Innocent civilians killed in Afganistan
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US troops storm Afghani house, kill 5 civilians, label them enemy-combatants.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZXiqKnUAcc
war on terror huh?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZXiqKnUAcc
war on terror huh?
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this is just something to think about if you think increasing troop levels in afghanistan is a good idea. things like this will happen more often i think.
google the phoenix program if you think i'm out of line suggesting that.
the CIA once suggested to the air force that they target the "will" of the enemy. It was during Vietnam, when the air force had literaly run out of targets. Targeting the will of the enemy included targeting houses and villages, killing their kids and wives and parents. The plan backfired, but it shows what kind of people we're dealing with in these conflicts.
they are trained to kill people. what's the difference?
Police are trained to protect civilians and apprehend criminals. Is there a difference between what they're trained to do and what they did to Rodney King?
I'd love to see you find hundreds of individual stories about such events.
some quotes by the guy who was the chief architect of the “Shock and Awe” Rapid Dominance battle plan, Harlan Ullman:
In some of the examples, the objective is to apply brutal levels of power and force to achieve Shock and Awe. In the attempt to keep war "immaculate," at least in limiting collateral damage, one point should not be forgotten. Above all, war is a nasty business or, as Sherman put it, "war is hell." While there are surely humanitarian considerations that cannot or should not be ignored, the ability to Shock and Awe ultimately rests in the ability to frighten, scare, intimidate, and disarm. The Clausewitzian dictum concerning the violent nature of war is dismissed only at our peril.
There is also the option of applying massive destruction against purely civilian or "counter-value" targets such as the firebombing of Tokyo in World War II when unconditionality marks the terms of surrender. It is the cumulative impact of destruction on the endurance and capacity of the adversary that ultimately affects the will to resist that is the central foundation of this example…..
Achieving Shock and Awe rests in the ability to deter and overpower an adversary through the adversary's perception and fear of his vulnerability and our own invincibility.
The second example is "Hiroshima and Nagasaki" noted earlier. The intent here is to impose a regime of Shock and Awe through delivery of instant, nearly incomprehensible levels of massive destruction directed at influencing society writ large, meaning its leadership and public, rather than targeting directly against military or strategic objectives even with relatively few numbers or systems. The employment of this capability against society and its values, called "counter-value" in the nuclear deterrent jargon, is massively destructive strikes directly at the public will of the adversary to resist and, ideally or theoretically, would instantly or quickly incapacitate that will over the space of a few hours or days…..
Shutting the country down would entail both the physical destruction of appropriate infrastructure and the shutdown and control of the flow of all vital information and associated commerce so rapidly as to achieve a level of national shock akin to the effect that dropping nuclear weapons on Hiroshima and Nagasaki had on the Japanese. Simultaneously, Iraq's armed forces would be paralyzed with the neutralization or destruction of its capabilities. Deception, disinformation, and misinformation would be applied massively.
…it would be vitally important to give the appearance that there are no safe havens from attack, and that any target may be attacked at any time with impunity and force.
[Options for targeting] “could include means of communication, transportation, food production, water supply, and other aspects of infrastructure…”
“So that you have this simultaneous effect, rather like the nuclear weapons at Hiroshima, not taking days or weeks, but in minutes.” CBS, 1/24/03
“You also take the city down. By that I mean you get rid of their power, water. In 2, 3, 4, 5 days they are physically, emotionally, and psychologically exhausted.” CBS, 1/24/03
“The pressure will continue until we run out of targets.”
“You’ll see simultaneous attacks of hundreds of warheads, maybe thousands.”
“…this Shock and Awe may not necessitate imposing the full destruction of either nuclear weapons or advanced conventional technologies, but must be underwritten by the ability to do so.”
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
police are trained to be the force behind the authority of the state. in that context, the rodney king beating was SOP. he broke they law, they taught him a lesson. probably happens all the time, this one happened to be caught on camera.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=5bd_1192186053
http://www.commondreams.org/views02/0803-02.htm
http://www.rense.com/general20/milMistakeAL.htm
http://www.isn.ethz.ch/isn/Current-Affa ... n&id=96678
http://www.inteldaily.com/news/164/ARTI ... 04-15.html
http://cursor.org/stories/civilian_deaths.htm
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/asia/ ... 70229.html
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/30/30- ... us-attack/
http://www.zolaenterprises.com/blackwater.htm
http://www.reddit.com/r/obama/related/8 ... illed_687/
http://www.democracynow.org/2004/5/24/e ... e_i_killed
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/7501538.stm
that's half, 3 minutes later.