Open Petition: Communicate with us!

redmosquito84

Hey,
I just need to vent for a moment here. Why is it that all of the information I've received regarding Pearl Jam's new album has come from sources other than pearljam.com/Ten Club? I think that as Ten Club members we've all come to understand that the Christmas single is released sometime before summer and that the Deep magazine will contain whatever random information it will and sometimes no solid information at all. These are things we all know and love about being in the Ten Club...the eccentricities, if you will. But what happened on the communication front regarding the release of the new album and possible tour dates? Why did I have to learn from RollingStone that Pearl Jam was going to be working with Brendan O'Brien on the new album? Why, OH GOD WHY, did I have to learn from PerezHilton.com that they will be working with Target to distribute the album? Why is it that my friends (who are NOT Pearl Jam fans), know about Pearl Jam playing festivals in San Francisco and Austin before I do? I mean, honestly! I feel like we're getting left in the dark and it's really starting to bother me.

As far as the tour goes, I would like to be able to plan my life more than 2 weeks in advance and I'd like to optimize the amount of shows I'm able to go to. Is it that things are unorganized at this point? If so, TELL US! Is it that the Ten Club is short-staffed? If that's the case, I'm a highly organized and intelligent individual who would love to leave my current position in the insurance industry to help out the band I've loved since my youth Let me know and I'll send you my resume and then we can get the tour planned and start rocking out. Who's with me?!

All I'm asking for is to learn things straight from the club I pay an annual membership fee to be a part of. Don't leave out the people who have built you up.

That's all I've got for now. I'm looking forward to the shows I hope will happen.

J_________...

DewieCox

News leaks. PJ has no control over it.

youngster

I agree with you. I'm almost resigned to saying that I will see the new CD in the Target or Best Buy flyer two days before the release, buy it on release day, then find out a week later the CD is out and for sale. I'm over reacting obviously but it's true. We get info from everyone else but PJ, and when any member posts about it, it gets deleted. The censorship here is crazy. Certain topics are discussed for weeks, deleted, and then the 10C decides to announce what everyone already knows. Enough already. Just be adults and let us in on some info. This is a club and we pay good money to be a part of it.

evenflow82

I will bump this thread...and not just because you're way cool, Jill. :-)

benjs

redmosquito84 wrote:

Hey,
I just need to vent for a moment here. Why is it that all of the information I've received regarding Pearl Jam's new album has come from sources other than pearljam.com/Ten Club? I think that as Ten Club members we've all come to understand that the Christmas single is released sometime before summer and that the Deep magazine will contain whatever random information it will and sometimes no solid information at all. These are things we all know and love about being in the Ten Club...the eccentricities, if you will. But what happened on the communication front regarding the release of the new album and possible tour dates? Why did I have to learn from RollingStone that Pearl Jam was going to be working with Brendan O'Brien on the new album? Why, OH GOD WHY, did I have to learn from PerezHilton.com that they will be working with Target to distribute the album? Why is it that my friends (who are NOT Pearl Jam fans), know about Pearl Jam playing festivals in San Francisco and Austin before I do? I mean, honestly! I feel like we're getting left in the dark and it's really starting to bother me.

As far as the tour goes, I would like to be able to plan my life more than 2 weeks in advance and I'd like to optimize the amount of shows I'm able to go to. Is it that things are unorganized at this point? If so, TELL US! Is it that the Ten Club is short-staffed? If that's the case, I'm a highly organized and intelligent individual who would love to leave my current position in the insurance industry to help out the band I've loved since my youth Let me know and I'll send you my resume and then we can get the tour planned and start rocking out. Who's with me?!

All I'm asking for is to learn things straight from the club I pay an annual membership fee to be a part of. Don't leave out the people who have built you up.

That's all I've got for now. I'm looking forward to the shows I hope will happen.

J_________...

Whatever Ten Club offers this guy, I'll do the same amount of work for less.

DewieCox

^^^I'll do it for some front row tix. When somebody posts breaking news, I'll delete it repost my own version and make it a sticky.

Jeanwah

For some strange reason, we the die-hard fans are not allowed to hear anything until the public hears it first. :roll: :roll:
I agree, it would be really nice if there was more communication and less censorship.

aNiMaL

The Ten Club got to break the Tonight Show news.

Gary Carter

Hell could freeze over before that happens. I agree with everything you say

mavi

I agree, it's been a while since we heard about PJ related news for the first time through 10C. The digital lounge is a good idea but it seems nothing more than teasers come out of there. I know the band and 10C have ALWAYS been good to the fans, but in an era with so many powerful communication tools it's hard to understand why we are not learning about stuff from them directly.

melva02

Seems like they're trying to control everything so they can orchestrate their multi-platform distribution. I get their motivation, but isn't the nature of new media that it isn't all top-down?

Still looking forward to the album and tour, but I just spent a bunch of my Pearl Jam tour budget planning a trip to see Wilco at Red Rocks. I've been enjoying the new Wilco album since the day it leaked, and I'm happy they want me to have it, and yes, I will be donating to the Inspiration Corporation as they requested. Way to be cool and down with the new program, Wilco.

Pearl Jam, guess I'll see your album in my mailbox sometime, but you sure are making it hard to get excited about it.

Melissa

redmosquito84

I'm glad I'm not alone in how I feel. I guess more than anything, I want them to announce all of the tour dates at once and do the ticketing the same way they have in years past...although I know people have their issues with that system as well.

Also, good luck doing a better job for cheaper - I'm about as good as it gets as far as cost/benefit analysis works

Have a great time at Red Rocks, Melissa! I'm not into Wilco but I'm very lucky to live in a state with such an amazing venue.

Ryan_WFC

I'll never understand this complaint.

First off, it's crystal clear to me that the band's official mgmt/website would be the last to announce things, as it's their news to announce, and they want to wait until everything's official -- K-Rock and Stereogum and your sister's hairdresser are under no such obligation.

But moreover...who gives a shit? Isn't the story that we have this great website here on which all sorts of info can be found?

Trying giving the band and its management the freaking benefit of the doubt once in a while. Why not focus on all they do for us, rather than bash them for not rushing news out?

PissBottleMan

Ryan_WFC wrote:

I'll never understand this complaint.

First off, it's crystal clear to me that the band's official mgmt/website would be the last to announce things, as it's their news to announce, and they want to wait until everything's official -- K-Rock and Stereogum and your sister's hairdresser are under no such obligation.

I agree with your stance to a degree. However, simple lines of communication would deflate a lot of speculation and rumors. There's a curve in this modern day society and they're having a hard time staying ahead of it.

Enigmatic messages don't count.

PBM

Ryan_WFC

PissBottleMan wrote:

However, simple lines of communication would deflate a lot of speculation and rumors.

I don't think the band should have to address every bit of speculation/rumor, and even if it did, I think it's more likely than not that it would lead to more bitching and confusion. Pissing into the wind, yeah?

In any case, they've earned the benefit of my doubt many times over.

PissBottleMan

Ryan_WFC wrote:

PissBottleMan wrote:

However, simple lines of communication would deflate a lot of speculation and rumors.

I don't think the band should have to address every bit of speculation/rumor, and even if it did, I think it's more likely than not that it would cause more bitching and confusion. Pissing into the wind, yeah?

Yes, you're probably right. However, the Rumor Pits were nice and it seems communication between the band (PR Folks) and the fans has declined over the years. Just an observation.

The internet has killed a lot of the fun, so I guess we're all to blame in that respect.

PBM

Ryan_WFC

PissBottleMan wrote:

The internet has killed a lot of the fun, so I guess we're all to blame in that respect.

Agreed.

redmosquito84

Ryan_WFC wrote:

PissBottleMan wrote:

However, simple lines of communication would deflate a lot of speculation and rumors.

I don't think the band should have to address every bit of speculation/rumor, and even if it did, I think it's more likely than not that it would lead to more bitching and confusion. Pissing into the wind, yeah?

In any case, they've earned the benefit of my doubt many times over.

I'm not asking the band to respond to every rumor. I'm asking the band to release news directly to fans so that we are in the know. I'm just asking for tour dates, mainly.

einatshaul

They obviously gave Billbord the exclusive, why would they want their little crazy message board to have it out first and loose control over the story?

They get better control and wider exposure if they hand out the story to their chosen media.

Ryan_WFC

redmosquito84 wrote:

I'm asking the band to release news directly to fans so that we are in the know.

When the information becomes official, they do.

Are you suggesting they wait just to mess with us?

Jeanwah

einatshaul wrote:

They obviously gave Billbord the exclusive, why would they want their little crazy message board to have it out first and loose control over the story?

They get better control and wider exposure if they hand out the story to their chosen media.

"Control" being the operative word here. Wouldn't want the fans to know to possibly leak harmful secretive band info, now would they? The very fans that keep them in business?

PissBottleMan

Ryan_WFC wrote:

Are you suggesting they wait just to mess with us?

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PBM

redmosquito84

Ryan_WFC wrote:

redmosquito84 wrote:

I'm asking the band to release news directly to fans so that we are in the know.

When the information becomes official, they do.

Are you suggesting they wait just to mess with us?

I'm suggesting that they are unorganized and they need my help I'm also saying that "official" information is coming from sources who would normally not have this information until the fans already know...this is how things have worked in years past. I'm feeling disconnected and I'd like to have a reliable news source instead of having to track it down by visiting other random websites everyday. Wouldn't it make sense to come to PearlJam.com for news? This is really my only point.

benjs

redmosquito84 wrote:

Ryan_WFC wrote:

redmosquito84 wrote:

I'm asking the band to release news directly to fans so that we are in the know.

When the information becomes official, they do.

Are you suggesting they wait just to mess with us?

I'm suggesting that they are unorganized and they need my help I'm also saying that "official" information is coming from sources who would normally not have this information until the fans already know...this is how things have worked in years past. I'm feeling disconnected and I'd like to have a reliable news source instead of having to track it down by visiting other random websites everyday. Wouldn't it make sense to come to PearlJam.com for news? This is really my only point.

To be honest, I can't imagine them purposely withholding information from us intentionally to the point where other websites are more useful than this one. And if that's the case, then what they really need help with is controlling the flow of information. Clearly they should not be divulging this much to other companies - or at least not as early as they are.

1STmammal2wearPants

really, what it boils down to is that there's a lot of impatient people on here. they weren't ready to release it. it wasn't as if they told another site about it, and 10c didn't report it first. it was leaked, and pj was forced to respond to it via billboard. the album isn't coming out for a few months-- i am sure they would have been ready to release info on it very soon.

redmosquito84

1STmammal2wearPants wrote:

really, what it boils down to is that there's a lot of impatient people on here. they weren't ready to release it. it wasn't as if they told another site about it, and 10c didn't report it first. it was leaked, and pj was forced to respond to it via billboard. the album isn't coming out for a few months-- i am sure they would have been ready to release info on it very soon.

Good point. I'll try to be more patient.

jonbond1779

BUMP!