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edited April 2009 in The Porch
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thats all.
I will be what i could be
Once I get out of this town


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  • CJMST3KCJMST3K Posts: 9,722
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    HAAHHAHAHAHA!


    Seriously? You're actually serious?

    Not pro-shot, but good enough for this topic. ...here's just a quick find on youtube:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVVd22uCjZk


    this conversation is already going on recently here...
    http://forums.pearljam.com/viewtopic.ph ... 7&start=75
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  • dreamweaverdreamweaver New York Posts: 721
    you both look like idiots. first of all, the video's both of you have are SHIT quality, you might as well film a 2 year old banging on pots and pans to pearl jam!
    second of all these video's are almost 15 years apart in the bands lifetime. you can't compare that!



    the one thing that frustrates me about these topics is that every single person thinks their OPINION is awesome



    personally I feel sorry for Matt C. to see all of these people say "Dave A. was the only and best pj drummer". If I were him I would simply say, fuck the pearl jam fan base and move on. how would everyone like no more pearl jam, only ev solo shows???
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  • 12345AGNST112345AGNST1 Posts: 4,906
    I fucking love Matt, but Im pretty baffled why you chose that video as an example. Rats is one of those songs Matt doesn't play as well as Dave.

    He did go pretty crazy a few times, but his power fills dont really fit that song. (although it never bothered me)

    A good example of his playing is the Torino bootleg where they played Avocado in its entirety. His playing during the jam of RVM is fucking amazing, along with the fills he does at the end of Black when eddie starts singing "taking my hand/we belong together" I got the chills listening to the fills he did when I listened to it earlier today. Pure trademark Cameron playing during that part. People say he cant groove. Listen to that part, if thats not groove then I dont know what is.
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  • CJMST3KCJMST3K Posts: 9,722
    12345AGNST1 wrote:
    I fucking love Matt, but Im pretty baffled why you chose that video as an example. Rats is one of those songs Matt doesn't play as well as Dave.

    I'm a Dave A fan, and I agree. MC has had a million better moments than that video... and that video doesn't speak to Matt's abilities. And particularly Rats in general is not one that Matt can even compete on. Even 12345AGNST1 agrees, and he is like the biggest Matt Cameron fan he will every have. Find something with an awesome solo or something, AND put up competeing video of Dave A that you are comparing.

    Putting up a video of an average "anyone can do" performance Matt did, and then saying "thats all" as if you proved some point is pretty humorous.

    thats all. :lol:
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  • CommyCommy Posts: 4,984
    all the drummers sound great. i can't even tell the difference unless someone points it out to me,

    but.

    the Blood comparisons CJMSTK3 posted here viewtopic.php?f=4&t=95437&start=75

    kind of ended the argument for me.

    there was a definite progression through each version of blood.

    and I thought Dave's was the best.
  • DewieCoxDewieCox Posts: 11,430
    It's a shame that neither of them is as good as Irons in the studio.
  • 12345AGNST112345AGNST1 Posts: 4,906
    DewieCox wrote:
    It's a shame that neither of them is as good as Irons in the studio.

    its a shame that irons is as good as irons in the studio!
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  • HeavyHandsHeavyHands Posts: 2,130
    12345AGNST1 wrote:
    DewieCox wrote:
    It's a shame that neither of them is as good as Irons in the studio.

    its a shame that irons is as good as irons in the studio!

    You know... I think Irons was the right man for the time and still sounds great after all these years... But this is damn hilarious!
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  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    dreamweaver wrote:
    you both look like idiots. first of all, the video's both of you have are SHIT quality, you might as well film a 2 year old banging on pots and pans to pearl jam!
    second of all these video's are almost 15 years apart in the bands lifetime. you can't compare that!

    the one thing that frustrates me about these topics is that every single person thinks their OPINION is awesome

    personally I feel sorry for Matt C. to see all of these people say "Dave A. was the only and best pj drummer". If I were him I would simply say, fuck the pearl jam fan base and move on. how would everyone like no more pearl jam, only ev solo shows???

    I am a big Matt critic, but I've never said Dave was the only and not even that he's the best. Both he and Jack were excellent and I couldn't make up my mind if I had to. I've also said Matt is an amazing drummer, I just don't think his style fits well with Pearl Jam is all.
  • DewieCoxDewieCox Posts: 11,430
    As far as studio PJ goes Irons is miles and miles ahead of MC. imo, Matt has regressed since joining the band. Technical ability only means so much.
  • stratmadstratmad Posts: 208
    this is not so much who is the better but 1 thing that bugs me to no end about MC in recent years is the way he speeds up so many of the songs when they play live. this didn't seem to be a problem in the past (live on 2 legs for eg) but nowadays...

    for example, have a listen/watch immagine in cornice. the way they belt through songs like corduroy or SOLAT just doesn't sound good to me (just my opinion). the rest of the band seem to be racing to keep up with the tempo MC sets. this is particularly noticeable on songs like corduroy, which starts at the "right" tempo until the drums come in, then it just speeds up, way past what to me sounds good/right. arghh!!!

    another song that has been killed in recent years because of MC's tempo is even flow. this song used to have such a huge groove but now they just barrel through it far too quickly and the groove is lost. and what is up with the drum solo?! IMHO, there's not need for it. i don't doubt MC can play drums, he's good, but to me that songs was great without the drum solo. but now... sigh! sometimes i worry one of the guys' heads, particularly ed's will explode trying to keep up with MC!

    i don't need the songs to sound like the records verbatim when they play live, i LIKE things live, loose, with mistakes and rough edges etc. please, try and slow down for the next (and future) tours.
  • 12345AGNST112345AGNST1 Posts: 4,906
    I think evenflow sounds awesome now, the older ones are too slow IMO. Maybe its just cuz I got into PJ when they had Matt and not the other drummers. Evenflow is a song they play at almost every show, they should change its style. I personally like the speedier version with mike whaling on the guitar longer. Notice how the older versions were shorter then the faster newer ones, thats because mike solos longer now, and sometimes Matt solos. I prefer that much more. I look forward to hearing evenflow on bootlegs.
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  • DewieCoxDewieCox Posts: 11,430
    12345AGNST1 wrote:
    I think evenflow sounds awesome now, the older ones are too slow IMO. Maybe its just cuz I got into PJ when they had Matt and not the other drummers. Evenflow is a song they play at almost every show, they should change its style. I personally like the speedier version with mike whaling on the guitar longer. Notice how the older versions were shorter then the faster newer ones, thats because mike solos longer now, and sometimes Matt solos. I prefer that much more. I look forward to hearing evenflow on bootlegs.

    Ten and Vs I don't mind bein sped up and rocked out, so much. It's really the Jack material that suffers the most, imo. I'm also not opposed to them changin the way they play stuff. What Matt does to GTF should be illegal.
  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    DewieCox wrote:
    12345AGNST1 wrote:
    I think evenflow sounds awesome now, the older ones are too slow IMO. Maybe its just cuz I got into PJ when they had Matt and not the other drummers. Evenflow is a song they play at almost every show, they should change its style. I personally like the speedier version with mike whaling on the guitar longer. Notice how the older versions were shorter then the faster newer ones, thats because mike solos longer now, and sometimes Matt solos. I prefer that much more. I look forward to hearing evenflow on bootlegs.

    Ten and Vs I don't mind bein sped up and rocked out, so much. It's really the Jack material that suffers the most, imo. I'm also not opposed to them changin the way they play stuff. What Matt does to GTF should be illegal.

    That's the one that stands out to me. That song is played so fast nowadays it sounds awful.
  • NorthShoreBluesNorthShoreBlues Posts: 181
    here's one for the dave faithful . . . check out the first symbol hit, he does it with his fist . . . ahh rock'n'roll used to be so cool.


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  • vedder_soupvedder_soup Posts: 5,861
    what about matt and dave.....

    chamberlin nad krusen :lol::lol::lol::lol:

    they do not get any love at all!! :o
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  • mrshock13mrshock13 Posts: 472
    ET45177 wrote:
    this is not so much who is the better but 1 thing that bugs me to no end about MC in recent years is the way he speeds up so many of the songs when they play live. this didn't seem to be a problem in the past (live on 2 legs for eg) but nowadays...

    for example, have a listen/watch immagine in cornice. the way they belt through songs like corduroy or SOLAT just doesn't sound good to me (just my opinion). the rest of the band seem to be racing to keep up with the tempo MC sets. this is particularly noticeable on songs like corduroy, which starts at the "right" tempo until the drums come in, then it just speeds up, way past what to me sounds good/right. arghh!!!

    another song that has been killed in recent years because of MC's tempo is even flow. this song used to have such a huge groove but now they just barrel through it far too quickly and the groove is lost. and what is up with the drum solo?! IMHO, there's not need for it. i don't doubt MC can play drums, he's good, but to me that songs was great without the drum solo. but now... sigh! sometimes i worry one of the guys' heads, particularly ed's will explode trying to keep up with MC!

    i don't need the songs to sound like the records verbatim when they play live, i LIKE things live, loose, with mistakes and rough edges etc. please, try and slow down for the next (and future) tours.

    If you listen to the unplugged even flow version, in my opinion that is one of the best performances of the song. The beginning has a sort of blues groove, and the song is played at the perfect tempo. I do agree with some comments regarding matt's take on PJ songs that he didn't originally play the drums for, b/c dave and jack excel at the songs they played. Creating a style or adapting your own personal drumming style to anothers takes time. Sometimes the best solution is to simply create a rhythm that fits the song and your style, though sometimes this fails miserably. As a drummer, that's why I try to recreate the general style of the drumming for a song. For example, on songs that I know and prefer Dave's playing, such as porch or SOLAT, I have to practice those more since he uses a lot more left-hand stick roles and cymbal fills than most other drummers.
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