condoms make aids worse
haffajappa
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what a fucking joke.
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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/commen ... 923927.ece
March 17, 2009
Pope says condoms are not the solution to Aids - they make it worse
The Pope courted further controversy on his first trip to Africa today by declaring that condoms were not a solution to the Aids epidemic – but were instead part of the problem.
In his first public comments on condom use, the pontiff told reporters en route to Cameroon that Aids "is a tragedy that cannot be overcome by money alone, and that cannot be overcome through the distribution of condoms, which even aggravates the problems".
Pope says condoms are not the solution to Aids - they make it worse Pope Benedict has previously stressed that the Roman Catholic Church is in the forefront of the battle against Aids. The Vatican encourages sexual abstinence to fight the spread of the disease.
After his election as Pope, Benedict described Aids as a "a cruel epidemic which not only kills but seriously threatens the economic and social stability of the continent", but reiterated the Vatican ban on the use of condoms.
He said the "traditional teaching of the Church" on chastity outside marriage and fidelity within it had proved to be "the only sure way of preventing the spread of HIV and Aids".
The Pope, who will also visit Angola, is making his first trip as pontiff to Africa, the continent where the Roman Catholic Church is growing fastest.
Two years ago there was speculation that the Vatican might amend its ban on condoms after Cardinal Carlo Maria Martini, the former Archbishop of Milan, said that in couples where one partner had HIV/Aids, the use of condoms was "a lesser evil".
Cardinal Javier Lozano Barragan of Mexico, the Vatican Health Minister, also said condoms could sometimes be exceptionally condoned, for example when a married woman was unable to refuse her HIV-positive husband's sexual advances.
"You can defend yourself with any means," he said. A subsequent Vatican study of the issue reiterated the blanket ban on condoms, however.
In 2003 a senior Vatican official claimed condoms had tiny holes in them through which HIV can pass, exposing thousands of people to risk.
The then head of the Vatican Pontifical Council for the Family, Cardinal Alfonso Lopez Trujillo, said: "The Aids virus is roughly 450 times smaller than the spermatozoon. The spermatozoon can easily pass through the 'net' that is formed by the condom."
He added "These margins of uncertainty... should represent an obligation on the part of the health ministries and all these campaigns to act in the same way as they do with regard to cigarettes, which they state to be a danger."
The World Health Organisation responded at the time by saying that "These incorrect statements about condoms and HIV are dangerous when we are facing a global pandemic which has already killed more than 20 million people, and currently affects at least 42 million."
The WHO said that "consistent and correct" condom use reduces the risk of HIV infection by 90 per cent.
"You can't resolve it with the distribution of condoms," the pope told reporters aboard the Alitalia plane heading to Yaounde. "On the contrary, it increases the problem."
With an organization that has so many followers to whatever word is told to them...things of this nature can become very scary.
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no...they are still preaching abstinence... people are animals, they're gonna fuck... get the point.
on a side note,
cute baby by the way!!!!!!
ironically, they'll say if you do it their way, you'll get to go to heaven, but they don't tell you the part where you're going to get a terminal illness so you'll just be going there sooner than planned.
Thanks! He's what happens when people don't use condoms. Good thing we were already married and trying though!
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hahaha
I have a feeling the "holy water" would burn through my skin if you through it on me
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this kinda shit soooo pisses me off. :evil: :evil: :evil:
seriously, even most catholics i am going to guess utilize BC. it's the responsible thing to do, even after marriage! but, fine.....even if you want to preach to YOUR church, condoms are wrong, abstinence is the way to go, etc, etc.......which is utter ridiculousness, but ok.....fine. just DON'T make an assinine public statement to the masses such as this, such MISinformation....and such can cost LIVES. i am not asking religions to give up their core teachings, not at ALL......i am asking at most, some realism, even amongst your 'faithful'...to realize, the bible is not infallible, even if you *believe* you should realize it was written for a particular time, and while sure...the basic tenets can carry on forever......certain things, like 'go forth and multiply'.....just really don't seem like 'god's plan' or desire today......to overrun the world, to bring children into the world you cannot afford.....or simply, to realize humans ARE fallible, make errors....and that yes, condoning BC, including condoms is not the end of civilization, nor religion, as we know it.
/end rant.
the part i bolded...right on!
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If your husband is an aids-infected rapist, you have much bigger problems than wondering if you're going to hell for using a condom!
It's a scare tactic. I don't agree with him, but it does make sense. Condoms increase promiscuity, thus increasing your chances of getting HIV.
Prove it.
Pretend there is no such thing as a condom or any kind of "barrier", nothing at all to prevent pregnancy or STD transmission. There will never be a "barrier" in the future. The idea of one is inconceivable.
With me?
Now retain the knowledge we have today about pregnancy and STDs.
Would you, or anybody, honestly, hook up for a night, or even have sex within the first month of meeting someone? I sure as fuck would not take the risk.
But now return to what we all know. Condoms exist, so we can more frequently, and carelessly enjoy sex because that barrier will protect us for the most part. Since we have a barrier to keep us from harm, why should anybody think twice about having sex? The risk is still there, but it's far less than if there was no condoms.
I fully understand your line of reasoning, I just think this is a misperception that has been used for too long as an argument against condoms, other contraception (including the Morning After Pill), and abortion. I know you said you disagree with the Pope for using it that way, but perpetuating the misconception upon which his argument was made is not helpful. Meanwhile, the idea that condoms increase promiscuity has still not been substantiated.
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I'm just saying that if fucking safely wasn't an option, more people probably would choose not to have sex (or choose partners wisely) knowing the risks, dangers and consequences.
And scb, I don't know what else to say that I haven't already said.
exactly
i have a problem with mission-type trips in general too, i don't think that religion should be spread like that. if you're going to go to a place to build houses, wells, schools, etc... do it for that reason and not use it as an underlying tool for the spread of your religious dogma...
i feel the same way as you, times are different. especially in an epidemic like this, the pope doing what he did is going to force a giant step back for the people who are trying to combat the situation. and yah, 'go forth and multiply'...that fucking drives me crazy.
and this isn't the first time a pope has gone to Africa and told them not to use condoms...
i understand also why he has done it, if he encouraged the use of condoms he'd be undermining a huge part of what the catholic church believes in... but at the same time, is it really acceptable to allow religious dogma and one church's belief get in the way of an epidemic? so the fact of the matter here is not that the pope has a realistic interest in the wellbeing of this continent, but only a real interest in supporting and spreading the beliefs of his church...
this is one of my biggest problems with religion, especially Christianity. It's never enough to worship your own god and beliefs - which is how it should be... they always think they have to spread it and some even think they have to push it on you.
it's bullshit like this that reminds me why i need to become a teacher. i need to teach kids how to be open minded and challenge authority/what they think they know, so maybe a few more people can grow up with open minds and when they see bullshit like this they'd be able to roll their eyes instead of believing it. it's taking me way too long to be a teacher dammit, i need to make sure this kind of thinking stops spreading!
and WHAT the flying fuck was that idiot saying about if your husband with HIV forces to have sex with you?! WHAT?! what is up with people still thinking men can have whatever they want from a woman?! UGH!
dammit i need to have my new world order... there's gonna be sooo many dead people when i'm queen of the world..
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