Should the government be forcing people to let people poo?
darthvedder81
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I have IBS so I know first-hand how much it sucks to not be able to find a bathroom when you have to poo, but do I want the state forcing businesses to let people into employee only areas? Hell no. God love you Mr. McCready but there's a larger principle at stake here.
If a company doesn't let you use there bathroom in an emergency you have one awesome free-market recourse: stop buying their shit (rather than making them take yours).
If a company doesn't let you use there bathroom in an emergency you have one awesome free-market recourse: stop buying their shit (rather than making them take yours).
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the governement 'forced' all establishments to be wheelchair accessible so that those with said disability were not discriminated against by not having access. i think the same holds true here. it is a disability. there is a pressing need, one that cannot always be planned for in advance, therefore said people need access to restrooms. i always thought it was criminal to not have restrooms for the public in ALL retail/public spaces, period.
yes one can choose to support certain establishments and not others....but again, a need is a need....and sometimes when inconvenient, that need arises. sometimes in places you'd rather not frequent, but you gotta do what you gotta do. also why restrooms are meant to be handicap accessible as well. not just for those in wheelchairs, but also so that the general, able-bodies public leaves them free for those with disabilities, b/c sometimes, said disabilities have pressing needs NOW and cannot wait.
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Or are we talking about establishments without public restrooms? I think that businesses above a certain size/customer level should have to have a public restroom... (there probably already are laws about this).
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What is the alternative? Pissing and shitting at the dumpster in the back of the pizza joint? Maybe in his parking lot?
That piss and shit has to go somewhere, right? Would the pizza owner rather clean up the bathroom... or shovel the shit by his trash can? His call.
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I disagree. I mean if you are a business and you open up your restroom to anyone who wants to use it you are going to be spending a lot more time and money cleaning and restocking your restrooms. Plus if you aren't able to keep your restrooms clean, it is going to drive away paying customers (especially if you are a restaurant). So if I am a business owner why should I be stuck with extra costs and a possibility of losing actual customers just because someone couldn't be bothered to go to the washroom before leaving their house. And if the government wants people to have more washroom access, why don't they build more public washrooms.
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I believe this need for immediate access to a restroom goes far beyond someone forgetting to go potty before they leave home. Because of this statement, I'm guessing that you might not be familiar with the CCFA and the plight of those suffering with IBS. Due to the embarrassing nature of IBS/Crohn's disease, it's not something often discussed. But it should be, so that understanding and compassion can be extended to those suffering from this disease.
I was also under the impression that those with IBS will be carrying some sort of doctor's note identifying them as needing access to restrooms above and beyond those of us who couldn't be bothered to do our bathroom business at home.
I don't quite understand how allowing IBS sufferers access to employee restrooms could cause a business to lose actual customers. Sorry if I misunderstood that point.
You would really shit in a trashcan? Put the bottle down bro
and hey...i DO understand the idea of how filthy restrooms can get, etc, etc......but this is discussing people with a disease...people who absolutely NEED to have access to restrooms when they are absolutely necessary......i think there can be a balance between both.
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So if it is that big a problem why not build pubilc washrooms in parks and on sidewalks. I just don't like the idea that business owners by law have to let people use a private washroom, since maintaining a public washroom costs money. I mean why not pass a law that if someone knocks on the door of your house you must let them use your washroom?
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why make establishements have wheelchair accessible bathrooms, ramps for wheelchairs, etc? they are public places...privately owned, but public places.....so why not make another law to allow access to someone with this disability? just like gas stations has restrooms with keys, i don't see why the restroom necessarily has to be OPEN to the public, meaning anyone just waltzes in...and i also don't know if this law is stating that indeed they be open to all, or to be open to those in need? i think it does make a difference. thing is, the restrooms are there, why should more be built when one could just use the ones already in existence? these privately owned businesses benefit from the public, my personal home does not...so not exactly the same comparison. i just think if you at all support the need for businesses to accomodate those with disabilites - which i do - i don't see how you can be against it here.
i see now this has already been asked and answered....
that's what i thought, just like a handicap parking access pass....and i agree whole-heartedly.
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If you had carefully read the article, you would understand that this is not a law allowing private business restrooms to open it up to the public, it simply allows individuals with the illness/disability to obtain a "pass" or gov. issued permission slip if you will that lets them use the bathroom - in other words, proving they have the disability giving access to the bathroom if in need when out in public. It's kind of like giving out handicapped parking passes. This isn't a law that opens private restrooms to the public. I think it's great, and I commend Mike for his efforts.
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But most places that have staff only washrooms, aren't typically big enough where the washrooms are required to be accessible. I mean in most small businees aren't even required to have separate bathrooms for each sex unless they get over a certain size. Plus if it becomes law that every public business has to provide things like toilet paper and a clean washroom for those with a disability hhy not make a law that every business has to keep a supply of needles just incase a diabetic comes in? Places like restaurants are required to have washrooms, but I don't have any problem with those being customer washrooms only, I just don't like the idea that any random business has to have a washroom available for public use.
Plus as far as the home thing, what about small business like say a family run corner store or hair salon, where the store is built into a house and the staff washroom is the owner's house. How would you deal with that situation? Or what about businesses where the staff washroom is in an employees only area where you don't really want the public going for security or safety reasons?
Hmmmm... actually... I'd pretend I was going to order a pizza and ask, "Where's the restroom?", then split.
But, seriously... if the only two alternatives are shitting in a trash can or shitting in my pants... I think i'm gonna have to go with the Trash Can.
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it seems to me you apoparently keep skipping over the information in posts that provide you with some answers. this bill is NOT to allow ALL access to all washrooms for ALL people. it will be quite limited, to only those who it is deemed 'medically necessary' to have full and complete access to restrooms. chrohn's and colitis sufferers, and perhpas others.....while growing in #s, really aren't THAt huge a segment of the population that the average small business owner will be effected much, and perhaps not at all. i ould be surprised if every single business owner was even affected by this even once a day. sure, in bigger cities, higher population densities and thus more peoply around with these disabilities might get hit moreso, but even so....i highly, highly doubt it will have any great impact on their restroom supplies or cleaning. as to a stor built into a house....i have no idea what the rules will be. if you are that concerned with the absolute specifics of it, i suggest you research the bill. personally, outside of extremely rural areas with no other public restrooms to hit up, i'd imagine the average person with the proper ID to request use of a non-public restroom could manage to hit up the store next door. i think it's a GOOD thing, as a whole, to have compassion for those suffering a disability, and yes, given those with the proper documentation access to something they NEED, a restroom, is a small but important thing. it's sad this even has to be mandated.
btw - y0our diabetic scenario makes no sense. :?
diabetics can essily manage to carry around their medication. no one is suggesting that people with disabilities give up their own personal responsibility for managing their own health. those who NEED this access to restrooms ARE managing their health, and there currently is NOTHING they can do about needing a restroom RIGHT NOW...so yea, if they could carry a restroom in their pocket at all times, i'm sure they prefer it rather than having to ask a storeowner to permit access to a restroom, or showing ID that it is medically necessary, but it IS medically necessary for such people, such disabilities. perhaps also read up on these diseases and you too will understand the whys of it.
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It my experience it seems people treat public bathrooms pretty badly because people know they don't have to clean up after themselves. I see your point that there would only be a small population using these bathrooms, but why would you automatically assume just because someone has a disability they would treat a bathroom that wasn't their own with respect when it seems the general population for the most part doesn't?
Plus I think the safety and security issue is a huge one that can't be easily overlooked. My wife works in a store where to access the staff washroom you have to walk through the stockroom full of merchandise. A lot of the times there is only 1 staff person working. So if you were to allow someone access to the stockroom, they could literally clean the store out, and since there is only one person working closing the store to escort someone to the washroom is not an option. I on the other hand have worked for business where the staff washrooms are in areas where it is not really safe for the public to be walking around in so how would that be dealt with, do you really want people walking around in warehouses or other areas where the public really hasn't been trained to be. Seems like a lawsuit waiting to happen. It seems like a law like this is the kind of thing that is way easier said than done and puts a bunch of new expenses and responsibilities on business owners.
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That is my thinking as well... if it's a customer-only restroom, and a non-customer needs to use it, then I'm fine with that.
But in small shops that don't a customer restroom, forcing them to let any customer use a staff restroom creates all sorts of other issues (both in liability and exposure to theft/attacks). I actually thought about this thread yesterday on the way home when stopping at a dry cleaners... small place with a tiny area in front of the counter. i didn't see a bathroom, but assumed that there was one in the back somewhere... I can't imagine them letting someone go through the cleaning area with all of the chemicals and steam equipment and all that stuff to use a restroom.
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