull
    nowayimfaithfull Posts: 2,051
    Understand the songs before you talk about such serious stuff.
    Daughter is about Ed never knowing his sister, they put her up for adoption, the shades go down is a referance to saying goodbye and forgetting about her. When Ed grew up he found out a guy that was a very famous local singer( they told him it was an uncle), while the guy was dying, Ed later found out it was his dad after he was dead.
    Than he found out he had a sister so he had his whole life pulled out from under him. He obviously found out his brothers were step brothers and his dad was a step dad.
    Alive is abouyt his rebirth, but in shows he would mention his mom looking deep into his eyes and seeing his father, who she obviously saw in Ed. Ed makes 1 referance in a live song about it in a more negative way.
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  • slightofjeff
    slightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    yellowled24 wrote:
    :confused:
    I always thought it was about adoption...??
    Whoops :rolleyes:

    the shades go down .... it's menacing ... no one knows what goes on behind that window. We look like a normal family. We are not. Rearviewmirror is the companion piece to this song. ... In rearviemirror, finally the shades are raised ... and the abuse that led to the protagonist getting the hell away (or his/her suicide, if you want to go that route) are exposed to the world.

    she holds the hand that holds her down .... the one man in the world who is supposed to be there to guide her, protect her and love her most is the one that is suppressing her.

    Don't call me daughter, because you've done the one thing that violates the father/daughter relationship.

    And the abused daughter goes back and forth, as many battered women do, assigning blame.

    Don't call me daughter, you're not fit to ... because of what you did to me

    Don't call me daughter, I'm not fit to be ... your daughter, because somehow I must have done something to deserve this.

    There really is a lot going on in the lyrics of this song.

    I'm willing to concede that it might not be about incest per se. But it's definitely about someone who has been abused and, in the end, is vowing to rise above.

    There is absolutely no way this song is about adoption. It's really pretty clear to me, and I'm not sure how one would arrive at that conclusion.
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  • slightofjeff
    slightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    nowayimfaithfull wrote:
    Understand the songs before you talk about such serious stuff.
    Daughter is about Ed ver knowing his sister, they put her up for adoption, the shades go down is a referance to saying goodbye and forgetting about her. .

    Uh ... none of this is true. Sorry.
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  • nowayimfaithfull
    nowayimfaithfull Posts: 2,051
    There is a good book that goes over a lot of the meaning of these songs, its called five against 1.
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  • nowayimfaithfull
    nowayimfaithfull Posts: 2,051
    slightofjeff wrote:
    Uh ... none of this is true. Sorry.


    Dude I dont even give a fuck, you choose to jump on me about this shit when people are spewing crazy shit

    peace enjoy the tour.
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  • slightofjeff
    slightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    Found this quote ... this is interesting ... the song IS about abuse, but there's also apparently a learning disability involved, which would explain the "mother reads aloud, child tries to understand it" and "center of her own attention lines:"

    From the mouth of Ed himself:

    "The child in that song obviously has a learning difficulty. And it's only in the last few years that they've actually been able to diagnose these learning disabilities that before were looked at as misbehaviour, as just outright fucking rebelliousness. But no one knew what it was. And these kids, because they seemed unable or reluctant to learn, they'd end up getting the shit beaten outta them. The song ends, you know, with this idea of the shades going down--so that the neighbours can't see what happens next. What hurts about shit like that is that it ends up defining peoples' lives. They have to live with that abuse for the rest of their lives. Good, creative people are just fucking destroyed."
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  • slightofjeff
    slightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    nowayimfaithfull wrote:
    Dude I dont even give a fuck, you choose to jump on me about this shit when people are spewing crazy shit

    peace enjoy the tour.

    I'm not jumping on you. YOU jumped on ME. And you were completely and utterly wrong.

    Seriously, I've got no beef with you. You were the one acting like I was a fucking idiot for thinking this song was about an abused kid ... which Ed flat-out said it was.

    If I misunderstood what you were saying, I'm sorry.
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  • jesse
    jesse Posts: 170
    i dont think anyone should be telling anyone that their thoughts on the meaning of a pearl jam song are wrong! who cares if someone thinks its about ed's sister, child abuse, incest or whatever no one is wrong its all open to interpretation
  • slightofjeff
    slightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    jesse wrote:
    i dont think anyone should be telling anyone that their thoughts on the meaning of a pearl jam song are wrong! who cares if someone thinks its about ed's sister, child abuse, incest or whatever no one is wrong its all open to interpretation

    That's a fun thing to say, and it's correct to some extent ... but sometimes, there is a right and wrong interpretation.

    You might think "Deep" is about Mark Spitz learning to swim, but you'd be wrong.

    I think it's funny when Ed basically will flat-out say what a song is about, and people will argue with it.
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  • allmyrivals
    allmyrivals Posts: 228
    slightofjeff wrote:
    That's a fun thing to say, and it's correct to some extent ... but sometimes, there is a right and wrong interpretation.

    You might think "Deep" is about Mark Spitz learning to swim, but you'd be wrong.

    I think it's funny when Ed basically will flat-out say what a song is about, and people will argue with it.


    Hence the reason Ed will not come to this forum anymore.




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