How will the AntiIraq War movement be remembered?

Commy

yes, lets all give up on such a waste of time :roll:


without dissent, the gov't WILL continue to take our rights, continue to pick on the third world.


the anti-war movement is as relevant than ever.

nothings changed.


"i'm anti war" but the protests were useless.

fuck that.

if you aren't speaking out against the war you are supporting it.

OffHeGoes29

"Scream and wail
See who cares"

Commy

consent of the governed.


the government rules with our consent-true in any system.


if we don't speak out and show our discontent, they will think they are doing the right thing.

Byrnzie

know1 wrote:

I'm anti-war myself, but the so-called "movement" didn't do anything at all of substance.

...other than raising awareness on the issue and contributing to bringing about an end to the war and the occupation. You think public opinion changed by itself, or with the help of the mainstream media? It was through the efforts of the Anti-war movement that a consensus began to build, just as it did in the 1960's, and just as it always has.

Seems that some people think change is something that happens overnight.

Commy

Byrnzie wrote:

know1 wrote:

I'm anti-war myself, but the so-called "movement" didn't do anything at all of substance.

...other than raising awareness on the issue and contributing to bringing about an end to the war and the occupation. You think public opinion changed by itself, or with the help of the mainstream media? It was through the efforts of the Anti-war movement that a consensus began to build, just as it did in the 1960's, and just as it always has.

Seems that some people think change is something that happens overnight.

exactly.

the media serves the authorities, there's no way in hell they are going to be sowing the seeds of discontent anytime soon.

If we don't speak out against this war, these wars, who will?

VINNY GOOMBA

soulsinging wrote:

I've been to an Islamic country in the last month. They LOVE Obama. In the Moroccan post office, they saw us all with postcards marked for the us and were congratulating and shaking our hands about Obama. He HAS made a huge difference for us. Regardless of your agenda, the fact of the matter is that he's expressed willingness to sit down and talk to the Middle East and try to understand them before acting. That's a huge step for us. Some of them do have reservations about US policy staying the same in other areas, but Obama has given them a little bit of optimism that things might be a little different for the next few years.

I also don't give a fuck what Bin Laden said, he clearly does not speak for the entire Islamic world (thank God). Bush was reviled and I'm willing to bet none of those people ever saw protests in the US on tv. They weren't all giddy with glee that Americans were protesting... quit trying to inflate your own self-importance. Nobody really gave a shit. And you can find all the OBL quotes you want, the fact is that after 4 years of disastrous, cavalier destruction in the Middle East, the rest of the world viewed it as a very big "fuck you" when this country still managed to vote Dubya back into office. It seemed to show our true colors to the world... and they were the ugly colors of chickenshit rednecks. Obama is no saint, but his election was a sign to the rest of the world that we pulled our heads out of our asses a little bit.

I hope you're right about this. Maybe electing Obama has / or will earn us back some of the world's graces, for the time being anyway... It is my belief that if he doesn't deliver big time on changing our policies towards the Middle East, that they will hate him and us even more than they did a few years ago.

Abuskedti

It will be remembered just as the war and most everything else is rememebered.

At that very point of comprimise between the media and the sponsors most comfortably and profitably reported..

There is really nothing else to be remembered.