How to end terrorism

Commy

Here's why the terrorists are fighting, according to Osama bin Laden (number 1 bad guy right?)

Osama Bin Laden wrote:

Why are we fighting and opposing you? The answer is very simple:

(1) Because you attacked us and continue to attack us.

a) You attacked us in Palestine:

(b) You attacked us in Somalia; you supported the Russian atrocities against us in Chechnya, the Indian oppression against us in Kashmir, and the Jewish aggression against us in Lebanon.

(c) Under your supervision, consent and orders, the governments of our countries which act as your agents, attack us on a daily basis;

(d) You steal our wealth and oil at paltry prices because of you international influence and military threats. This theft is indeed the biggest theft ever witnessed by mankind in the history of the world.

(e) Your forces occupy our countries; you spread your military bases throughout them; you corrupt our lands, and you besiege our sanctities, to protect the security of the Jews and to ensure the continuity of your pillage of our treasures.

(f) You have starved the Muslims of Iraq, where children die every day. It is a wonder that more than 1.5 million Iraqi children have died as a result of your sanctions, and you did not show concern. Yet when 3000 of your people died, the entire world rises and has not yet sat down.

(g) You have supported the Jews in their idea that Jerusalem is their eternal capital, and agreed to move your embassy there. With your help and under your protection, the Israelis are planning to destroy the Al-Aqsa mosque. Under the protection of your weapons, Sharon entered the Al-Aqsa mosque, to pollute it as a preparation to capture and destroy it.




[the list goes on for some time}

The list of grievances is legitimate. How they have chosen to deal with them is not, ie violence and terrorism and killing, that's counterproductive, not to mention the moralilty of it. So I suggest dealing with these grievances, and a likely scenario could emerge, one where the motivation for terrorism no longer exists, one where terrorism no longer exists.


Here's how to do that.

Step 1
End support for Israel's racists Zionist regime. Stop arming murderers.

Step 2
Pay reparations for wars and conflicts the West started. Rebuild countries like Iraq, not with companies like Haliburton, but with local contractors...ie, give the locals the contracts the money, not another American corporation. (all over the world this needs to be done)

Step 3
End support for dictators in Arab countries. Places like Suadi Arabia and Turkey. Stop arming murderers, again.

Step 4
Get US troops the fuck out of Mecca-Islam's holiest site. And get them out of Arab countries altogether.

Step 5
Support human rights and aid groups officially-donate tax dollars to feed Africa foundations, things like that. US policy is responsible for the plight of many people starving and dying around the world, US policy should reconcile that.







End the motivation for terrorism, that's how you end terrorism. Not with guns.

Anon

So do what bin Laden wants? Great. Do you always fold at cards too?

Byrnzie

JB811 wrote:

So do what bin Laden wants? Great. Do you always fold at cards too?

Take Bin Laden out of the equation. Do you agree that his points are valid, or not?

Cosmo

Put the shoe on the other foot... and see how it fits.
Imagine... there is an Arab Superpower that believes we lead decadent lives in America. We worship money and peddle pornography all over the world. We are far from God and need to get closer to Him so our lives will have meaning... purpose.
They come across from the other side of the globe to save us. They believe that if we worshiped God.. prayed 5 times each day, instead of a couple of hours on Sunday... it would be our salvation and we would all be much better off. They impose their ideology on us... and occupy our holiest site... which would be what... Las Vegas, maybe? They do not understand our culture, our religions or our language. All they know is that we'd be better off... if we were only like them.
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How would you react to that?
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Me? I'd probably run around, blowing up their guys in the streets of my home town. So, what am I? A Patriot? An Insurgent? A Terrorist?

fuck

If a house is on fire, just add some gasoline. Eventually, the whole house will just burn and it won't be a problem anymore.

musicismylife78

great post. finally someone posts some sense.

As I said before, we should have listened to their demands from the start. The demands have been extremely well thought out and coherent even in 1997 and 1998 when Bin Laden talked about similar things to an ABC news anchor

musicismylife78

As I said before, Ward Churchill summed it up:

Dont kill our babies and we wont kill you.

Its been simple from the start. People try to make it out to be some huge equation, wracking their brains, "how do we end terrorism"?

The answers simple: stop bombing other countries, Stop acting like deaths of iraqis are meaningless. Stop globalization. Stop capitalism and consumerism. Stop Imperialism. And stop civilization.

jlew24asu

maybe we can throw in a week at the four seasons for bin laden too, he must be getting sick of cave life

jlew24asu

musicismylife78 wrote:

And stop civilization.

what a fucking genius you are

Anon

musicismylife78 wrote:

great post. finally someone posts some sense.

As I said before, we should have listened to their demands from the start. The demands have been extremely well thought out and coherent even in 1997 and 1998 when Bin Laden talked about similar things to an ABC news anchor

Do you have two brains cells that can interact? This may possibly be the most hilarious post I've read this year anywhere.

Anyone that thinks bin Laden is right, or can be reasoned with is a fool. A fool that would be beheaded in an instant so you could be the headline on al-jazeera.

Anon

Byrnzie wrote:

JB811 wrote:

So do what bin Laden wants? Great. Do you always fold at cards too?

Take Bin Laden out of the equation. Do you agree that his points are valid, or not?

Do you mean points as in crashing passenger jets into buildings killing thousands of civilians?

TriumphantAngel

jlew24asu wrote:

maybe we can throw in a week at the four seasons for bin laden too, he must be getting sick of cave life

or maybe we could've just given him a lazy few billion to buy four seasons period. we seem to have an endless supply of money apparently. imagine the money we would have saved. gosh.

polaris_x

uhhh ... we at A Moving Train listed these grievances as the root cause of terrorism YEARS ago ...

good to see that typical responses - no one actually trying to dispute the points rather insulting one's intelligence as a counter ... nice ...

jlew24asu

Commy, can you post a link to the source of your buddy's list of grievances?

FiveB247x

Regardless of whether your talking about terrorism, human rights, arms dealings or supporting undemocratic nations, if we want to live in a world of peace, justice and equality, we must stop contributing to these problems. Our continual fueling the fire whether as aggitators or retailiators doesn't matter, we must stop and push forth global efforts for all to do follow our lead. Whether you agree or disagree with our morality or noble efforts (or lack their of), participating is furthering the problems, not fixing them.

Cosmo

FiveB247x wrote:

Regardless of whether your talking about terrorism, human rights, arms dealings or supporting undemocratic nations, if we want to live in a world of peace, justice and equality, we must stop contributing to these problems. Our continual fueling the fire whether as aggitators or retailiators doesn't matter, we must stop and push forth global efforts for all to do follow our lead. Whether you agree or disagree with our morality or noble efforts (or lack their of), participating is furthering the problems, not fixing them.

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A great, simply put, reasoned and logical point.

OffHeGoes29

Its good to voice your opinion on important topics, but I'm sure glad no elected offical or the majority of voting America shares your view on this one.

VINNY GOOMBA

Adopting non-interventionist foreign policy would be the United States acting with our own best interests in mind, not Bin Laden's.

Sludge Factory

VINNY GOOMBA wrote:

Adopting non-interventionist foreign policy would be the United States acting with our own best interests in mind, not Bin Laden's.

It used to work so well too. Until we started funding other people's wars...starting with the World Wars.

Cosmo

Sludge Factory wrote:

VINNY GOOMBA wrote:

Adopting non-interventionist foreign policy would be the United States acting with our own best interests in mind, not Bin Laden's.

It used to work so well too. Until we started funding other people's wars...starting with the World Wars.

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Exactly. We were warned about 'Foriegn Entanglements' a long time ago. It is different than Foriegn Trade or Foriegn Investments... it's more about our government getting involve with the domestic policies of Forign Nations.
There's a reason why Japan imports a ton of oil a day from the Middle East... and don't show up on Terrorist Hit lists. It's because they just buy the fucking oil and don't try to tell them how they should run their governments.

Commy

jlew24asu wrote:

Commy, can you post a link to the source of your buddy's list of grievances?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/nov/24/theobserver