Anarchy
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power corrupts. I don't think many people would disagree with that.
one way to avoid that is to spread the power out amongst the people.
structure a system around a non-system.
companies have no more say than the individuals that make them up. no laws governing or protecting anyone, its all about public will. there may need to be some kind of declaration before we begin...to prevent majority rules in situations where the majority is ill informed...but true, absolute democracy, with a socialist environment, leaves no chance for a curruptible official or institution. it ends the evcils of authority.
pure anarchy. the way to go.
one way to avoid that is to spread the power out amongst the people.
structure a system around a non-system.
companies have no more say than the individuals that make them up. no laws governing or protecting anyone, its all about public will. there may need to be some kind of declaration before we begin...to prevent majority rules in situations where the majority is ill informed...but true, absolute democracy, with a socialist environment, leaves no chance for a curruptible official or institution. it ends the evcils of authority.
pure anarchy. the way to go.
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the ants have it figured out......
pure ant colony. the way to go.
So which is it? Anarchy or give in to a larger government? Because your quote, http://community.pearljam.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=99258&start=30, "the only institution with the authority to end war is the UN, and in order for it implement its policies, the US needs to get in line, to cede a little sovereignty for the common good., but nationalism and pride and rednecks get in the way of that goal, so we may have a ways to go yet." makes me think you don't know where you stand. An anarchist, or anyone with any common sense would never want to conform into a larger government.
Can you straighten this out for us?
not going to work on a large scale, with over 300 millions individuals
such is the great paradox of humanity. We continue a lifestyle and way of life that is completely unsustainable, unhealthy, and against nature. Yet, we continue down this route, not driving cautiously. But barreling down the highway.
Capitalism and civilization will never be successful either. They are contrary to nature. our way of life is murdering the planet.
Capitalism has worked and it will always work unless people abuse it. You sound like a big hypocrite if you ask me .If you support this Green anarchy or whatever it is you want to call it.why dont you go sell all your shit and go live on some deserted island with commy somewhere
civilization will never be successful????? what is the current world population, approximatly 6billion?
capitalism is successful.......the problem is, the level at which someone finally thinks that they are successful.
i have several friends who own their own business.......they are successful, not "millionare successful" but they are able to pay their bills and feed their family.
those of us who do not make alot of money, for whatever reason, we attempt to understand and imply that it is immoral for that person to have a ridiculous amount of money, when in all actuality, the person may be doing good with their money. they may be helping organizations or starting foundations to assist others.
charles koch........comes to mind, i worked for his company and met him. the only billionare i have ever given a high five too.
so why do have a computer and use the internet...... if you are going to go back to hunting and gathering
I also hope you don't drive a car, fly in airplanes or got to Pearl Jam shows
Getting rid of civilization and technology means getting rid of art, creativity, ways to express ourselves, challenge our minds.. you don't have time for that shit when you are hunting an gathering. You work to stay alive 24/7, make as many babies as you can and die a young age.
No thank you. I will fight to the death to keep civilization alive! No way I'm living in a hunting and gathering world.
Seriously, go live in the wild for a week.. these people will be back in society on their computers after a few days with a new revelation about life.
Seriously, go live in the wild for a week.. these people will be back in society on their computers after a few days with a new revelation about life.[/quote]
correct........seems that most people who want to eliminate, are the people who have never experienced what they want to establish.
if you get time..........check out the program on discovery called "out of the wild"..good show.
correct........seems that most people who want to eliminate, are the people who have never experienced what they want to establish.
if you get time..........check out the program on discovery called "out of the wild"..good show.[/quote]
You should check out expedition Africa :shock:
Huh? Getting rid of technology stifles creativity? Thats a lie. Technology is useful. Even the staunchly anti technology Radiohead uses it. But I dont see how the proliferation of computers and cell phones and all that is a good thing.
I will be fighting with you, but to bring about the death of civilization. I mean the whole term is a joke. Do we really think of ourselves as civilized? The same culture that slaughted Native Americans, that lynched blacks, that used the Atomic Bomb, that gave black men syphillis, that perpetuates a racist justice system that throws over 1 million black men in jail, most for nonviolent drug offenses? Are we really going down that road and saying we are civilized.
sure.
nationalism is a disease. its the idea that my country is better than your country so i'm gonna come and impose my will on your people. its the idea that were' better than others so we can treat them how3ever we want.
democracy is a good thing. I would like to see a world without borders, but since that is a long way off, you need a check on the nations that think they can get away with anything, nations like Israel and the US.
The idea is to prevent genocides, to prevent holocausts, to prevent war. had we a functioning UN hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqi's could still be alive today. there is need for a UN, as long as nationalism is still alive.
ideally we erase all borders, and end all governments....but even under pure anarchy you're going to need some structure, some forms of institutions to ensure things don't get out of hand. a gloabl group of democratically elected individuals in charge of a military, to prevent some random group of people form taking over the world
things like corporations....democratize them to the fullest, each individual, from the janitor to the CEO, should have equal say in how things go down-and should have equal pay based on company profits.
so in that sense, institutions will still exist-even government to some extent, but the idea is to give as much power to the people as is logically possible.
Civilization began with the growing of crops and domesticated animals. So in simple terms if you plan on growing a plant or owning a cow, then you are civilized. Do you seriously believe everyone needs to live like Bear Grylls from Man vs. Wild for everything to be acceptable???
Native Americans were civilized by definition. They grew crops, raised livestock, traded, built communites.. Hell the Mayans built a freakin empire! Humans have been civilized for thousands of years! To my knowledge, uncivilized humans have never existed on the North American continent. Last time we were uncivilized we had just migrated out of Africa and into the Middle East.
And our culture killed the Native Americans??? How do you know I'm not of Native American decent? I wasn't around 200 years ago to commit such an act. How am I connected to this act? Our culture is nothing like it was 200 years ago.
That said, why are you still at your computer? Shouldn't you be hunting for food right now? Stop leaching on civilization and act on your belief already. :P
As you type on a computer plugged into a wireless router running on power from your modern apartment.
Uh... that, by definition, is not anarchy.
What happens when that democratically elected military decides to perform a few favors for their voters to ensure reelection... or refuses to disarm and turn over the weapons when they are voted out? Welcome to the human animal... a social creature that has social stratification and tribal/clan behavior hardwired into its genes.
Nationalism, arrogance.. same thing. My baseball team is better than your baseball team. :P
Don't think of it as a disease, when its a natural part of our genes. Yes it sometimes sucks. Yes we can do things to help "better" it, but we can't deny it is part of us and our evolution.
Don't get me wrong, I see where you are coming from and feel your frustration.