well, i disagree about the daycare center assessment. 10 years of teaching, and the students were learning, not just being babysat. i was and still am continually amazed at how much can be accomplished with so little time, and at times, too little funding. the administrative issues are and probably will always be, some sort of 'issue'......but i salso think, especially within public education, somewhere....'standards' to some degree are necessary to measure learning. obviously, i think it all began with the best of intentions, and went awry somewhere.
in regards to funding, in my area anyway...i think far too much money is thrown at schools, perhaps the wrong schools....and more speciafically, thrown at the wrong things. like so much else, there is so much waste. many of the top districts in the country are in my area, but we also have a few low performing schools too. is it the schools, the parents, the funding.....?...it's all so complex. however, when over 65% of my already inflated property taxes is going specifically in support of public schools "more money" isn't necessarily the answer imo. also, our teachers are some of the highest paid in the nation. no, it's still not a BIG paying position, especially for the education requirements, but most of us went into it knowing that, accepting that, realizing the other 'good' in the profession. i have moved on since, but the $$$ wasn't the issue. anyhoo, with many things, i don;t think $$$ alone is the answer, at all. for some schools and some areas, absolutely.....but it's not the end-all, be-all.
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The Day Care comment was directed towards parents... who drop off their kids at school to basically get rid of them for a few hours.
And you don't teach in California... do you?
We went from First in Education to 48th... thank God for Mississippi.
A couple of huge blows to the system... the Centralization of education in the state Capital... and Prop. 13.
Talk to your California peers about the system we've got here... and if you can get a hold of an LAUSD teacher, ask them.
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Hail, Hail!!!
well, i disagree about the daycare center assessment. 10 years of teaching, and the students were learning, not just being babysat. i was and still am continually amazed at how much can be accomplished with so little time, and at times, too little funding. the administrative issues are and probably will always be, some sort of 'issue'......but i salso think, especially within public education, somewhere....'standards' to some degree are necessary to measure learning. obviously, i think it all began with the best of intentions, and went awry somewhere.
in regards to funding, in my area anyway...i think far too much money is thrown at schools, perhaps the wrong schools....and more speciafically, thrown at the wrong things. like so much else, there is so much waste. many of the top districts in the country are in my area, but we also have a few low performing schools too. is it the schools, the parents, the funding.....?...it's all so complex. however, when over 65% of my already inflated property taxes is going specifically in support of public schools "more money" isn't necessarily the answer imo. also, our teachers are some of the highest paid in the nation. no, it's still not a BIG paying position, especially for the education requirements, but most of us went into it knowing that, accepting that, realizing the other 'good' in the profession. i have moved on since, but the $$$ wasn't the issue. anyhoo, with many things, i don;t think $$$ alone is the answer, at all. for some schools and some areas, absolutely.....but it's not the end-all, be-all.
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The Day Care comment was directed towards parents... who drop off their kids at school to basically get rid of them for a few hours.
And you don't teach in California... do you?
We went from First in Education to 48th... thank God for Mississippi.
A couple of huge blows to the system... the Centralization of education in the state Capital... and Prop. 13.
Talk to your California peers about the system we've got here... and if you can get a hold of an LAUSD teacher, ask them.
oh well then, alrighty.......i thought it was about the teachers.
and no, i don't....and for the record, i am not teaching anymore. thought i said as much earlier. however, i taught for 10 years in NYS, so no experience with any other state systems. not saying we're top of the charts here, but in my geographic area of the state, we were/are pretty up there...but even so, there are schools that are lacking. belive me, i am certainly not suggesting our system is *great*....not by a long-shot and there is much to do, absolutely!
so if big evil capitilism is the source of Americans problems, what system should we adopt?
and your little rant about American education system is a fucking joke.
american education is a joke, not the rant.
we need a fundamental shift in motivation. as it is greed is the motivator....do well -get paid right?
if it were a more realistic and natural instinct motivating labor, and an education system that reflected that, I think we could almost eliminate crime and drug use. Get people wanting to participate in the system, not because they need to get paid, or not JUST to get paid, but because everyone in the community will be better off if they/we do our jobs well. in order for that to exist, people need to see a percentage of that labor...if miners pull $10 million out of a silver mine, why should 1 individual or a group of investors benefit from their labor? resources need to benefit the communities from which they are extracted in order to plant the seed for the motivating idea that labor benefits the community.
well............it is the blanket statements such as these that are the problem.
good move. that way you don't have to deal with ANY of it.
as an educator of the public school system, i see doors open for kids who are normally marginalized. and to address your point of being in highschool and learning capitals, where did you attend highschool? the learning of capitals is a third grade standard in our district.
capitols may have been a poor example. I did learn them in junior high though. should be 3rd grade.. sandpoint idaho was where i went to school. not all my teachers were like that , had some good ones. but that was a standard way of teaching, just listing memorized BS. but it was a small town, and there were some old teachers most of my teachers were over 50. very little critical thinking was going on though. and maybe thats more of the small-town, traditional teaching methods, i don't know. maybe it depends on the teacher. I am only using my own experience as an example, but i have had extensive conversations with my sister in law about this, she's a teacher in seattle.
its about motivation at its core. what methods to you use to get kids to WANT to learn the subject? fear of punishment? fear of failure? or hope? hope of getting big money? of being "successful"? there are other ways. like actually wanting to learn for the sake of learning, because at its core they know that that knowledge can be used in the future to benefit their community, and ultimately themselves.
but that takes a fundamental shift in our nations's economic system. its long way away.
well............it is the blanket statements such as these that are the problem.
good move. that way you don't have to deal with ANY of it.
as an educator of the public school system, i see doors open for kids who are normally marginalized. and to address your point of being in highschool and learning capitals, where did you attend highschool? the learning of capitals is a third grade standard in our district.
capitols may have been a poor example. I did learn them in junior high though. should be 3rd grade.. sandpoint idaho was where i went to school. not all my teachers were like that , had some good ones. but that was a standard way of teaching, just listing memorized BS. but it was a small town, and there were some old teachers most of my teachers were over 50. very little critical thinking was going on though. and maybe thats more of the small-town, traditional teaching methods, i don't know. maybe it depends on the teacher. I am only using my own experience as an example, but i have had extensive conversations with my sister in law about this, she's a teacher in seattle.
its about motivation at its core. what methods to you use to get kids to WANT to learn the subject? fear of punishment? fear of failure? or hope? hope of getting big money? of being "successful"? there are other ways. like actually wanting to learn for the sake of learning, because at its core they know that that knowledge can be used in the future to benefit their community, and ultimately themselves.
but that takes a fundamental shift in our nations's economic system. its long way away.
i deal with blanket statements each day.........unfortunately, they are presented by adults, who usually are not in the classroom.
i will defend our public education system, due to the fact, i try to empower each student who enters my classroom, not just the select few who can afford an education.
as for motivation.........i simply start each day with a simple statement.
me: "why do i want you to be smart?"
student(s): "so stupid people will not be able to take advantage of me."
it is that simple.
almost forgot.............there are some people teaching that are doing harm. sucks.
i call them "know it nothings"...........they are the ones who were picked last at recess and now are in positions of authority. sucks.
live and let live...unless it violates the pearligious doctrine.
After thinking about it today at work, I don't think people realize how young our country is.
On some days, it really blows my mind. Maybe it's me growing older, but I feel we have become so much more desensitized since the 90's. [I'm 20, fwiw] Again, maybe it's because i'm not 6 years old and not afraid of a dark basement anymore, etc.
I also feel like our society in general is too proud, and we want to run with things and the way they are instead of trying to change it. Yeah that's not mind blowing, i know, but still.
I agree with the poster who said we are always competing, looking out for number 1, in a greed based society. I don't know what it is, but it seems like something has made us so much more content than we once were. [Again, maybe growing up some changes perspective] So is that fear? Us being afraid to stop a teen/twenty something from acting out their sense of entitlement for fear of being shot? Or fear of confrontation? [Fight Club- 'pussification' of america?]
The 'digital age', perhaps?
I know I would be so bored as a kid, we would invent tons of games, go outside and explore, watch how people act,...thousands of things. Now if a kid gets bored it's so easy to get online and play games or surf and before you know it, 3 hours have passed by. Seriously, it's easy for that to happen. I am so, so very glad to grow up in a time where a computer or texting a friend wasn't a viable option to keep me entertained.
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The Day Care comment was directed towards parents... who drop off their kids at school to basically get rid of them for a few hours.
And you don't teach in California... do you?
We went from First in Education to 48th... thank God for Mississippi.
A couple of huge blows to the system... the Centralization of education in the state Capital... and Prop. 13.
Talk to your California peers about the system we've got here... and if you can get a hold of an LAUSD teacher, ask them.
Hail, Hail!!!
oh well then, alrighty.......i thought it was about the teachers.
and no, i don't....and for the record, i am not teaching anymore. thought i said as much earlier. however, i taught for 10 years in NYS, so no experience with any other state systems. not saying we're top of the charts here, but in my geographic area of the state, we were/are pretty up there...but even so, there are schools that are lacking. belive me, i am certainly not suggesting our system is *great*....not by a long-shot and there is much to do, absolutely!
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
we need a fundamental shift in motivation. as it is greed is the motivator....do well -get paid right?
if it were a more realistic and natural instinct motivating labor, and an education system that reflected that, I think we could almost eliminate crime and drug use. Get people wanting to participate in the system, not because they need to get paid, or not JUST to get paid, but because everyone in the community will be better off if they/we do our jobs well. in order for that to exist, people need to see a percentage of that labor...if miners pull $10 million out of a silver mine, why should 1 individual or a group of investors benefit from their labor? resources need to benefit the communities from which they are extracted in order to plant the seed for the motivating idea that labor benefits the community.
libertarian socialism, to answer your question/.
good move. that way you don't have to deal with ANY of it.
capitols may have been a poor example. I did learn them in junior high though. should be 3rd grade.. sandpoint idaho was where i went to school. not all my teachers were like that , had some good ones. but that was a standard way of teaching, just listing memorized BS. but it was a small town, and there were some old teachers most of my teachers were over 50. very little critical thinking was going on though. and maybe thats more of the small-town, traditional teaching methods, i don't know. maybe it depends on the teacher. I am only using my own experience as an example, but i have had extensive conversations with my sister in law about this, she's a teacher in seattle.
its about motivation at its core. what methods to you use to get kids to WANT to learn the subject? fear of punishment? fear of failure? or hope? hope of getting big money? of being "successful"? there are other ways. like actually wanting to learn for the sake of learning, because at its core they know that that knowledge can be used in the future to benefit their community, and ultimately themselves.
but that takes a fundamental shift in our nations's economic system. its long way away.
i will defend our public education system, due to the fact, i try to empower each student who enters my classroom, not just the select few who can afford an education.
as for motivation.........i simply start each day with a simple statement.
me: "why do i want you to be smart?"
student(s): "so stupid people will not be able to take advantage of me."
it is that simple.
almost forgot.............there are some people teaching that are doing harm. sucks.
i call them "know it nothings"...........they are the ones who were picked last at recess and now are in positions of authority. sucks.
On some days, it really blows my mind. Maybe it's me growing older, but I feel we have become so much more desensitized since the 90's. [I'm 20, fwiw] Again, maybe it's because i'm not 6 years old and not afraid of a dark basement anymore, etc.
I also feel like our society in general is too proud, and we want to run with things and the way they are instead of trying to change it. Yeah that's not mind blowing, i know, but still.
I agree with the poster who said we are always competing, looking out for number 1, in a greed based society. I don't know what it is, but it seems like something has made us so much more content than we once were. [Again, maybe growing up some changes perspective] So is that fear? Us being afraid to stop a teen/twenty something from acting out their sense of entitlement for fear of being shot? Or fear of confrontation? [Fight Club- 'pussification' of america?]
The 'digital age', perhaps?
I know I would be so bored as a kid, we would invent tons of games, go outside and explore, watch how people act,...thousands of things. Now if a kid gets bored it's so easy to get online and play games or surf and before you know it, 3 hours have passed by. Seriously, it's easy for that to happen. I am so, so very glad to grow up in a time where a computer or texting a friend wasn't a viable option to keep me entertained.
Maybe the kid was missing a few screws to begin with?
Which goes a long way to explain why his math skills told him that to go on a 'Killing Spree' to 'Kill them All' he needed to take 4 bullets.
Hail, Hail!!!