South????????

NoloadNoload Monticello, Georgia Posts: 1,634
edited July 2009 in The Porch
Do you think they will come east of Austin? I've heard 'west coast and south' mentioned before by I think Mike or Jeff, but noticed Rubysdad made no mention of the South. What to do regarding CHI??????
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  • PearlJamPatriotPearlJamPatriot Posts: 2,426
    I havent heard anything of them going east of Austin. Doesnt look like it this year. But you never know.
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  • mfc2006mfc2006 HTOWN Posts: 37,484
    my guess would be that the South, Midwest & East will get shows next year. not a ton of them, but enough. just my guess. 8-)
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  • justamjustam Posts: 21,412
    Well, once I get down to Florida, they'll have to come South more often.

    I'll start a campaign like people did before! :mrgreen:
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  • I sure hope so, I mean excluding SC and FL, nashville, atlanta, birmingham, louisville, new orleans haven't had a show in 6 years, I think we are due
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  • silver39silver39 Columbus, Ohio Posts: 1,346
    mfc2006 wrote:
    my guess would be that the South, Midwest & East will get shows next year. not a ton of them, but enough. just my guess. 8-)


    Ed said in an interview earlier this year that no 2010 touring because someone in the band was having a baby...so sorry no tour :-(
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  • mfc2006mfc2006 HTOWN Posts: 37,484
    silver39 wrote:
    mfc2006 wrote:
    my guess would be that the South, Midwest & East will get shows next year. not a ton of them, but enough. just my guess. 8-)


    Ed said in an interview earlier this year that no 2010 touring because someone in the band was having a baby...so sorry no tour :-(

    true, but i think they will do a small US tour to support the new record. i can't imagine them having a new record out & not playing some shows, especially the larger markets (NYC, Boston, LA, etc). if that means that they don't tour until summer 2010, then so be it.
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  • GoGatorsGoGators Posts: 40
    im pretty sure they are going to play more shows.......they just need to give the festivals some time to sell more tickets......thats all......
  • megatronmegatron Posts: 3,420
    ehhh..i dont think so .
    we got a few last year so i dont think so.
    didn't they exclude the west last time around? sems fair if so
  • GoGatorsGoGators Posts: 40
    ehhh..i dont think so .
    we got a few last year so i dont think so.
    didn't they exclude the west last time around? sems fair if so


    true........but they need to play Atlanta.......even Eddie is playing Atlanta ...
  • megatronmegatron Posts: 3,420
    AG105115 wrote:
    ehhh..i dont think so .
    we got a few last year so i dont think so.
    didn't they exclude the west last time around? sems fair if so


    true........but they need to play Atlanta.......even Eddie is playing Atlanta ...

    yea i wish they would. atlanta is usually my cut off point for driving to shows
  • slightofjeffslightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    silver39 wrote:
    mfc2006 wrote:
    my guess would be that the South, Midwest & East will get shows next year. not a ton of them, but enough. just my guess. 8-)


    Ed said in an interview earlier this year that no 2010 touring because someone in the band was having a baby...so sorry no tour :-(

    They've toured with kids before. Don't see why this would be any different. I think Ed is yanking your chain.
    everybody wants the most they can possibly get
    for the least they could possibly do
  • DeadmanDeadman Posts: 795
    Not to say what is or will happen in 2010, but at least a couple members have said no US in 2010 and that the fall mini-run would coincide with the new album due in Sept.-ish. They seem to have laid it out pretty straight.
  • LukinFanLukinFan Florida Posts: 29,070
    one thing that I learned from the 06 tour- if you wait for them to come near you (the south) you'll miss out on a lot of great shows
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    2000: Charlotte, Tampa
    2003: Tampa, Atlanta, Phoenix
    2004: Kissimmee
    2008: West Palm Beach, Bonnaroo, Columbia
    2010: MSG2
    2012: Music Midtown
    2014: Memphis
    2016: Ft. Lauderdale, Miami, Jacksonville, JazzFest
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  • PearlJamPatriotPearlJamPatriot Posts: 2,426
    LukinFan wrote:
    one thing that I learned from the 06 tour- if you wait for them to come near you (the south) you'll miss out on a lot of great shows
    Exactly. Thats why I pulled the trigger on Toronto tickets, even though its 7 1/s hrs away.
    Pearl Jam Shows: 1998 - 9/11 New York, NY (MSG night 2); 9/13 Hartford, CT || 2000 - 8/24 Wantagh, NY (Jones Beach 2); 8/27 Saratoga Springs; 8/29 Mansfield, MA (night 1); 8/30 Mansfield, MA (night 2) || 2003 - 4/29 Albany, NY; 5/3 State College, PA; 7/2 Mansfield (night 1); 7/6 Camden, NJ (night 2); 7/8 New York, NY (MSG night 1) || 2004 - 9/28 Boston, MA (night 1); 9/29 Boston, MA (night 2) || 2005 - 10/3 Philadelphia, PA || 2006 - 5/12 Albany, NY; 5/13 Hartford, CT; 5/24 Boston, MA (night 1); 5/25 Boston, MA (night 2); 5/27 Camden, NJ (night 1); 5/28 Camden, NJ (night 2)|| 2008 - 6/19 Camden, NJ (night 1); 6/24 New York, NY (MSG night 1); 6/25 New York, NY (MSG night 2); 6/27 Hartford, CT; 6/28 Mansfield, MA (night 1); 6/30 Mansfield, MA (night 2); 7/1 New York, NY (Beacon Theater)|| 2009 - 9/21 Seattle, WA (night 1); 9/22 Seattle, WA (night 2); 10/27 Philadelphia, PA (Spectrum night 1); 10/28 Philadelphia, PA (Spectrum night 2); 10/30 Philadelphia, PA (Spectrum night 3); 10/31 Philadelphia, PA (Spectrum night 4)|| 2010 - 5/15 Hartford, CT; 5/17 Boston, MA; 5/20 New York, NY (MSG night 1); 5/21 New York, NY (MSG night 2)|| 2011 - 9/3 East Troy, WI (PJ20); 9/4 East Troy, WI (PJ20) || 2012 - 9/2 Philadelphia, PA, 9/30 Missoula, MT || 2013 - 7/19 Chicago, IL (Wrigley Field), 10/12 Buffalo, NY, 10/15 Worcester, MA (night 1), 10/16 Worcester, MA (night 2), 10/18 Brooklyn, NY (night 1), 10/19 Brooklyn, NY (night 2), 10/25 Hartford, CT || 2014 - 10/22 Denver, CO || 2015 -  9/26 New York, NY (Global Citizen Festival) || 2016 - 5/1 New York, NY (night 1), 5/2 New York, NY (night 2), 8/5 Boston, MA (Fenway Park night 1), 8/7 Boston, MA (Fenway Park night 2) || 2018 - 9/2 Boston, MA (Fenway Park night 1) || 2020 - 3/30 New York, NY
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  • LukinFanLukinFan Florida Posts: 29,070
    LukinFan wrote:
    one thing that I learned from the 06 tour- if you wait for them to come near you (the south) you'll miss out on a lot of great shows
    Exactly. Thats why I pulled the trigger on Toronto tickets, even though its 7 1/s hrs away.
    If Chicago wasn't on a sunday before the first day of school (I'm a teacher) and if I had the money- I would had gone in a second. Oh well, maybe I'll get to see them later on in the year
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    1996: Ft Lauderdale
    1998: Birmingham
    2000: Charlotte, Tampa
    2003: Tampa, Atlanta, Phoenix
    2004: Kissimmee
    2008: West Palm Beach, Bonnaroo, Columbia
    2010: MSG2
    2012: Music Midtown
    2014: Memphis
    2016: Ft. Lauderdale, Miami, Jacksonville, JazzFest
    2018: Wrigley 1, Fenway 1
    2022: Nashville
    2023: Ft. Worth II
    2024: Baltimore

    Upcoming: 2025 Hollywood, FL Night 2
  • PearlJamPatriotPearlJamPatriot Posts: 2,426
    LukinFan wrote:
    LukinFan wrote:
    one thing that I learned from the 06 tour- if you wait for them to come near you (the south) you'll miss out on a lot of great shows
    Exactly. Thats why I pulled the trigger on Toronto tickets, even though its 7 1/s hrs away.
    If Chicago wasn't on a sunday before the first day of school (I'm a teacher) and if I had the money- I would had gone in a second. Oh well, maybe I'll get to see them later on in the year
    Fly out west, meet up with me dude. Im probably gonna end up flying out there by myself this year.
    Pearl Jam Shows: 1998 - 9/11 New York, NY (MSG night 2); 9/13 Hartford, CT || 2000 - 8/24 Wantagh, NY (Jones Beach 2); 8/27 Saratoga Springs; 8/29 Mansfield, MA (night 1); 8/30 Mansfield, MA (night 2) || 2003 - 4/29 Albany, NY; 5/3 State College, PA; 7/2 Mansfield (night 1); 7/6 Camden, NJ (night 2); 7/8 New York, NY (MSG night 1) || 2004 - 9/28 Boston, MA (night 1); 9/29 Boston, MA (night 2) || 2005 - 10/3 Philadelphia, PA || 2006 - 5/12 Albany, NY; 5/13 Hartford, CT; 5/24 Boston, MA (night 1); 5/25 Boston, MA (night 2); 5/27 Camden, NJ (night 1); 5/28 Camden, NJ (night 2)|| 2008 - 6/19 Camden, NJ (night 1); 6/24 New York, NY (MSG night 1); 6/25 New York, NY (MSG night 2); 6/27 Hartford, CT; 6/28 Mansfield, MA (night 1); 6/30 Mansfield, MA (night 2); 7/1 New York, NY (Beacon Theater)|| 2009 - 9/21 Seattle, WA (night 1); 9/22 Seattle, WA (night 2); 10/27 Philadelphia, PA (Spectrum night 1); 10/28 Philadelphia, PA (Spectrum night 2); 10/30 Philadelphia, PA (Spectrum night 3); 10/31 Philadelphia, PA (Spectrum night 4)|| 2010 - 5/15 Hartford, CT; 5/17 Boston, MA; 5/20 New York, NY (MSG night 1); 5/21 New York, NY (MSG night 2)|| 2011 - 9/3 East Troy, WI (PJ20); 9/4 East Troy, WI (PJ20) || 2012 - 9/2 Philadelphia, PA, 9/30 Missoula, MT || 2013 - 7/19 Chicago, IL (Wrigley Field), 10/12 Buffalo, NY, 10/15 Worcester, MA (night 1), 10/16 Worcester, MA (night 2), 10/18 Brooklyn, NY (night 1), 10/19 Brooklyn, NY (night 2), 10/25 Hartford, CT || 2014 - 10/22 Denver, CO || 2015 -  9/26 New York, NY (Global Citizen Festival) || 2016 - 5/1 New York, NY (night 1), 5/2 New York, NY (night 2), 8/5 Boston, MA (Fenway Park night 1), 8/7 Boston, MA (Fenway Park night 2) || 2018 - 9/2 Boston, MA (Fenway Park night 1) || 2020 - 3/30 New York, NY
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  • I'm pretty sure they will be doing the West and the South in Fall 09. There have been numerous threads over the last few months citing interviews, both formal and not, where members have stated such. There is a pretty big gap of dates between the two festivals and obviously a couple of months after ACL. With a new album and the apparent inability to tour too much in '10, common sense would say there has to be more shows on the way not just a couple of shows on the west coast.
  • LukinFanLukinFan Florida Posts: 29,070
    [/quote]
    Fly out west, meet up with me dude. Im probably gonna end up flying out there by myself this year.[/quote]
    trust me, if I have the money together, I will :mrgreen:
    www.RLMcDaniel.com

    1996: Ft Lauderdale
    1998: Birmingham
    2000: Charlotte, Tampa
    2003: Tampa, Atlanta, Phoenix
    2004: Kissimmee
    2008: West Palm Beach, Bonnaroo, Columbia
    2010: MSG2
    2012: Music Midtown
    2014: Memphis
    2016: Ft. Lauderdale, Miami, Jacksonville, JazzFest
    2018: Wrigley 1, Fenway 1
    2022: Nashville
    2023: Ft. Worth II
    2024: Baltimore

    Upcoming: 2025 Hollywood, FL Night 2
  • I am so broke, I was sort of relieved when Tim made the post that seemed to say there would only be shows out West this year. But if they do announce an Atlanta show, I'll probably find some way to go.
  • justamjustam Posts: 21,412
    I'd try to get to Atlanta too although someplace in Florida would be better.
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  • megatronmegatron Posts: 3,420
    come back to orlando house of blues.
    they played a week after i moved here..was broke from the move so i could go
    :evil:
  • JwatsonJwatson Posts: 1
    I caught both shows in Birmingham 98 and 03. The one in 03 stands out in my mind because I became a dad for the first time about a week later. Was really a great time in my life. Thanks to PJ and fans for being like extended family.

    It is a shame that they have not made it down south more. I don't really blame them. They can only reach out to so many fans and I am sure that they want to reach out to as many as possible. The south is not the most populated fan base I would think.

    So I don't blame them. We do have some strongly dedicated, adamant fans though.

    And one other thing that I have never mentioned about the Birmingham show of 03; fans booed the band at the end of the show. I think it was a cultural thing that caused it. PJ acted like they were going to do one more song (they had just finished with their standard last song, Yellow Ledbetter). Matt counted off on the high-hat cymbal like they were going to start another song but they played one note and ran off stage. The only crowd acknowledgment was them waving as they left out quickly. It was an abrupt halt to a great show.

    Bottom line with southerners, you say good-bye. We are kind of proper. I don't think PJ really ever says good-bye to anyone because they always think that they will see us all again anyway. Just my opinion.

    I hope the band didn't feel slighted. They put on a heck of a show and Mike was in really rare form. The solo during Alive is burned in my brain. It went on for 4 or 5 minutes. He was inspiring. Ed had a cold too. It was a very cold, damp night. One of those where you don't feel warm for several days (it was outdoors).

    So I would really like to see them hit Birmingham. Will it happen? Who knows? I don't really hit concerts anymore. I'm about the same age as most of the band but I will come out for them.

    Skyjim
  • LukinFanLukinFan Florida Posts: 29,070
    NEW ORLEANS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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    1996: Ft Lauderdale
    1998: Birmingham
    2000: Charlotte, Tampa
    2003: Tampa, Atlanta, Phoenix
    2004: Kissimmee
    2008: West Palm Beach, Bonnaroo, Columbia
    2010: MSG2
    2012: Music Midtown
    2014: Memphis
    2016: Ft. Lauderdale, Miami, Jacksonville, JazzFest
    2018: Wrigley 1, Fenway 1
    2022: Nashville
    2023: Ft. Worth II
    2024: Baltimore

    Upcoming: 2025 Hollywood, FL Night 2
  • Nuzpaper.Nuzpaper. Posts: 112
    mfc2006 wrote:

    true, but i think they will do a small US tour to support the new record. i can't imagine them having a new record out & not playing some shows, especially the larger markets (NYC, Boston, LA, etc). if that means that they don't tour until summer 2010, then so be it.

    Ya ...I can't see them releasing a new album and not touring. They don't make much off record sales. Touring is where the $ is.
  • LukinFanLukinFan Florida Posts: 29,070
    Nuzpaper. wrote:
    mfc2006 wrote:

    true, but i think they will do a small US tour to support the new record. i can't imagine them having a new record out & not playing some shows, especially the larger markets (NYC, Boston, LA, etc). if that means that they don't tour until summer 2010, then so be it.

    Ya ...I can't see them releasing a new album and not touring. They don't make much off record sales. Touring is where the $ is.
    and they will tour next year :mrgreen:
    www.RLMcDaniel.com

    1996: Ft Lauderdale
    1998: Birmingham
    2000: Charlotte, Tampa
    2003: Tampa, Atlanta, Phoenix
    2004: Kissimmee
    2008: West Palm Beach, Bonnaroo, Columbia
    2010: MSG2
    2012: Music Midtown
    2014: Memphis
    2016: Ft. Lauderdale, Miami, Jacksonville, JazzFest
    2018: Wrigley 1, Fenway 1
    2022: Nashville
    2023: Ft. Worth II
    2024: Baltimore

    Upcoming: 2025 Hollywood, FL Night 2
  • dimitrispearljamdimitrispearljam Posts: 139,721
    LukinFan wrote:
    one thing that I learned from the 06 tour- if you wait for them to come near you (the south) you'll miss out on a lot of great shows
    Exactly. Thats why I pulled the trigger on Toronto tickets, even though its 7 1/s hrs away.
    no time to waste...u got to spent it all :D
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  • FlaggFlagg Posts: 5,856
    silver39 wrote:
    mfc2006 wrote:
    my guess would be that the South, Midwest & East will get shows next year. not a ton of them, but enough. just my guess. 8-)


    Ed said in an interview earlier this year that no 2010 touring because someone in the band was having a baby...so sorry no tour :-(

    Ed says a lot of things about tours and shows that wind up not being the case.
    DAL-7/5/98,10/17/00,6/9/03,11/15/13
    BOS-9/28/04,9/29/04,6/28/08,6/30/08, 9/5/16, 9/7/16, 9/2/18
    MTL-9/15/05, OTT-9/16/05
    PHL-5/27/06,5/28/06,10/30/09,10/31/09
    CHI-8/2/07,8/5/07,8/23/09,8/24/09
    HTFD-6/27/08
    ATX-10/4/09, 10/12/14
    KC-5/3/2010,STL-5/4/2010
    Bridge School-10/23/2010,10/24/2010
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  • SolarWorldSolarWorld Posts: 1,902
    Flagg wrote:
    silver39 wrote:
    mfc2006 wrote:
    my guess would be that the South, Midwest & East will get shows next year. not a ton of them, but enough. just my guess. 8-)


    Ed said in an interview earlier this year that no 2010 touring because someone in the band was having a baby...so sorry no tour :-(

    Ed says a lot of things about tours and shows that wind up not being the case.

    And so do people on message boards. :roll:
  • LukinFanLukinFan Florida Posts: 29,070
    LukinFan wrote:
    one thing that I learned from the 06 tour- if you wait for them to come near you (the south) you'll miss out on a lot of great shows
    Exactly. Thats why I pulled the trigger on Toronto tickets, even though its 7 1/s hrs away.
    no time to waste...u got to spent it all :D
    :shock:
    www.RLMcDaniel.com

    1996: Ft Lauderdale
    1998: Birmingham
    2000: Charlotte, Tampa
    2003: Tampa, Atlanta, Phoenix
    2004: Kissimmee
    2008: West Palm Beach, Bonnaroo, Columbia
    2010: MSG2
    2012: Music Midtown
    2014: Memphis
    2016: Ft. Lauderdale, Miami, Jacksonville, JazzFest
    2018: Wrigley 1, Fenway 1
    2022: Nashville
    2023: Ft. Worth II
    2024: Baltimore

    Upcoming: 2025 Hollywood, FL Night 2
  • PJBuckeyePJBuckeye Posts: 1,102
    I really could see Southern/Eastern dates between ACL and Philly.

    Maybe something like this...

    Pre ACL - western dates

    Oct 4th ACL

    Oct 7th Mexico City

    Oct 10th Houston
    Oct 11th New Orleans

    Oct 13th Brmingham
    Oct 14th Jacksonville

    Oct 16th Atlanta
    Oct 17th Charlotte

    Oct 19th Nashville
    Oct 20th Louisville

    Oct 22 Indy
    Oct 23 Columbus

    Oct 25 Detroit
    Oct 26 Cleveland
    Oct 28 Pitt

    Oct 30,31,Nov 1 Philly

    A couple of additional east coast dates

    Then Australia in early December

    Does this satisfy LukinFan?
    Chicago 6/29/98 - Nashville 8/17/00 - Cleveland 4/25/03- Chicago 6/18/03
    Chicago 5/16/06 - Milwaukee 6/30/06 - Bonnaroo 6/14/08 - Milwaukee (EV)8/19/08
    Chicago 8/23/09 - St. Louis 5/4/10 - East Troy 9/3/11 - East Troy 9/4/11
    Minor League Park 7/19/13 - Milwaukee 10-20-14 - Bonnaroo 6/11/16
    Minor League Park 8/20/16 - Minor League Park 8/22/16
    Minor League Park 8/18/18 - Minor League Park 8/20/18 - Los Angeles 4/16/20
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