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Cropduster, Ghost, and Help, Help Live

DiRtyFranK38DiRtyFranK38 Posts: 3,131
edited May 2008 in The Porch
kick SO MUCH ASS!!!!

why are these songs so neglected from sets?? honestly, these songs are so great ESPECIALLY live .. i just don't understand the riot act hate. but i don't want this thread to turn into that ..

who agrees that these songs are fantastic live? i would go nuts and consider it a highlight if i heard any of these 3 songs live, because they are rarely ever played.
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2008: MSG 1, Hartford, Mansfield 2, Ed Solo NYC 1
2009: London (O2), Philly 1, 2, 3, & 4
2010: Hartford, Boston, MSG 1 & 2
2011: Ed Solo Hartford
2012: Philly (MIA Fest)
2013: Worcester 2, Brooklyn 1 & 2, Hartford
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    brainofPJbrainofPJ Posts: 2,361
    i was so bummed when they played Help Help at the first '03 detroit show...

    then i bought the bootleg and realized that it did kick much ass live...

    not so sure about the other 2...


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    DiRtyFranK38DiRtyFranK38 Posts: 3,131
    brainofPJ wrote:
    i was so bummed when they played Help Help at the first '03 detroit show...

    then i bought the bootleg and realized that it did kick much ass live...

    not so sure about the other 2...

    oh come on man! how bout when ed sings "the moon is rooooooollinnn roound" in cropduster .. and mike's fucking amazing solos in ghost!
    2006: Hartford
    2008: MSG 1, Hartford, Mansfield 2, Ed Solo NYC 1
    2009: London (O2), Philly 1, 2, 3, & 4
    2010: Hartford, Boston, MSG 1 & 2
    2011: Ed Solo Hartford
    2012: Philly (MIA Fest)
    2013: Worcester 2, Brooklyn 1 & 2, Hartford
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    Music For RhinosMusic For Rhinos Posts: 1,693
    I have to agree with DirtyFrank.

    These are awesome songs, both on record and live, and it's a shame if they aren't played more often.
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    TroubledSoulTroubledSoul Posts: 1,364
    DiRtyFranK38 wrote:
    kick SO MUCH ASS!!!!

    why are these songs so neglected from sets?? honestly, these songs are so great ESPECIALLY live .. i just don't understand the riot act hate. but i don't want this thread to turn into that ..

    who agrees that these songs are fantastic live? i would go nuts and consider it a highlight if i heard any of these 3 songs live, because they are rarely ever played.

    i reckon 1/2 full, save you are great live.
    and lbc, cant keep, all or none, green disease are good live.

    the rest (of riot act) on the other hand are quite average imo.
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    Jesika537Jesika537 Posts: 301
    I'm with you... I've heard Help Help and Cropduster but would love to hear Ghost... Cropduster is one of my favorite's off Riot Act.
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    BinFrogBinFrog MA Posts: 7,292
    All 3 are great.
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    HermanBloomHermanBloom Posts: 1,764
    agreed; love those songs
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    EBowieEBowie Posts: 529
    they'll be back...
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    nowayimfaithfullnowayimfaithfull Posts: 2,051
    DiRtyFranK38 wrote:
    kick SO MUCH ASS!!!!

    why are these songs so neglected from sets?? honestly, these songs are so great ESPECIALLY live .. i just don't understand the riot act hate. but i don't want this thread to turn into that ..

    who agrees that these songs are fantastic live? i would go nuts and consider it a highlight if i heard any of these 3 songs live, because they are rarely ever played.


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    yosi1yosi1 Posts: 3,272
    I would love to hear these songs live. Ghost, Cropduster, Help Help, All or None. Yup, that's what I want.
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    LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSunLikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun Posts: 6,097
    wow. this poster was 0-3 on good songs i want to hear live. heheh, sorry. just give me anything off riot act except those three and LBC.

    especially Green Disease or Half Full.
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    Army & NavyArmy & Navy Posts: 120
    DiRtyFranK38 wrote:
    kick SO MUCH ASS!!!!

    why are these songs so neglected from sets?? honestly, these songs are so great ESPECIALLY live .. i just don't understand the riot act hate. but i don't want this thread to turn into that ..

    who agrees that these songs are fantastic live? i would go nuts and consider it a highlight if i heard any of these 3 songs live, because they are rarely ever played.


    Are you taking the piss? 3 of their very worst songs IMHO...You can add Half Full & Come Back to that list.

    I guess Cropduster is pleasant enough, but I remember during the 03 shows that it was a real crowd killer
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    washedinblack91washedinblack91 Posts: 3,078
    how is there so much hate against cropduster! i'm really trying to understand those who hate that song, it's just such a beautiful song, especially the "the moon is rollin roooooooooooound" part. i mean with other songs i can understand why people hate it even though i love it, but come on, cropduster???
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    augustwestaugustwest Posts: 739
    cropduster is an amazing song
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    Evacuation RulesEvacuation Rules Posts: 2,162
    I think that they don't play Cropduster and Ghost anymore because they're a little tricky to play and probably require more rehearsal time than most other songs, so they just dropped them. You can also add Evacuation to that list. I plowed through all the boots for good versions of those 3 songs, and I was only able to find one or two performances where they barely scraped by. Fans with bad taste love to think that they don't play those songs anymore because they're "bad songs", but I don't think that's the case at all. PJ just sucks at playing them.
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    eduardoeduardo Posts: 151
    i support this thread

    i want ghost and cropduster.

    guitars are amazing on both
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    SpinMyWorldToBlackSpinMyWorldToBlack Posts: 73
    Heard Cropduster and Help Help and consider myself lucky to have. Both fantastic live. I am indeed dying to hear Ghost live.
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    mouthfulofsoupmouthfulofsoup Posts: 397
    Absolutely LOVE Cropduster. Fav. song on the album & definitely would love to hear it more live. Ghost is good as well...although, while Help Help is better live than album, the song still needs help. ;) lol.
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    DiRtyFranK38DiRtyFranK38 Posts: 3,131
    EBowie wrote:
    they'll be back...

    i hope so ..

    i can't imagine what i'd do if i heard ghost!
    2006: Hartford
    2008: MSG 1, Hartford, Mansfield 2, Ed Solo NYC 1
    2009: London (O2), Philly 1, 2, 3, & 4
    2010: Hartford, Boston, MSG 1 & 2
    2011: Ed Solo Hartford
    2012: Philly (MIA Fest)
    2013: Worcester 2, Brooklyn 1 & 2, Hartford
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    EquallyWorthlessEquallyWorthless Posts: 3,993
    DiRtyFranK38 wrote:
    kick SO MUCH ASS!!!!

    why are these songs so neglected from sets?? honestly, these songs are so great ESPECIALLY live .. i just don't understand the riot act hate. but i don't want this thread to turn into that ..

    who agrees that these songs are fantastic live? i would go nuts and consider it a highlight if i heard any of these 3 songs live, because they are rarely ever played.


    here, here! I fully agree with this 100% especially Cropduster which is one of PJ's most underrated songs.

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    ThecrownofthornsThecrownofthorns Posts: 319
    One thing, Help Help and Ghost are amazing songs.

    Cropduster.

    Terrible.

    Now back to your regularly scheduled posts.
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    Stephen FlowStephen Flow Posts: 3,327
    I'm not the biggest fan of cropduster... Lyrics are great, music is great but it's not my fav... I think it might just be the tempo of the song or something.

    Ghost is one of my favs off Riot Act and great live...

    I've never gotten Help Help live... prolly won't either sadly because I really dig that one.
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    Lukin66Lukin66 Posts: 3,063
    I would love to hear more of Riot Act busted out during concerts. I think I could die happy if I heard You Are, Cropduster, Ghost, Get Right etc...









    Also No Way, but that's a different thread
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    washedinblack91washedinblack91 Posts: 3,078
    Thecrownofthorns wrote:
    One thing, Help Help and Ghost are amazing songs.

    Cropduster.

    Terrible.

    Now back to your regularly scheduled posts.

    yes, but why? won't SOMEONE tell me why they think it's so terrible??
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    eV: 8/4/08, 8/5/08, 6/21/11
    SG: 10/4/08<-- MET STONE!!!
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    DiRtyFranK38DiRtyFranK38 Posts: 3,131
    washedinblack91 wrote:
    yes, but why? won't SOMEONE tell me why they think it's so terrible??

    seriously
    2006: Hartford
    2008: MSG 1, Hartford, Mansfield 2, Ed Solo NYC 1
    2009: London (O2), Philly 1, 2, 3, & 4
    2010: Hartford, Boston, MSG 1 & 2
    2011: Ed Solo Hartford
    2012: Philly (MIA Fest)
    2013: Worcester 2, Brooklyn 1 & 2, Hartford
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    pearljgirl2010pearljgirl2010 Shillington, PA/Tuckerton, NJ Posts: 3,428
    i flippin LOVE Ghost. I need to hear it in June...please?? also a big fan of Cropduster...
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    DiRtyFranK38DiRtyFranK38 Posts: 3,131
    pearljgirl2010 wrote:
    i flippin LOVE Ghost. I need to hear it in June...please?? also a big fan of Cropduster...

    AMEN
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    2008: MSG 1, Hartford, Mansfield 2, Ed Solo NYC 1
    2009: London (O2), Philly 1, 2, 3, & 4
    2010: Hartford, Boston, MSG 1 & 2
    2011: Ed Solo Hartford
    2012: Philly (MIA Fest)
    2013: Worcester 2, Brooklyn 1 & 2, Hartford
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    pearljgirl2010pearljgirl2010 Shillington, PA/Tuckerton, NJ Posts: 3,428
    i was just discussing Ghost the other night-i don't know what it is, but I can't help but sing as loud as I can :-)
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    emily18emily18 Posts: 489
    i would LOOOVE to hear all three of those
    but especially help help cause that just kicks so much ass live
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    restlesssoulrestlesssoul Posts: 6,941
    Ive got to say that i called this about two years ago. There was a lot of hate for riot act going around, and i said that this would happen. People would be wanting to hear the songs off riot act because they would be seen as rare.


    i only realized how little ghost has been played recently. much love for riot act from this guy too. i wish i saw more than one show from that tour.
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