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does ringo really suck?

megatronmegatron Posts: 3,420
edited May 2009 in Other Music
i always hear people calling him the luckiest guy in the world to get and keep his gig with the beatles.
but is he really that bad?

i just watched the vh1 classic doc type thing on plastic ono band and they had the producer playing ringos fills and he was raving about him and how he never does the same fill..ever. then ringo elaborated and so forth about his art.
i mean lennon liked him enough to invite over to his solo album he must have some talent.

i am not a drummer so this is a genuine question.
his drumming never bothered me. not like they were crazy metal but ya know what i mean.

i was at a bar on the coast and a beatles song came on. this old man (possibly insane) started screaming how they had to bring in a studio in for some of the drum parts cause ringo couldnt hack it. is this true?

im just curious 8-)
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  • CJMST3KCJMST3K Posts: 9,722
    I was on the stage in '97 at Jones Beach when Ringo Starr & Friends played. I'm a drummer too. I found it interesting that Ringo and another drummer were playing "With A Little Help From My Friends". The stops and starts of that song are pretty simple, so I have them committed to memory. I noticed that Ringo was off (even though he recorded the song) but the other drummer was right - so it was weird seeing a drummer who knew the song, and the drummer who wrote the song playing it at the same time, differently... and the original drummer getting his own stuff wrong.

    I think for Beatles stuff he did ok. A number of the early rock drummers just needed to get by, frankly. Look at Rolling Stones. A very basic player, but he fits the music.

    So... yeah, Ringo is technically less talented than most of the drummers who post on this forum.

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  • DewieCoxDewieCox Posts: 11,430
    Didn't John Lennon also say "He's not even the best drummer in the Beatles."?

    Definitely perfect for the job though.
  • Gary CarterGary Carter Posts: 14,067
    his son is a better drummer
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  • musicismylife78musicismylife78 Posts: 6,116
    I hear the same things. Its odd. They are without a doubt the most important band in history. Period. End of discussion. I see no point in trying to talk or be friends with anyone who disagrees with the statement I just made.

    But its odd how completely worshipped John Paul and George are and were. If Paul puts out a record its a big hit and his live shows, even now, are quite legendary.

    You freuently heard and hear talk about how Lennon and Mccartney are two of the best lyricists to ever have walked the face of the earth. And George certainly wasnt too shabby himself. People seem to absolutely adore Something. For that song along he is a legend.

    But I agree, no one seems to see Ringo as a great drummer or a great musician. I can name a number of George solo songs, John solo songs and Paul solo songs, but with Ringo I am at a loss for words. I dont know of any or many solo songs.

    Its odd. How could the best band that ever walked the earth, be made up of three people who are so legendary, and one who has a mediocre at best music career. Its odd too how none of the other so called best bands in history, the Led Zeps or The Who's, The Jimi Hendrix Experience, Pink Floyd's, etc... they are all made up of some of the best musicians that have ever graced any stage, yet none of them have mediocre band members.

    Why is this so with The Beatles?
  • CJMST3KCJMST3K Posts: 9,722
    i still say look at the rolling stones, however Charlie is better than Ringo. once people fell in love with "The Beatles" as four personalities, they couldn't change it. And with Ringo they were successful, so why change?

    i think the other musicians made up for him sucking. :)
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  • megatronmegatron Posts: 3,420
    thanks for the responses.
    seems he sucked but nobody cares cause its ringo :)
  • BinFrogBinFrog MA Posts: 7,309
    Simple answer: He was perfect for The Beatles. They did not need Neil Peart or Buddy Rich.
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  • tybirdtybird Posts: 17,388
    Didn't Clapton do some uncredited guitar work for the Beatles? Does that mean that George Harrison sucked? NO
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  • BinFrogBinFrog MA Posts: 7,309
    tybird wrote:
    Didn't Clapton do some uncredited guitar work for the Beatles? Does that mean that George Harrison sucked? NO


    Credited on WMGGWeeps.
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  • Gary CarterGary Carter Posts: 14,067
    musicismylife78 wrote:
    I hear the same things. Its odd. They are without a doubt the most important band in history. Period. End of discussion. I see no point in trying to talk or be friends with anyone who disagrees with the statement I just made.

    But its odd how completely worshipped John Paul and George are and were. If Paul puts out a record its a big hit and his live shows, even now, are quite legendary.

    You freuently heard and hear talk about how Lennon and Mccartney are two of the best lyricists to ever have walked the face of the earth. And George certainly wasnt too shabby himself. People seem to absolutely adore Something. For that song along he is a legend.

    But I agree, no one seems to see Ringo as a great drummer or a great musician. I can name a number of George solo songs, John solo songs and Paul solo songs, but with Ringo I am at a loss for words. I dont know of any or many solo songs.

    Its odd. How could the best band that ever walked the earth, be made up of three people who are so legendary, and one who has a mediocre at best music career. Its odd too how none of the other so called best bands in history, the Led Zeps or The Who's, The Jimi Hendrix Experience, Pink Floyd's, etc... they are all made up of some of the best musicians that have ever graced any stage, yet none of them have mediocre band members.

    Why is this so with The Beatles?
    there simple rock songs that's why he never gets any credit. Like another poster said, the drummers on this board could probably drum beatles songs. Just beacuse you're the fist band to make it big doesn't mean you're the best. I'd put bout 20 bands ahead of the beatles. Lyric wise there a good band but the actual band itself is nothing special
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  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    I always liked him. He fit the songs well and his understated playing was perfect for the beatles. If he'd been going nuts on fills and stuff, I don't think their albums would sound as good.

    And Tomorrow Never Knows has some of the coolest drums I ever heard on a rock album.
  • CJMST3KCJMST3K Posts: 9,722
    soulsinging wrote:
    And Tomorrow Never Knows has some of the coolest drums I ever heard on a rock album.

    I think the drums, while a simple beat, was perfectly appropriate and unique. It worked.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrf_e6g2 ... re=related
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    CJMST3K wrote:
    soulsinging wrote:
    And Tomorrow Never Knows has some of the coolest drums I ever heard on a rock album.

    I think the drums, while a simple beat, was perfectly appropriate and unique. It worked.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrf_e6g2 ... re=related


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  • philthehipphilthehip Posts: 2,084
    Not really on the subject of him as a drummer but my father was involved in the merseybeat and my uncle worked in the industry. They both told that he was crap by the way. But they both always said that John. Paul and Ringo are all absolute shit heads. George Harrison held god-like status with my father. He was held back bt Paul and Johns huge egos. But this only 2 peoples personal views, but as I said. Both of them said he was a poor drummer and that it was the way John and Paul wanted it? Strange I know
  • tybirdtybird Posts: 17,388
    BinFrog wrote:
    tybird wrote:
    Didn't Clapton do some uncredited guitar work for the Beatles? Does that mean that George Harrison sucked? NO


    Credited on WMGGWeeps.
    Credited then....or now?
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  • DewieCoxDewieCox Posts: 11,430
    tybird wrote:
    BinFrog wrote:
    tybird wrote:
    Didn't Clapton do some uncredited guitar work for the Beatles? Does that mean that George Harrison sucked? NO


    Credited on WMGGWeeps.
    Credited then....or now?

    then
  • philthehipphilthehip Posts: 2,084
    Credited on WMGGWeeps.[/quote]
    Credited then....or now?[/quote]

    Dude that was written by George Harrison
  • i am a targeti am a target Posts: 808
    metsfan wrote:
    musicismylife78 wrote:
    I hear the same things. Its odd. They are without a doubt the most important band in history. Period. End of discussion. I see no point in trying to talk or be friends with anyone who disagrees with the statement I just made.

    But its odd how completely worshipped John Paul and George are and were. If Paul puts out a record its a big hit and his live shows, even now, are quite legendary.

    You freuently heard and hear talk about how Lennon and Mccartney are two of the best lyricists to ever have walked the face of the earth. And George certainly wasnt too shabby himself. People seem to absolutely adore Something. For that song along he is a legend.

    But I agree, no one seems to see Ringo as a great drummer or a great musician. I can name a number of George solo songs, John solo songs and Paul solo songs, but with Ringo I am at a loss for words. I dont know of any or many solo songs.

    Its odd. How could the best band that ever walked the earth, be made up of three people who are so legendary, and one who has a mediocre at best music career. Its odd too how none of the other so called best bands in history, the Led Zeps or The Who's, The Jimi Hendrix Experience, Pink Floyd's, etc... they are all made up of some of the best musicians that have ever graced any stage, yet none of them have mediocre band members.

    Why is this so with The Beatles?
    there simple rock songs that's why he never gets any credit. Like another poster said, the drummers on this board could probably drum beatles songs. Just beacuse you're the fist band to make it big doesn't mean you're the best. I'd put bout 20 bands ahead of the beatles. Lyric wise there a good band but the actual band itself is nothing special

    your logic is flawed. simply because you or i could play the drum parts ringo wrote doesn't mean we're as good of a drummer. imitation is easy. there are a million guys out there that can play hendrix spot on. but are they as innovative as he is? did they invent that sound or that style? no. i can drum led zeppelin. but i wouldn't for a second think i was as good as bonzo. he wrote those parts. being a creative musician is far far far different then repeating what someone else has done.

    go read ringo's wikipedia.
  • 12345AGNST112345AGNST1 Posts: 4,906
    CJMST3K wrote:
    CJMST3K wrote:
    soulsinging wrote:
    And Tomorrow Never Knows has some of the coolest drums I ever heard on a rock album.

    I think the drums, while a simple beat, was perfectly appropriate and unique. It worked.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrf_e6g2 ... re=related


    And if you open the song in 2 windows and play them at the same volume, but just 1/2 a second apart, it makes it better! Give it a try.

    holy shit! so trippy.
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  • BinFrogBinFrog MA Posts: 7,309
    philthehip wrote:
    Dude that was written by George Harrison

    I never said it wasn't. But Clapton plays the lead part.
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  • DewieCoxDewieCox Posts: 11,430
    BinFrog wrote:
    philthehip wrote:
    Dude that was written by George Harrison

    I never said it wasn't. But Clapton plays the lead part.

    I'm not sure if he's credited on newer releases of it, but nobody is listed in the record.

    I'm not sure how crediting works when somebody just steps in to take a solo, but it's not a case where people found out Clapton played it after the Beatles had tried to play it off like George played the solo or anything similar.
  • PoncierPoncier Posts: 17,385
    Macca in some of the later recording sessions would return to the studio at night and redo the drums, never telling Ringo, according to legend.
    I think Ringo's personality eclipsed his skill level.
    Its not to say he was a bad drummer, just average, and certainly skill wise eclipsed by many of his contemporaries (and don't sell Charlie Watts short) and most of today's successful drummers, including his son Zak, who is damn good.
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  • CJMST3KCJMST3K Posts: 9,722
    12345AGNST1 wrote:
    CJMST3K wrote:
    CJMST3K wrote:
    I think the drums, while a simple beat, was perfectly appropriate and unique. It worked.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrf_e6g2 ... re=related


    And if you open the song in 2 windows and play them at the same volume, but just 1/2 a second apart, it makes it better! Give it a try.

    holy shit! so trippy.

    told ya! it sounds trippy with regular stuff... and more so on that song.
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  • philthehipphilthehip Posts: 2,084
    BinFrog wrote:
    philthehip wrote:
    Dude that was written by George Harrison

    I never said it wasn't. But Clapton plays the lead part.

    George had played it few times to John and Paul and they typically didnt like it. He after a while asked Eric Clapton to play lead while he looked after rhythm and vocals. It was his original version that was used on the recent album "Love"
  • mookeywrenchmookeywrench Posts: 5,954
    metsfan wrote:
    his son is a better drummer

    yeah, if he had anything to do with the training of Zack Starrkey (SP??) I would say Ringo has some talent.
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  • CJMST3KCJMST3K Posts: 9,722
    mookeywrench wrote:
    metsfan wrote:
    his son is a better drummer

    yeah, if he had anything to do with the training of Zack Starrkey (SP??) I would say Ringo has some talent.

    funny you mention that. i was watching last night the Biography of The Who, and it looks like Keith Moon was involved in Zack's learning how to play drums. also according to wiki Keith bought Zack his first pro drumset. Zack became The Who's fourth drummer.
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    CJMST3K wrote:
    mookeywrench wrote:
    metsfan wrote:
    his son is a better drummer

    yeah, if he had anything to do with the training of Zack Starrkey (SP??) I would say Ringo has some talent.

    funny you mention that. i was watching last night the Biography of The Who, and it looks like Keith Moon was involved in Zack's learning how to play drums. also according to wiki Keith bought Zack his first pro drumset. Zack became The Who's fourth drummer.
    From what I've read, Zack idolized Keith Moon and it's very evident in the way he plays. I saw him with The Who years ago and he was crazy good -- perfect fit with Townshend, Daltry, and Entwistle!

    As for Ringo, I think he was the perfect drummer for the Beatles. I'm not a drummer but I do think he gets somewhat of a bum rap for not being good and/or innovative. I can't source it now, but I have read sentiments from reputable people that Ringo is a lot better and innovative than generally credited. Also as mentioned before, McCartney being a control freak and subbing his drum tracks for Ringo's probably went a long way in perpetuating this way of thinking.
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  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,941
    RACE THAT CANT BE WON wrote:
    i always hear people calling him the luckiest guy in the world to get and keep his gig with the beatles.
    but is he really that bad?

    i just watched the vh1 classic doc type thing on plastic ono band and they had the producer playing ringos fills and he was raving about him and how he never does the same fill..ever. then ringo elaborated and so forth about his art.
    i mean lennon liked him enough to invite over to his solo album he must have some talent.

    i am not a drummer so this is a genuine question.
    his drumming never bothered me. not like they were crazy metal but ya know what i mean.

    i was at a bar on the coast and a beatles song came on. this old man (possibly insane) started screaming how they had to bring in a studio in for some of the drum parts cause ringo couldnt hack it. is this true?

    im just curious 8-)


    Ringo's great. Check Strawberry Fields Forever and Helter Skelter for proof.
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  • springsteenfanspringsteenfan Posts: 383
    Since all the Beatles sucked,then yes, that means Ringo sucks too!
  • philthehipphilthehip Posts: 2,084
    springsteenfan wrote:
    Since all the Beatles sucked,then yes, that means Ringo sucks too!

    Your comment is very black and white but your not a million miles off the mark. most of their stuff was pop nonsense but Sgt. Pepper was amazing
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