Photos of Timothy McVeigh at US Army Base for Demolitions

DriftingByTheStorm

Just stumbled across the following: Photographic stills from a video showing Timothy McVeigh (the convicted OKC bombing suspect) at Camp Grafton, North Dakota, an Army Base that specializes in demolition training -- just 18 months before the bombing.

The kicker?
The FBI denies that McVeigh had ANY military involvement at this time (1993).

Good snippet from article:

Hustler wrote:

HUSTLER has obtained previously unseen video footage showing convicted and executed bomber Timothy McVeigh undergoing military training in 1993—at a time when the FBI claims he had no military affiliations.

In Utah a judge issued a ruling in 2006 stating that the FBI had documented foreknowledge of McVeigh’s movements and of the April 19, 1995 attack. The ruling has prompted two U.S. Congressmen—Republicans Henry Hyde of Illinois and Dana Rohrabacher of California—to call for new hearings and for the release of suppressed FBI documents.

The new evidence raises chilling questions: What would McVeigh have been doing at a military training center less than two years prior to the bombing? How could the FBI not have known about his presence there if it had been tracking McVeigh and his fellow extremists?

cornnifer

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

Just stumbled across the following: Photographic stills from a video showing Timothy McVeigh (the convicted OKC bombing suspect) at Camp Grafton, North Dakota, an Army Base that specializes in demolition training -- just 18 months before the bombing.

The kicker?
The FBI denies that McVeigh had ANY military involvement at this time (1993).

Good snippet from article:

Hustler wrote:

HUSTLER has obtained previously unseen video footage showing convicted and executed bomber Timothy McVeigh undergoing military training in 1993—at a time when the FBI claims he had no military affiliations.

In Utah a judge issued a ruling in 2006 stating that the FBI had documented foreknowledge of McVeigh’s movements and of the April 19, 1995 attack. The ruling has prompted two U.S. Congressmen—Republicans Henry Hyde of Illinois and Dana Rohrabacher of California—to call for new hearings and for the release of suppressed FBI documents.

The new evidence raises chilling questions: What would McVeigh have been doing at a military training center less than two years prior to the bombing? How could the FBI not have known about his presence there if it had been tracking McVeigh and his fellow extremists?

Hustler. Nice source. Very reputable. So now the government is responsible for the OKC bombing?

soulsinging

The tool my ex-dumped me for looks like McVeigh. At first it made me laugh that she's dating a douchebag, then it made me think about what it says about me that she'd leave me for a douchebag that looks like McVeigh.

blackredyellow

soulsinging wrote:

The tool my ex-dumped me for looks like McVeigh. At first it made me laugh that she's dating a douchebag, then it made me think about what it says about me that she'd leave me for a douchebag that looks like McVeigh.

Yeah... imagine finding a scrawny young white guy with a crew-cut/flat top at an Army base... You could probably walk through that base today and see 50 people who resemble McVeigh... Add a hat like the kid in the pictures, and you'd probably find 100.

ledvedderman

If that is Timothy McVeight...I'm Roger Rabbit

Commy

There is a lot about the official story that doesn't add up.

Before you dismiss this as just another conspiracy theory just check out the following...


http://www.apfn.org/APFN/yeakey.htm

by Pat Shannan
Most people today believe someone other than James Earl Ray shot Martin
Luther King. They have judged the facts, not the standard news media spin.
Someday the world opinion will do an about-face and swing in favor of
another unjustly convicted man, Tim McVeigh. If AP and the talking heads
would only report the truth about ANFO and its impotency, most of the
thinking public would have to conclude that Tim McVeigh could not be guilty
of murdering anyone. (actually the evidence suggests McVeigh was still involved) This is already a known fact, but the media are
suppressing it. Contrary to news reports, the persons found guilty could not
have been solely responsible. An Oklahoma City police sergeant became aware
of this before anyone else, apparently during the first hour of rescue. He
paid for that discovery with his life.

Terry Yeakey was a giant of a man with a heart as big as the rest of him. I
wish I had known him. He was a crusader for truth. Whenever his name is
mentioned, I think of the news photo of him sprinting down NW 5th Street
toward the Murrah Building on another of the many rescue missions he
performed that ugly day. In his blue uniform, he tends to remind us of a NFL
linebacker about to put the sack on an unfortunate quarterback, but this is
quickly overridden by the grave concern on the face of a policeman in a
panic to save lives.

After numerous private investigators produced irrefutable evidence of
multiple explosions, unexploded bombs being hauled away after the fact, and
the complete and total incapability of an Ammonium Nitrate Fuel Oil (ANFO)
bomb to cause the cause the kind of devastation seen in downtown Oklahoma
City, a giant government cover-up became obvious.

Only a couple of hours into the rescue, Sgt. Terrence Yeakey became
painfully aware of something disturbing. Did he somehow figure out that the
building had been blown from the inside and that the news reports were
baloney? Did he overhear a strange conversation from some of the many ATF
agents who were on the scene sooner than they should have been? Whatever it
was, Terry was upset. He called his wife that morning crying - the big ol'
Teddy Bear of a guy was crying - and saying repeatedly, "It's not true. It's
not what they are saying. It didn't happen that way." Terry Yeakey may have
been the first to discover the sham.

He ran back and forth into that concrete mess of bricks and mortar all day
long and continued beyond exhaustion, far into the night. He scraped and
crawled and dug until his fingers bled and then kept digging some more. In a
cadre of heroes that day, Terry's performance was outstanding. On May 11th,
the following year he was scheduled to receive the Medal of Valor from the
Oklahoma City Police Department. He never got it. He was murdered on May 8,
1996, in the country - two and a half miles west of the El Reno
Penitentiary.

The official report said "Suicide," and anyone who believes an ANFO bomb
destroyed Murrah and the other surrounding buildings will believe this.
According to the report, Terry slashed himself eleven times on both forearms
before cutting his own throat twice near the jugular vein. Then, apparently
seeking even a more private place to die, he crawled another mile of rough
terrain away from his car and climbed a fence, before shooting himself in
the head with a small caliber revolver. What appeared to be rope burns on
his neck, handcuff bruises to his wrists, and muddy grass imbedded in his
slash wounds strongly indicated that he had some help in traversing this
final distance.

The bullet's entrance wound was in the right temple, above the eye. It went
through the policeman's head and exited in the area of the left cheek, near
the bottom of the ear lobe line. The trajectory was from a 40-45 degree
angle above his head. There were no powder burns. No weapon was ever
reported as found at the scene, but independent investigators speculated
that had Yeakey shot himself with standard police issue - a Glock 9mm or a
.357 Magnum - his head would have been far more destroyed than it apparently
was.

One of the last people Officer Yeakey talked to was a friend who knew he was
on a mission of private investigation. Terry had told him that he was on his
way to El Reno to check out something but first he had to shake the FBI
agents who were following him. He was traveling in his private automobile,
and witnesses said later that the inside looked like someone had "butchered
a hog" on the front seat.

While political assassinations within American borders have become more
prevalent in recent years, the ploy to place the blame on someone else -
even the victim himself - is nothing new. Neither is the gullibility of the
American public.

a guy cuts his wrists a bunch of times, then cuts his own throat, then crawls a mile, climbs over a fence, and then shoots himself in the head from a strange angle, leaves no powder burns, and the gun vanishes somehow, And its ruled a SUICIDE???



General Benton K. Partin. A retired U.S. Air Force Brigadier General, tested explosives in the military. Everything but nukes. He delivered a letter to every member of Congress and the Senate,

"When I first saw the pictures of the truck-bomb's asymmetrical damage to the Federal Building, my immediate reaction was that the pattern of damage would have been technically impossible without supplementing demolition charges at some of the reinforcing concrete column bases…. For a simplistic blast truck-bomb, of the size and composition reported, to be able to reach out on the order of 60 feet and collapse a reinforced column base the size of column A-7 is beyond credulity." emphasis added.


Samuel Cohen, inventor of the Neutron Bomb, had this to say about the bomb,

"It would have been absolutely impossible and against the laws of nature for a truck full of fertilizer and fuel oil… no matter how much was used… to bring the building down."


Sam Gronning, a licensed, professional blaster in Casper, Wyoming with 30 years experience in explosives, told The New American

"The Partin letter states in very precise technical terms what everyone in this business knows: No truck-bomb of ANFO out in the open is going to cause the kind of damage we had there in Oklahoma City. In 30 years of blasting, using everything from 100 percent nitrogel to ANFO, I've not seen anything to support that story."[8]



The list goes on and on.


I suggest reading http://www.constitution.org/ocbpt/ocbpt.htm someone put a lot of time into it.


more from the book....

Then on March 20, 1996,Strategic Investment Newsletter reported that a Pentagon study had been leaked which backed up General Partin's analysis:

A classified report prepared by two independent Pentagon experts has concluded that the destruction of the federal building in Oklahoma City last April was caused by five separate bombs. The two experts reached the same conclusion for the same technical reasons. Sources close to the Pentagon study say Timothy McVeigh did play a role in the bombing but peripherally, as a "useful idiot." The multiple bombings have a Middle Eastern "signature," pointing to either Iraqi or Syrian involvement.




there's a thick web around this one, but the reasons why aren't so clear (to me anyway).

Commy

It seems that there is a cover up going on with the Oklahoma City bombing-dozens of accounts from experts claim that a fertalizer bomb can't possibly cause that kind of structural damage to steel and concrete. 2 separate Pentagon investigations found that the damage was likely the result of 5 separate explosions. An airforce base built a structure similar to the federal building (with 10 times LESS steel) and tried to blow it up -the damge was 1% of that found on the Murrah building, with a similar amount of explosives.

My question is why? what is the motive for covering up the involvement of say "the 2 suspicious arabs" or the fact that the entire bombing had a middle eastern accent. What's the motive for covering it up?

"Everything happens for a reason in politics" I think FDR said that. So what's the reason for blaming a local home grown terrorist for the attack? To crack down on dissidents at home? Expand surveillance powers at home? give the authorities an excuse to spy on its own citizens?

Seems fishy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRj8ctL4Zjk

stickfig13

Commy wrote:

It seems that there is a cover up going on with the Oklahoma City bombing-dozens of accounts from experts claim that a fertalizer bomb can't possibly cause that kind of structural damage to steel and concrete. 2 separate Pentagon investigations found that the damage was likely the result of 5 separate explosions. An airforce base built a structure similar to the federal building (with 10 times LESS steel) and tried to blow it up -the damge was 1% of that found on the Murrah building, with a similar amount of explosives.

My question is why? what is the motive for covering up the involvement of say "the 2 suspicious arabs" or the fact that the entire bombing had a middle eastern accent. What's the motive for covering it up?

"Everything happens for a reason in politics" I think FDR said that. So what's the reason for blaming a local home grown terrorist for the attack? To crack down on dissidents at home? Expand surveillance powers at home? give the authorities an excuse to spy on its own citizens?

Seems fishy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRj8ctL4Zjk

Which way do you fold the tin foil so that it fits your head?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tin_foil_hat

soulsinging

Commy wrote:

It seems that there is a cover up going on with the Oklahoma City bombing-dozens of accounts from experts claim that a fertalizer bomb can't possibly cause that kind of structural damage to steel and concrete.

I'm beginning to get the impression that anytime any bomb goes off anywhere, you would be able to find dozens of experts that will swear the bomb could not have caused the damage it did and thus there has to be a conspiracy. I've heard it up and down wrt 9/11, this is the first time I've heard it about OKC though. How about the USS Cole? Can you find one on that for me? Ooooh.... get me the US embassy bombing from the 80s, that'd be a good one! Maybe the Madrid and London bombings too, there was always something fishy about those. I mean, why bomb a bus or a train, seriously? And did you notice that these bombings ALWAYS occur on a day that ends in 'y'? That's fucked up man.

VINNY GOOMBA

soulsinging wrote:

Commy wrote:

It seems that there is a cover up going on with the Oklahoma City bombing-dozens of accounts from experts claim that a fertalizer bomb can't possibly cause that kind of structural damage to steel and concrete.

I'm beginning to get the impression that anytime any bomb goes off anywhere, you would be able to find dozens of experts that will swear the bomb could not have caused the damage it did and thus there has to be a conspiracy. I've heard it up and down wrt 9/11, this is the first time I've heard it about OKC though. How about the USS Cole? Can you find one on that for me? Ooooh.... get me the US embassy bombing from the 80s, that'd be a good one! Maybe the Madrid and London bombings too, there was always something fishy about those. I mean, why bomb a bus or a train, seriously? And did you notice that these bombings ALWAYS occur on a day that ends in 'y'? That's fucked up man.

Interesting isn't it?

I struggle with this stuff. I don't see how every major event is pulled off by a shadowy group of men. Maybe quite a few are, but all of them? Whatever happened to the very plausible idea that there are some crazies out there who want to see the world burn (kind of like the Joker said in Batman)?

I guess the hard part to attributing a lot of these attacks to crazy people is how these people actually obtain the resources that they would require to pull off a job like at Oklahoma City. It'd seem you'd have to have some connections to get what you needed to pull off such an atrocity.

That being said, the picture does like Timothy McVeigh, but like someone said earlier, who in the military doesn't? I will reserve all judgement until after I research as always.

Commy

soulsinging wrote:

Commy wrote:

It seems that there is a cover up going on with the Oklahoma City bombing-dozens of accounts from experts claim that a fertalizer bomb can't possibly cause that kind of structural damage to steel and concrete.

I'm beginning to get the impression that anytime any bomb goes off anywhere, you would be able to find dozens of experts that will swear the bomb could not have caused the damage it did and thus there has to be a conspiracy. I've heard it up and down wrt 9/11, this is the first time I've heard it about OKC though. How about the USS Cole? Can you find one on that for me? Ooooh.... get me the US embassy bombing from the 80s, that'd be a good one! Maybe the Madrid and London bombings too, there was always something fishy about those. I mean, why bomb a bus or a train, seriously? And did you notice that these bombings ALWAYS occur on a day that ends in 'y'? That's fucked up man.

Look at the case. Do ten minutes of research into this one. Even 5. Right away you'll notice it doesn't add up.

OR.

Continue to accept what the authorities tell you. Like with the gulf of Tonkin incident. Sure, lets all believe the official version. :roll:

DriftingByTheStorm

VINNY GOOMBA wrote:

soulsinging wrote:

Commy wrote:

It seems that there is a cover up going on with the Oklahoma City bombing-dozens of accounts from experts claim that a fertalizer bomb can't possibly cause that kind of structural damage to steel and concrete.

I'm beginning to get the impression that anytime any bomb goes off anywhere, you would be able to find dozens of experts that will swear the bomb could not have caused the damage it did and thus there has to be a conspiracy. I've heard it up and down wrt 9/11, this is the first time I've heard it about OKC though. How about the USS Cole? Can you find one on that for me? Ooooh.... get me the US embassy bombing from the 80s, that'd be a good one! Maybe the Madrid and London bombings too, there was always something fishy about those. I mean, why bomb a bus or a train, seriously? And did you notice that these bombings ALWAYS occur on a day that ends in 'y'? That's fucked up man.

Interesting isn't it?

I struggle with this stuff. I don't see how every major event is pulled off by a shadowy group of men. Maybe quite a few are, but all of them? Whatever happened to the very plausible idea that there are some crazies out there who want to see the world burn (kind of like the Joker said in Batman)?

I guess the hard part to attributing a lot of these attacks to crazy people is how these people actually obtain the resources that they would require to pull off a job like at Oklahoma City. It'd seem you'd have to have some connections to get what you needed to pull off such an atrocity.

That being said, the picture does like Timothy McVeigh, but like someone said earlier, who in the military doesn't? I will reserve all judgement until after I research as always.

Yeah,

after further looking in to the Hustler photo story,
i think it is indeed bunk.
Someone on a forum (AboveTopSecret, i think) pointed out that the photograph shows an E4 Specialist rank on the uniform, and unless McVeigh was demoted off the record (for show), he should have been an E5 officer.

Something like that.

Anyhow,
as far as i'm concerned all anyone needs to do to realize that OKC is a load of horse shit is to watch
INDICTMENT: INSIDE THE OKLAHOMA CITY GRAND JURY with Hoppy Heidelberg who was actually dismissed from the OKC Bombing trial GRAND JURY for being a bit too inquisitive.
You can NOT watch that documentary and not coming out smelling fishy all over.

There are probably a half dozen other movies i could recommend on the subject -- Murder in the Heartland; Cover Up in Oklahoma; OKC Bombing: Evidence of Government Involvement, and on and on -- but i think of them all the one that REALLY makes it clear is just listening to a fellow citizen and former Grand Jury member of the case explaining just how reluctant our super-seedy government was to do any real investigation of the case before the trial. It was a fucking joke.

Beyond that there are two other glaring problems with the governments version of the story.
1. Multiple Local News Reports announced several times a piece that OTHER BOMBS WERE RECOVERED FROM INSIDE THE BUILDING. These reports were continuous. 2 or 3 other bombs were reportedly removed, unexploded. They had bomb squads running in and out of the building, and some of the footage even shows this. listen here around 4:28

2. There is surveilance footage from the front of the building which clearly shows a SECOND MAN EXITING THE PASSENGER SEAT OF THE RYDER TRUCK. BUT THE GOVERNMENT WONT RELEASE IT.
SHOCKING.

If Timothy McVeigh did this alone,
why did someone else get out of the truck with him?
see here

So...
who the fuck is John Doe #2 and why doesn't the government want to talk about him?
Is it because the guy had brown skin, and links to "Al CIAda"?

Abookamongstthemany

The OKC bombing has been under scrutiny since day one. If you're not going to take the time to read the link, don't bother with the per usual insult/sarcasm...I'm only interested in civil discussion here.

http://www.disinfo.com/archive/pages/ar ... index.html

Also, some people automatically reject conspiracies simply because it's a conspiracy just as readily as people who automatically accept them all. Conspiracies DO happen and sometimes they don't...it's up to all of us who are interested to decide for ourselves upon viewing the information out there.

soulsinging

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

So...
who the fuck is John Doe #2 and why doesn't the government want to talk about him?
Is it because the guy had brown skin, and links to "Al CIAda"?

John Doe #2 was nobody. He was a guy that came into the truck rental shop with a guy that looked vaguely like McVeigh the day before McVeigh actually came in. The shop owner got them confused when he first spoke to the FBI.

DriftingByTheStorm

soulsinging wrote:

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

So...
who the fuck is John Doe #2 and why doesn't the government want to talk about him?
Is it because the guy had brown skin, and links to "Al CIAda"?

John Doe #2 was nobody. He was a guy that came into the truck rental shop with a guy that looked vaguely like McVeigh the day before McVeigh actually came in. The shop owner got them confused when he first spoke to the FBI.

i'm talking about the guy who was, according to MULTIPLE EYE WITNESS ACCOUNTS and allegedly ACCORDING TO SECURITY CAMERA FOOTAGE, WAS PRESENT, AND EXITED THE RYDER TRUCK, ON THE DAY OF THE BOMBING, AT THE FEDERAL BUILDING.

and welcome back Abook!


EDIT: article on SURVEILANCE TAPE SHOWING JOHN DOE #2 EXITING RYDER TRUCK AT CRIME SCENE

or here is another article which quotes local news sources saying much the same (search document for "kelly ogle" and start reading there) ...

Abookamongstthemany

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

and welcome back Abook!

Hey Drifting!

SPEEDY MCCREADY

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

and welcome back Abook!

Hey Drifting!

ABOOK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

where the hell have you been?????

hope all is well in your world..........

and its GREAT to see you here..........

Abookamongstthemany

SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

and welcome back Abook!

Hey Drifting!

ABOOK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

where the hell have you been?????

hope all is well in your world..........

and its GREAT to see you here..........

SPEEDY!!!!

What is up!!!!?

I've been busy but all is well.

It's great to see you guys, too!

my2hands

i like abook with the darker hair in her avatar


howdy abook, i come in peace