Were people killed when WTC 7 came down?
musicismylife78
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Obviously people werent alerted the building was coming down, and its almost universally accepted it seems, even if you dont think the WTC were an inside job, that WTC 7 was a controlled demoliation.
So my question, were people killed when WTC 7 came down? People could have been standing nearby right?
So my question, were people killed when WTC 7 came down? People could have been standing nearby right?
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Yes, Building 7 is probably the shadiest part of 9/11. I never read the 9/11 commission report, but as I understand it, building 7 had less than a paragraph's mention in there. If people understood "9/11 Truth" to be more about the inconsistencies in the official story like building 7, and less about "OMG THE GOVERNMENT DID IT!!! BUSH IS EVIL!!!" it might actually get somewhere.
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technol ... age=5#wtc7
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Makes sense... Except, what about "pull it"? It seems that this article seems to say that most of what they thought was wrong with building 7 was discovered at a later date. How did they know that the building was going to come down that day?
Not only that, but his story included mentions of large explosions INSIDE OF WTC7 that blew him back UP a stair well and left him trapped for over an hour.
Barry Jennings died last year, shortly after his story was run in some Alex Jones documentaries, and he received mainstream media coverage (by 911 Cover Up programs, ie anything Discovery or BBC) and also, as he claimed, several open threats on his job and life.
1 year later, and still NO CAUSE OF DEATH for Mr. Jennings.
and Binfrog,
nice link to that stupid Popular Mechanics BS.
Popular Mechanics, owned by Hearst Publishing ...
Hearst = Massive Mega Establishment corporation that HA BEEN COMPLICIT WITH THE CIA FOR DECADES.
Don't believe me?
Here is a Rolling Stone article from 1977 (when the country was in an uproar over the CIA, and the House Select Committee on Assassinations was on the verge of utterly destroying the CIA by exposing its involvement in the murders of JFK, RFK, and MLK).
How Americas Most Powerful News Media Worked Hand in Glove with the Central Intelligence Agency and Why the Church Committee Covered It Up
And i bet today they are squeaky clean, right?
Cause i mean, i can smell the "yeah, that was 1977, buddy" coming on ...
'Popular Mechanics' & Other CIA Front Organizations ... not exactly conclusive, but throw it along side that Rolling Stone piece which sites AGENCY SOURCES (ie. from within the CIA itself, "THE agency") ... and also using a dash of plain old common sense ... its not awfuly hard to figure out you are being lied to on all sides by the MSM and the Government.
Or perhaps you've seen this?
Phone call to Davin Coburn of Popular Mechanics. Funny shit. or this one. Make sure to listen to part two where Coburn tries to explain how Popular Mechanics is right because THEY WERE GIVEN SPECIAL ACCESS TO PHOTOS THAT OTHER JOURNALISTS AND THE PUBLIC AREN'T ALLOWED TO SEE.
Make any sense to you?
WTF is so special about PopMech that the government can prove its case directly to THEM, but not to US?
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This guy just doesn't go over with me.
If you want to go line by line through the Popular Mechanics piece, i'm sure we can agree that SOME of what is in there is true.
Why?
Because some of the 911 Truth arguments themselves are\were either
a. well intended working hypothesis that later fell apart
b. were disinfo and false opposition from the start
So what does Hearst have to say about Odigo, or the dancing israelis and their sock full of money, or their sham moving company, with its 400K federal government small business loan that dissapeared in the blink of an eye after 911 or the fact that more than a handfull of these terrorists actually TRAINED IN AMERICA under Army\Intelligence supervision? Or that at least one of them got in to the country despite being on the terrorist watch list ... or the fact that some FIFTEEN OF SEVENTEEN hijackers were SAUDI ... and THAT WE HAVE BEEN USING THE SAUDIS AS OUR PRIMARY PROXY FOR INTELLIGENCE CONCERNS SINCE Gerald Ford appointed Bush the CIA director in the 70's (look it up, Saudi Arabia does more of our outsourced intelligence work than ANY country, save MAYBE for Israel itself) ...
... oh man.
i got to stay away from this place!
If I opened it now would you not understand?
If you've seen ground zero or Manhattan in general you know all those buildings are cramped in together really close and tight. The towers were only around 500 feet away from 7. What do people think is going to happen to smaller surrounding buildings when two 100+ story buildings come tumbling down? I was just at ground zero and The National September 11 Memorial & Museum 3 weeks ago. They give tours with first hand witnesses that were there that morning who will answer questions. Not one person mentioned anything about building 7 or any other inside job claim.
Well said, I like this how this guy thinks.
http://www.nist.gov/public_affairs/rele ... 82108.html
NIST WTC 7 Investigation Finds Building Fires Caused Collapse
I hope you read it
assuming you are correct, how do you explain "we pulled it". The statement uttered by the lease holder of WTC 7.
And just from a purely optical standpoint. Go to any youtube video of the WTC 7 collapse.
That is an odd way for a building to come down due to fires. Its mindblowingly fast, the speed at which it collapses, and its uniform. It isnt lopsided either. Its flat, fast and quick.
While those who say the WTC 1 and 2 was a controlled demo, in those collapses, the tops sort of shattered as well, and you had a ton of debris fall. Hard to describe. But put those three videos side by side. WTC1, 2, and 7. 1 and 2 look similar, WTC 7 looks odd and out of place in terms of the way it fell.
I love how people always quote official government and federal sources to debunk conspiracy theories. You do know that conspiracy theorists believe the government is covering stuff up right? So why would they put faith, or why would anyone put faith in government sources period?
The government isnt truthful, and those in power arent either. Thats a proven fact, whether you are in agreement with the conspiracy folks, or not.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123419045021563711.html
Before fire -- http://www.archdaily.com/wp-content/upl ... 329x90.jpg
After fire -- http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/mu ... 93132c.jpg
and the point of of this is what exactly?
I guess the Chinese make a stronger building. They are known for going the extra mile -- they must have somehow missed all of the critical mistakes in design and parts from that government issued report on WTC 7 you linked. Pretty lucky.
all buildings are made differently. so again, what is your point?
what a ROCK solid case you make. I guess I shouldnt be allowed to have kids.
this place is quickly turning into amateur hour.
Yes, all buildings are made differently but this just happened to be the only building ever to collapse from fire. If you want to believe the government report about this then that is your right. I just dont understand why you have to be such a jackass to those who dont. Do you understand my point now?
did you also know that this is the first time in history that a building (of this HUGE size) had NO working sprinkler system because the collapse of WTC 1&2 severed the water main into the building.
did you read the report or completely dismiss it because it came from the NIST?
Determining the probable collapse sequence for WTC 7, NIST found that the impact of debris from the collapse of WTC 1 ignited fires on at least 10 floors of WTC 7, and the fires burned out of control on six lower floors. The heat from these uncontrolled fires caused thermal expansion of the steel beams on the lower floors of the east side of WTC 7, damaging the floor framing on multiple floors. Eventually, a girder on Floor 13 lost its connection to a critical interior column that provided support for the long floor spans on the east side of the building. The displaced girder and other local fire-induced damage caused Floor 13 to collapse, beginning a cascade of floor failures down to the fifth floor. Many of these floors had already been at least partially weakened by the fires in the vicinity of the critical column. This collapse of floors left the critical column unsupported over nine stories.
“When this critical column buckled due to lack of floor supports, it was the first domino in the chain,” Sunder explained. “What followed in rapid succession was a progression of structural failures. Failure first occurred all the way to the roof line—involving all three interior columns on the most eastern side of the building. Then, progressing from east to west across WTC 7, all of the columns in the core of the building failed. Finally, the entire façade collapsed.”
Larry Silverstein didn't get to where he is in this world by being a moron. What makes you think this guy would make the ultimate snafu and say pull as in "pull the building" not "get the people from the building before it came down". Also, if he's as evil and powerful as people claim...how could he not have gotten that footage cut before it ever saw the light of day?
http://www.reverbnation.com/brianzilm
I wont even go into the explosions that can be seen as the building come down. They are the plumes that are created when a building is demolished.