~*Pearl Jam and Respectful Travel*~

einatshaul

:idea: Considering 10c recent ticket buying policy, I came to think about reasons behind the 'locals come first' allocation. Obviously, faithful, enthusiastic traveling fans would be conflicted about not being able to get pre-sale tickets, however, I'm sure they can all understand one's wish to fully enjoy a PJ show in their own back yard – with Ed addressing him/her in their own language, to the full extent of the experience.

As some of us might go a long way to enjoy the exotic vacation, hook up with old friends and see our favorite band as a bonus – a few truths need to remain in mind while visiting someone else's homeland.


1) Research the area and its culture before you travel to your destination. Read guidebooks to learn about the region.

2) Learn some basic words in the language of the region you are traveling to. Don't expect everyone to speak English.

3) Travel with a desire to experience the local cuisine. Don't expect to get a hamburger.

4) Don't flash around money or expensive items like cell phones and cameras.

5) Try to really experience the culture. You are less likely to offend if you understand.

Most important… Make new friends from different cultures and enjoy the valuable learning experience in exploring alternative ways of life!

I'm sure this band we love stands for all this – please share your thoughts on the subject...

finnannie

I completely agree.

JordyWordy

All very good advice.

There is however a remarkable level of english in Berlin and Holland in general, but its always nice to make the effort.

Also, there are few cities in the world that have the (1) the history and (2) the nightlife that Berlin has. It is an incredible city in every regard, and its also very cheap. Those going to Berlin should really spend a few days there if they can, there is SO much to see and do. WW2 stuff, Museums, zoos, olympic stadium, pubs, restaraunts, wandering the streets looking at the public art / graffiti, its just such a relaxed place.

Jennytree

JordyWordy wrote:

All very good advice.

There is however a remarkable level of english in Berlin and Holland in general, but its always nice to make the effort.

Also, there are few cities in the world that have the (1) the history and (2) the nightlife that Berlin has. It is an incredible city in every regard, and its also very cheap. Those going to Berlin should really spend a few days there if they can, there is SO much to see and do. WW2 stuff, Museums, zoos, olympic stadium, pubs, restaraunts, wandering the streets looking at the public art / graffiti, its just such a relaxed place.

QFT. I'm gonna hang out in Berlin for a few days before the show. I've been there twice before, and I love it. The people are lovely and appreciate the effort I put into my few crappy words of dodgy-sounding German. Also can't wait to enjoy a Motorhead cocktail from Halford Bar... yummy!

JordyWordy

Jennytree wrote:

QFT. I'm gonna hang out in Berlin for a few days before the show. I've been there twice before, and I love it. The people are lovely and appreciate the effort I put into my few crappy words of dodgy-sounding German. Also can't wait to enjoy a Motorhead cocktail from Halford Bar... yummy!

Haha, I feel SO uncool, i have no clue what "QFT" stands for! Kebabs on the street for a euro during drunken rambles?? my kind of place

Travelar

Very insightful post. I've traveled to about 30 countries, mostly for work, and know that the locals appreciate some effort on your part, even if it's only a few words, to speak their language. Knowing how to thank someone in their native tongue can go far.

To add on, be respectful of other cultures and their traditions. While it may not be what you believe in, try to respect it.

100 Pacer

einatshaul wrote:

Considering 10c recent ticket buying policy, I came to think about reasons behind the 'locals come first' allocation. Obviously, faithful, enthusiastic traveling fans would be conflicted about not being able to get pre-sale tickets, however, I'm sure they can all understand one's wish to fully enjoy a PJ show in their own back yard – with Ed addressing him/her in their own language, to the full extent of the experience.

why would any non-Europeans be "conflicted about not being able to get pre-sale tickets"? the opportunity exists for any and all non-European members to purchase 10C tickets during the general 10C pre-sale after the Europeans have had a 1st crack at tickets.

thunderDAN

So I can't play on my Iphone in Europe? What's up with that?!

Mrs.Vedder78

100 Pacer wrote:

einatshaul wrote:

Considering 10c recent ticket buying policy, I came to think about reasons behind the 'locals come first' allocation. Obviously, faithful, enthusiastic traveling fans would be conflicted about not being able to get pre-sale tickets, however, I'm sure they can all understand one's wish to fully enjoy a PJ show in their own back yard – with Ed addressing him/her in their own language, to the full extent of the experience.

why would any non-Europeans be "conflicted about not being able to get pre-sale tickets"? the opportunity exists for any and all non-European members to purchase 10C tickets during the general 10C pre-sale after the Europeans have had a 1st crack at tickets.

She called us the conflicted LOL! (the non-eurpeans) ..read it again! :P

Vedder_Girl77

Good Advice!!

Blind3

Great advice anytime , but especially on the cusp of another year which includes roadtripping. My travels are the most enjoyable when I'm immersing myself in the whole travel experience...enjoying the cultures of the nations or, in the case of ACL, regions of the US, and meeting as many folks as possible.

HermanBloom

Agree with this.

An example of the opposite:
A few years ago I saw The Tragically Hip at the Showbox in Seattle. There were a ton of Canadian fans there that were completely obnoxious and rude. They all wore Canadian hockey jerseys to make sure you knew they were from Canada. There were several with huge Canadian flags and they all sang the Canadian national anthem. I kept thinking how out of line it was and how turned off I was; it almost ruined the show. Imagine if Americans did that in Canada?

einatshaul

Mrs.Vedder78 wrote:

She called us the conflicted LOL! (the non-eurpeans) ..read it again! :P

Right. Well, I'm conflicted. In fact, I sometimes act counter to my own conscience.
I keep being reminded of the words: "The shellfish they're all standing in line..." When I find myself obsessing over tickets... Not calling anybody selfish! It's just my own personal demons...

Blind3 wrote:

Great advice anytime , but especially on the cusp of another year which includes roadtripping. My travels are the most enjoyable when I'm immersing myself in the whole travel experience...enjoying the cultures of the nations or, in the case of ACL, regions of the US, and meeting as many folks as possible.

I love your style Philly, In the past 3 years I have discovered how crashing in people's homes, making local friends, taking in the scenery and local customs makes for a meaningful and memorable experience. I call it, deep travel - in this case your traveling isn't just a vacation time you take and get back to your rut - but an experience that changes you and stays on with you when you go on.

Pauk

4 and 5 are a little ridiculous. Germany and the Netherlands are hardly outer Mongolia...

redrock

nathanastin wrote:

.. There were a ton of Canadian fans there that were completely obnoxious and rude. They all wore Canadian hockey jerseys to make sure you knew they were from Canada. There were several with huge Canadian flags and they all sang the Canadian national anthem. I kept thinking how out of line it was and how turned off I was; it almost ruined the show. Imagine if Americans did that in Canada?

Don't they already do this wordwide?

einatshaul

fowls wrote:

4 and 5 are a little ridiculous. Germany and the Netherlands are hardly outer Mongolia...

True true, but would ring true at any crowded parts of town or run-down suburbs in those countries, in terms of personal safety as well. However, the point of these suggestions is – Be aware, look around you, manage your own etiquette as a guest in a foreign country, and make the most of your time spent!

I'd love to do some hiking in Mongolia someday speaking of which... :roll:

HermanBloom

redrock wrote:

[quote="nathanastin".. There were a ton of Canadian fans there that were completely obnoxious and rude. They all wore Canadian hockey jerseys to make sure you knew they were from Canada. There were several with huge Canadian flags and they all sang the Canadian national anthem. I kept thinking how out of line it was and how turned off I was; it almost ruined the show. Imagine if Americans did that in Canada?

Don't they already do this wordwide? [/quote]
NOOOOOOOOOOO

redeye

great advice, wish i could make berlin to, already sounds like a great place and venue, maybe next time...

JordyWordy

nathanastin wrote:

Agree with this.

An example of the opposite:
A few years ago I saw The Tragically Hip at the Showbox in Seattle. There were a ton of Canadian fans there that were completely obnoxious and rude. They all wore Canadian hockey jerseys to make sure you knew they were from Canada. There were several with huge Canadian flags and they all sang the Canadian national anthem. I kept thinking how out of line it was and how turned off I was; it almost ruined the show. Imagine if Americans did that in Canada?

I can see why you didnt like it, but seeing as the point of it was to show support for a Canadian band, and how close Seattle is to Vancouver, its not really that unforseeable is it? "almost ruined the show".... was it really that bad?

decides2dream

Blind3 wrote:

Great advice anytime , but especially on the cusp of another year which includes roadtripping. My travels are the most enjoyable when I'm immersing myself in the whole travel experience...enjoying the cultures of the nations or, in the case of ACL, regions of the US, and meeting as many folks as possible.

absolutely!
the ENTIRE experience of travel, pj and all the local culture, most especially the people....is what makes touring so damn fantastic!


as of right now, i am not doing any travel for pj this year :(......heading down to baltimore for ed tho, should be fun! i've traveled far and wide, period...and as of late, a lot with pj shows.....and it IS all about experiencing a place, fully.


ENJOY!!!




i WISH i could make the berlin gig, it's a definite on our *list* of cities.....but just impossible for us this year for a myriad of reasons.........someday tho!

Brisk.

Kinda of sad that this has to even be mentioned, should be the norm. But i guess for those who dont know.

einatshaul

I can sort of see where he's coming from, as a large support of Canadian fans would seem more like a claim of territory than a show of support. If pearl Jam goes to Italy with a large screaming group of cheerleaders behind them with US flags - it wouldn't be a great idea... A simple show of love and dedication would do, you just have to find your boundaries. It isn't a competition sport event.

Regarding flags, it is a grey area. Some countries may have bad reputations in some parts of the world, still doesn't mean that the PEOPLE themselves should be embraced of where they're from.

My little Israeli flag would come up only during PJ political songs, as to try and say, "I'm right there with you", "we all are". Even when we were a group of 40 in Nijmegen, flag wasn't blocking people's views during the show. We also simply want to say – "You have loyal fans here too guys, you're warmly invited".

HermanBloom

JordyWordy wrote:

nathanastin wrote:

Agree with this.

An example of the opposite:
A few years ago I saw The Tragically Hip at the Showbox in Seattle. There were a ton of Canadian fans there that were completely obnoxious and rude. They all wore Canadian hockey jerseys to make sure you knew they were from Canada. There were several with huge Canadian flags and they all sang the Canadian national anthem. I kept thinking how out of line it was and how turned off I was; it almost ruined the show. Imagine if Americans did that in Canada?

I can see why you didnt like it, but seeing as the point of it was to show support for a Canadian band, and how close Seattle is to Vancouver, its not really that unforseeable is it? "almost ruined the show".... was it really that bad?

Yes, it was that bad.
So, if I go to England to support Pearl Jam, an American band, I should wave my flag and sing the national anthem and wear a football jersey? No, it's rude. I realize the proximity to Vancouver, but they should have showed some respect. Unfortunately, I have seen this a lot with Canadians.

JordyWordy

Sorry nathanastin, i missed a sentence in your post (the one about the flags etc). Yeah you are totally right, that's very imposing behaviour for a concert, too imposing. I'd be embarrased if i saw Irish people acting like that at a concert abroad. Im sure you'd be the same!

Einat, i completely agree, a little of it is cool, it helps to see such a mix of nationalities and viewpoints, and adds some visible personality to the crowd. the Berlin 06 show had such a range & diveristy of fans it was brilliant. (most the euro shows do, i suppose).

I always think its more enjoyable to be a tourist/travel abroad for a concert, it adds a whole new fresh element to the night/weekend/month of travelling!

HermanBloom

JordyWordy wrote:

Sorry nathanastin, i missed a sentence in your post (the one about the flags etc). Yeah you are totally right, that's very imposing behaviour for a concert, too imposing. I'd be embarrased if i saw Irish people acting like that at a concert abroad. Im sure you'd be the same!

Einat, i completely agree, a little of it is cool, it helps to see such a mix of nationalities and viewpoints, and adds some visible personality to the crowd. the Berlin 06 show had such a range & diveristy of fans it was brilliant. (most the euro shows do, i suppose).

I always think its more enjoyable to be a tourist/travel abroad for a concert, it adds a whole new fresh element to the night/weekend/month of travelling!

Yeah I would kill to go to a Europe show. So much diversity and beauty. Imagine in Cornice makes me salivate with the great crowds and venues.

Dercheef

Well I agree but I gotta say I have no desire to experience the local food in England. Sorry.

HermanBloom

Dercheef wrote:

Well I agree but I gotta say I have no desire to experience the local food in England. Sorry.

Nice avatar Sadgasm

100 Pacer

Mrs.Vedder78 wrote:

100 Pacer wrote:

einatshaul wrote:

Considering 10c recent ticket buying policy, I came to think about reasons behind the 'locals come first' allocation. Obviously, faithful, enthusiastic traveling fans would be conflicted about not being able to get pre-sale tickets, however, I'm sure they can all understand one's wish to fully enjoy a PJ show in their own back yard – with Ed addressing him/her in their own language, to the full extent of the experience.

why would any non-Europeans be "conflicted about not being able to get pre-sale tickets"? the opportunity exists for any and all non-European members to purchase 10C tickets during the general 10C pre-sale after the Europeans have had a 1st crack at tickets.

She called us the conflicted LOL! (the non-eurpeans) ..read it again! :P

hey ya

i did read her post again, and unless i'm missing something it seems clear she's implying that somehow non-European 10C members would be upset at not having the chance to purchase 10C pre-sale tickets when in fact that's not the case,...

Mrs.Vedder78

100 Pacer wrote:

i did read her post again, and unless i'm missing something it seems clear she's implying that somehow non-European 10C members would be upset at not having the chance to purchase 10C pre-sale tickets when in fact that's not the case,...

LMAO!! The one who needs to learn how to read is me!!! I totally missed you said “non-Europeans” I read Europeans :oops:
Well I guess we’ll see how that ends up working out, I think I read yesterday that Berlin was sold out, so now I’m wondering whether its sold out for the European sale or if they will make more available when it opens to everyone.

dannymc

Dercheef wrote:

Well I agree but I gotta say I have no desire to experience the local food in England. Sorry.

Excuse me sir/madam - ill think youll find that we have a selection of the best Indian, Chinese, Greek, Turkish, Italian, Thai, Mexican, Indonesian, Japanese etc food in the world!!

Einat is now officially Mother of the board travellers... She will be inspecting our underwear, providing us with ziplocked bags of sandwiches for every show, confiscating our alcohol and dope...

Seriously though - a rock concert is no place for a national flag, or nationalism of any kind. Fuck boundaries, territories, possession of property. We are all human beings, one nation under a groove and all that.

einatshaul

Mrs.Vedder78 wrote:

LMAO!! The one who needs to learn how to read is me!!! I totally missed you said “non-Europeans” I read Europeans :oops:
Well I guess we’ll see how that ends up working out, I think I read yesterday that Berlin was sold out, so now I’m wondering whether its sold out for the European sale or if they will make more available when it opens to everyone.

that's what I'm saying!!! Knew someone was missing something here... Guess we'll see and wine and dine about it in two days...