condoms make aids worse

haffajappa

what a fucking joke.

jimed14

:?: :?: :?: :?: :?:

Wilds

:?:

Evil Merlin Part Deux

Probably referring to this?

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/commen ... 923927.ece

March 17, 2009
Pope says condoms are not the solution to Aids - they make it worse


The Pope courted further controversy on his first trip to Africa today by declaring that condoms were not a solution to the Aids epidemic – but were instead part of the problem.

In his first public comments on condom use, the pontiff told reporters en route to Cameroon that Aids "is a tragedy that cannot be overcome by money alone, and that cannot be overcome through the distribution of condoms, which even aggravates the problems".

Pope says condoms are not the solution to Aids - they make it worse Pope Benedict has previously stressed that the Roman Catholic Church is in the forefront of the battle against Aids. The Vatican encourages sexual abstinence to fight the spread of the disease.

After his election as Pope, Benedict described Aids as a "a cruel epidemic which not only kills but seriously threatens the economic and social stability of the continent", but reiterated the Vatican ban on the use of condoms.

He said the "traditional teaching of the Church" on chastity outside marriage and fidelity within it had proved to be "the only sure way of preventing the spread of HIV and Aids".

The Pope, who will also visit Angola, is making his first trip as pontiff to Africa, the continent where the Roman Catholic Church is growing fastest.

Two years ago there was speculation that the Vatican might amend its ban on condoms after Cardinal Carlo Maria Martini, the former Archbishop of Milan, said that in couples where one partner had HIV/Aids, the use of condoms was "a lesser evil".

Cardinal Javier Lozano Barragan of Mexico, the Vatican Health Minister, also said condoms could sometimes be exceptionally condoned, for example when a married woman was unable to refuse her HIV-positive husband's sexual advances.

"You can defend yourself with any means," he said. A subsequent Vatican study of the issue reiterated the blanket ban on condoms, however.

In 2003 a senior Vatican official claimed condoms had tiny holes in them through which HIV can pass, exposing thousands of people to risk.

The then head of the Vatican Pontifical Council for the Family, Cardinal Alfonso Lopez Trujillo, said: "The Aids virus is roughly 450 times smaller than the spermatozoon. The spermatozoon can easily pass through the 'net' that is formed by the condom."

He added "These margins of uncertainty... should represent an obligation on the part of the health ministries and all these campaigns to act in the same way as they do with regard to cigarettes, which they state to be a danger."

The World Health Organisation responded at the time by saying that "These incorrect statements about condoms and HIV are dangerous when we are facing a global pandemic which has already killed more than 20 million people, and currently affects at least 42 million."

The WHO said that "consistent and correct" condom use reduces the risk of HIV infection by 90 per cent.

haffajappa

^^ exactly.

"You can't resolve it with the distribution of condoms," the pope told reporters aboard the Alitalia plane heading to Yaounde. "On the contrary, it increases the problem."

Evil Merlin Part Deux

haffajappa wrote:

^^ exactly.

"You can't resolve it with the distribution of condoms," the pope told reporters aboard the Alitalia plane heading to Yaounde. "On the contrary, it increases the problem."

With an organization that has so many followers to whatever word is told to them...things of this nature can become very scary.

ledvedderman

He probably meant to say that condoms make SEX worse...not AIDS

haffajappa

ledvedderman wrote:

He probably meant to say that condoms make SEX worse...not AIDS

what like less pleasurable?

no...they are still preaching abstinence... people are animals, they're gonna fuck... get the point.


on a side note,
cute baby by the way!!!!!!

haffajappa

Evil Merlin Part Deux wrote:

haffajappa wrote:

^^ exactly.

"You can't resolve it with the distribution of condoms," the pope told reporters aboard the Alitalia plane heading to Yaounde. "On the contrary, it increases the problem."

With an organization that has so many followers to whatever word is told to them...things of this nature can become very scary.

religion is scary... its scares me... people are so vulnerable...

ironically, they'll say if you do it their way, you'll get to go to heaven, but they don't tell you the part where you're going to get a terminal illness so you'll just be going there sooner than planned.

ledvedderman

haffajappa wrote:

ledvedderman wrote:

He probably meant to say that condoms make SEX worse...not AIDS

what like less pleasurable?

no...they are still preaching abstinence... people are animals, they're gonna fuck... get the point.


on a side note,
cute baby by the way!!!!!!

Thanks! He's what happens when people don't use condoms. Good thing we were already married and trying though!

haffajappa

ledvedderman wrote:

Thanks! He's what happens when people don't use condoms. Good thing we were already married and trying though!

HAHA... good i'd have to throw holy water on you if you werent married...
awww hes adorable!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
hahaha

ledvedderman

haffajappa wrote:

ledvedderman wrote:

Thanks! He's what happens when people don't use condoms. Good thing we were already married and trying though!

HAHA... good i'd have to throw holy water on you if you werent married...
awww hes adorable!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
hahaha

I have a feeling the "holy water" would burn through my skin if you through it on me

decides2dream

Evil Merlin Part Deux wrote:

Probably referring to this?

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/commen ... 923927.ece

March 17, 2009
Pope says condoms are not the solution to Aids - they make it worse


The Pope courted further controversy on his first trip to Africa today by declaring that condoms were not a solution to the Aids epidemic – but were instead part of the problem.

In his first public comments on condom use, the pontiff told reporters en route to Cameroon that Aids "is a tragedy that cannot be overcome by money alone, and that cannot be overcome through the distribution of condoms, which even aggravates the problems".

Pope says condoms are not the solution to Aids - they make it worse Pope Benedict has previously stressed that the Roman Catholic Church is in the forefront of the battle against Aids. The Vatican encourages sexual abstinence to fight the spread of the disease.

After his election as Pope, Benedict described Aids as a "a cruel epidemic which not only kills but seriously threatens the economic and social stability of the continent", but reiterated the Vatican ban on the use of condoms.

He said the "traditional teaching of the Church" on chastity outside marriage and fidelity within it had proved to be "the only sure way of preventing the spread of HIV and Aids".

The Pope, who will also visit Angola, is making his first trip as pontiff to Africa, the continent where the Roman Catholic Church is growing fastest.

Two years ago there was speculation that the Vatican might amend its ban on condoms after Cardinal Carlo Maria Martini, the former Archbishop of Milan, said that in couples where one partner had HIV/Aids, the use of condoms was "a lesser evil".

Cardinal Javier Lozano Barragan of Mexico, the Vatican Health Minister, also said condoms could sometimes be exceptionally condoned, for example when a married woman was unable to refuse her HIV-positive husband's sexual advances.

"You can defend yourself with any means," he said. A subsequent Vatican study of the issue reiterated the blanket ban on condoms, however.

In 2003 a senior Vatican official claimed condoms had tiny holes in them through which HIV can pass, exposing thousands of people to risk.

The then head of the Vatican Pontifical Council for the Family, Cardinal Alfonso Lopez Trujillo, said: "The Aids virus is roughly 450 times smaller than the spermatozoon. The spermatozoon can easily pass through the 'net' that is formed by the condom."

He added "These margins of uncertainty... should represent an obligation on the part of the health ministries and all these campaigns to act in the same way as they do with regard to cigarettes, which they state to be a danger."

The World Health Organisation responded at the time by saying that "These incorrect statements about condoms and HIV are dangerous when we are facing a global pandemic which has already killed more than 20 million people, and currently affects at least 42 million."

The WHO said that "consistent and correct" condom use reduces the risk of HIV infection by 90 per cent.

this kinda shit soooo pisses me off. :evil: :evil: :evil:
seriously, even most catholics i am going to guess utilize BC. it's the responsible thing to do, even after marriage! but, fine.....even if you want to preach to YOUR church, condoms are wrong, abstinence is the way to go, etc, etc.......which is utter ridiculousness, but ok.....fine. just DON'T make an assinine public statement to the masses such as this, such MISinformation....and such can cost LIVES. i am not asking religions to give up their core teachings, not at ALL......i am asking at most, some realism, even amongst your 'faithful'...to realize, the bible is not infallible, even if you *believe* you should realize it was written for a particular time, and while sure...the basic tenets can carry on forever......certain things, like 'go forth and multiply'.....just really don't seem like 'god's plan' or desire today......to overrun the world, to bring children into the world you cannot afford.....or simply, to realize humans ARE fallible, make errors....and that yes, condoning BC, including condoms is not the end of civilization, nor religion, as we know it.

/end rant.



the part i bolded...right on!

Lizard

decides2dream wrote:

this kinda shit soooo pisses me off. :evil: :evil: :evil:
seriously, even most catholics i am going to guess utilize BC. it's the responsible thing to do, even after marriage! but, fine.....even if you want to preach to YOUR church, condoms are wrong, abstinence is the way to go, etc, etc.......which is utter ridiculousness, but ok.....fine. just DON'T make an assinine public statement to the masses such as this, such MISinformation....and such can cost LIVES. i am not asking religions to give up their core teachings, not at ALL......i am asking at most, some realism, even amongst your 'faithful'...to realize, the bible is not infallible, even if you *believe* you should realize it was written for a particular time, and while sure...the basic tenets can carry on forever......certain things, like 'go forth and multiply'.....just really don't seem like 'god's plan' or desire today......to overrun the world, to bring children into the world you cannot afford.....or simply, to realize humans ARE fallible, make errors....and that yes, condoning BC, including condoms is not the end of civilization, nor religion, as we know it.

/end rant.


the part i bolded...right on!

Amen, sista!!

tybird

Good Nazi tatics....tell a big enough lie, and fool the people....wonder where the Pope picked up this idea? :twisted:

so-much-clearer

FFFFFFFFFFFFF when are people going to wake up and realize abstinence-only JUST DOESN'T WORK

covered in bliss

Cardinal Javier Lozano Barragan of Mexico, the Vatican Health Minister, also said condoms could sometimes be exceptionally condoned, for example when a married woman was unable to refuse her HIV-positive husband's sexual advances.

If your husband is an aids-infected rapist, you have much bigger problems than wondering if you're going to hell for using a condom!

prytocorduroy

The pope means that having easy access to condoms will increase a person's chance of having sex because they feel the condom will protect them. I believe it's only 85% effective. If there were no condoms then people would be far more cautious and probably abstain out of fear.

It's a scare tactic. I don't agree with him, but it does make sense. Condoms increase promiscuity, thus increasing your chances of getting HIV.

South of Seattle

Condoms make sex worse.

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danny72688 wrote:

Condoms increase promiscuity

Prove it.

prytocorduroy

scb wrote:

danny72688 wrote:

Condoms increase promiscuity

Prove it.

Seriously? Humor me for a second and just think with me.


Pretend there is no such thing as a condom or any kind of "barrier", nothing at all to prevent pregnancy or STD transmission. There will never be a "barrier" in the future. The idea of one is inconceivable.


With me?


Now retain the knowledge we have today about pregnancy and STDs.

Would you, or anybody, honestly, hook up for a night, or even have sex within the first month of meeting someone? I sure as fuck would not take the risk.



But now return to what we all know. Condoms exist, so we can more frequently, and carelessly enjoy sex because that barrier will protect us for the most part. Since we have a barrier to keep us from harm, why should anybody think twice about having sex? The risk is still there, but it's far less than if there was no condoms.