Obama sending 4,000 kids to Afghanistan
musicismylife78
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Outrageous beyond belief.
What I dont get is how this is even possible. What is going on is his mind and psyche that makes him think people are gonna buy into this or accept it.
I didnt buy into the whole "obama is the next messiah" hype that surrounded the election, and didnt vote for him. I knew he was lying and I knew he was another politician, but what I dont get is why he was marketed by liberals as some kind of new and fresh face.
I knew he wasnt an antiwar candidate and I think he marketed himself as such. He said he was going to end the war in Iraq.
Is ramping up and escalating the war in Afghanistan really what our country needs at this point in time? In the middle of the worst economy since the great depression?
My mind always thinks of the six year old child, whose mother, or father, or brother or cousin, is one of these 4,000 sent to afghanistan. Does it matter to him or her, if it is Clinton, Bush, Kerry, Obama or anyone else, who sends their loved one to die? No it doesnt, they just want their loved one back home, alive, breathing.
Thats why I think this whole politics thing is a big joke. War is wrong and always has been. I vehemently protested and objected to Bush's waging wars in foreign lands. And I will just as strongly object to Obama and his crusade to send more youngsters to die.
War is wrong REGUARDLESS of who is waging it.
The characters thats Ed and Damien Echols wrote about in Army Reserve are real. And they dont give a damn if Bush or Obama is sending their loved ones to die. Its the sending of their loved ones thats the horrific thing.
As long as the war continues Obama and his ilk, his advisors and all those who continue to wage this immoral and criminal war, will and should be considered our enemies. If nothing else, at least to bring the soldiers back home and reunite them with their loved ones, bring them back home, where they belong.
What I dont get is how this is even possible. What is going on is his mind and psyche that makes him think people are gonna buy into this or accept it.
I didnt buy into the whole "obama is the next messiah" hype that surrounded the election, and didnt vote for him. I knew he was lying and I knew he was another politician, but what I dont get is why he was marketed by liberals as some kind of new and fresh face.
I knew he wasnt an antiwar candidate and I think he marketed himself as such. He said he was going to end the war in Iraq.
Is ramping up and escalating the war in Afghanistan really what our country needs at this point in time? In the middle of the worst economy since the great depression?
My mind always thinks of the six year old child, whose mother, or father, or brother or cousin, is one of these 4,000 sent to afghanistan. Does it matter to him or her, if it is Clinton, Bush, Kerry, Obama or anyone else, who sends their loved one to die? No it doesnt, they just want their loved one back home, alive, breathing.
Thats why I think this whole politics thing is a big joke. War is wrong and always has been. I vehemently protested and objected to Bush's waging wars in foreign lands. And I will just as strongly object to Obama and his crusade to send more youngsters to die.
War is wrong REGUARDLESS of who is waging it.
The characters thats Ed and Damien Echols wrote about in Army Reserve are real. And they dont give a damn if Bush or Obama is sending their loved ones to die. Its the sending of their loved ones thats the horrific thing.
As long as the war continues Obama and his ilk, his advisors and all those who continue to wage this immoral and criminal war, will and should be considered our enemies. If nothing else, at least to bring the soldiers back home and reunite them with their loved ones, bring them back home, where they belong.
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until you had to bring up the convicted child killer Damien Echols......
You are against war....i get that...
but then you need to bring up a song that was written by a convicted child murderer??????
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
This fact alone makes the OP tone def... nice try though.
As I said, I didnt vote for obama, and knew he was lying, so how am I tonedeaf?
Obama, and his supporters, which included those in the antiwar "movement" acted as if voting Obama in office was essential to ending the war. This was seen time and time again, even at peace protests.
As I said before, in countless threads, obama said he wasnt a pacifist and was going to escalate the war in afghanistan. He said it in Newsweek. That said, there is a disconnect.
Thats what i wanted to point out.
How is it that a ton of people who are against the war, voted for obama, on the basis of "obama will end the war", and then contrast this with words obama was using, in a major news magazine like Newsweek.
Why is there this disconnect?
I remember leading up to the 2004 election, having heated debates with my parents. I said Kerry wanted to send more troops to Iraq, and this is exactly what he said. He said it publicly, but my parents refused to admit he said it, and voted for him on the basis that he knew the horror of war and would not continue the war.
Its like people are on LSD or something.
Its not like Obama and Kerry are saying these things on some alternative news source, in some alternative weekly, or some show on tv that gets 10 viewers a night. Kerry and Obama both said the thing discussed in this post, on CSPAN, or during Presidential Debates or in the pages of Newsweek.
Its not me, but those millions of folks who voted for obama on the basis of ending the war, who are tonedeaf
how did I know this...I paid attention to what he said...
Those who are saying he said he would end the war ASAP weren't paying attention...
Why would he.
THAT HAS BEEN THE PLAN SINCE BUSH "STARTED" THIS MESS.
Go in to the region, and NEVER come back.
NEVER.
So,
WHY AFGHANISTAN?
What interest could we POSSIBLY have in AFGHANISTAN ?!?
Agenda: Setting Up Client States
The Oil Factor
Our Interests Explained ,(uncut version)
Protect and maintain oil pipelines, establish and protect Pro-Western government, maintain permanent bases, encapsulate Russia and China and undermine their interests in the region.
If I opened it now would you not understand?
if millions voted for obama on that, you bet they'd be wrong...but it would be their OWN mistake, not obama's. you keep trying to make the case that obama sold himself as anti-war, but he NEVER did. he talked of ending the iraqi war sooner than anyone else....and THAt is one of MANY reasons millions agreed with him. his actions are totally unsuprising to anyone who actually LISTENED to him and supported him.
YOU may well be anti-war, period....but many, many americans are not. i was absolutely against the iraqi war from day one, but i am not anti-war outright.
and those 'kids' enlisted....and perhaps might have nelisted in the hopes of fighting against terrorism by actually going up against governments that support and harbor terrorists. you know, like afghanastan, NOT iraq. afganastan is where we should've gone after 09.11, NOT iraq.....
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
Amazing, the hypocrisy that is so rampant nowadays its actually turning reasonable thinking people into those who have lost the ability to formulate an original thought. How is it that under one leader, they're soldiers/ heroes - under another leader they're kids being order to die? Same wars, same places, same misguided agendas.
Here's a hint, Bush designated himself as the Decider, y'all planted and used the term Messiah in context with President Obama, it wasn't of his chosing or desire to be referred to as such.
Our victory solution in Iraq was to build a wall around the entire city of Baghdad, the capital of Iraq, where the largest structure within the city is the U.S. Embassy giving the impact of a Gaza Strip or Berlin. Where's the victory? Where's the honor? How long will we have to wait for the world to say, "tear down that wall America".
Now, here you are mimicking talking points on Afghanistan when our military leaders are begging for additional help, even if it means bringing Blackwater back. These Afghanistan rebels held back the Russian ground military, what do think we'll accomplish with our existing contingency of troops? Yet, when President Obama reaches out to start a dialogue with the Arab world, he's mocked and scorned.
Obama ran on the fact that Afghanistan should have been the focus of the war, not Iraq, so it is not surprising that he will respond to the needs of the military in Afghanistan. The question that needs to be answered is what is the goal in Afghanistan, so that a time table can be accomplished without a lot of bloodshed on either side.
YOU may well be anti-war, period....but many, many americans are not. i was absolutely against the iraqi war from day one, but i am not anti-war outright.
and those 'kids' enlisted....and perhaps might have nelisted in the hopes of fighting against terrorism by actually going up against governments that support and harbor terrorists. you know, like afghanastan, NOT iraq. afganastan is where we should've gone after 09.11, NOT iraq.....[/quote]
But war is never like that. Those kids i refer to wont be going up against governments that harbored terrorists. They will be going up against, an entire populace that despises america for making their homeland unliveable. The insurgency isnt a minority thing. Its the mainstream. And I dont blame them. If you killed a brother of someone, or mother, or sister, do you really think that the survivor would willingly lie there and sit still?
You may think we can eradicate terrorism with bombs and bullets and tanks, but I am not as naive. Even if we have 300,000 troops in Afghnanistan, nothing would ever end terrorism.
No amount of war in afghanistan will bring back the 3,000 people who died on 9/11. Some people seem to think otherwise.
And the US has terrorists here, so why shouldnt people bomb our country, seeing as we harbor terrorists as well
No the question that needs to be asked is, is the criminal actions bush enacted, by starting an immoral and criminal war, any different than an obama administration
And another question is, How does he expect to get the soldiers morale back up? You are naive enough to think, that the pissed off, exhausted and mentally scarred soldiers under Bush now will go "Bush is gone, yippie! Now I can fight a war and love it under Obama".
Its simple, and your the idiot making it difficult.
The soldiers are kids. In their 20's. It doesnt matter to them who is president. They just want to survive, they want their brothers and sisters fighting along side them to survive. They want to come home in one piece. And I am sure they dont like being jerked around, by Bush or anyone else
Simple really. Terrorism and war really isnt the question. Its a question of, Is it justified to send kids to a foreign land, especially when those sending them are white haired white guys for the most part
You think Obama would send Sasha and Maliah to Afghanistan?
To answer your other question, no it is NOT JUSTIFIABLE to send kids to war and we don't. We allow people who are of legal age to volunteer to join our military services. If they chose to join when they're 20 so be it.
Obama would not have the right, as a parent or as the President to send his daughters to war even if they were of legal age. They would have to chose to volunteer to join the military.
exactly.
our OP is a whole lotta soundbytes but not a whole lotta substance. i've yet to see one viable alternative actually suggested beyond 'no war'......and i've heard plenty of how he's lived on a commune, has been an activist, etc, etc....but has already abandoned it all before even 30, maybe even 25? so while i commend him speaking his mind and thoughts, without actions or viable alternatives presented...a really don't need to be 'lectured' on what is right, who is evil, etc, etc....and so it goes....
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
And I dont need to be told who I am or lectured to about my life, from someone who has never met me and is basing opinions of me on my posts on a bands forum. You dont know me. Dont act like you do. I have posted things about myself on this board, but dont act like you can know who I am or what I am about just based on that.
I love this forum and especially people on Moving Train. People act like they know exactly, your life story and what not. When in reality, very few of us have ever or will ever meet.
Lame
bottomline it is YOUR assumption that people believed obama was anti-war, or that most americans don't want war. i think what most americans wanted was/is the end to the iraqi war, but again, that does not make them anti-war full-stop. you're a pacifist, good for you....do what you can to spread that message....but we won't all necessarily agree. obama never was, nor presented himself to be, anti-war. i believe the vast majority of obama supporters knew/know that, and yet still supoort him as president.
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
I agree with what you are saying. Whenever you war on somebody it should definitely be questioned...it should also be declared by Congress before it happens in my opinion. I think maybe this one was, but I can't remember anymore...either way I don't like it.
I agree with 99 percent of your post decides2dream. I will be completely honest and say that I didn't vote for Obama but most people seem to think that he is antiwar because he was considered by a lot as the "most liberal" candidate in the 08 election. However, I can say that I've been pretty happy lately with how he's handled things so far and I feel that Afghanistan should be the focus. On top of that, when the Dow Ind. goes up 39 points in one day (Friday) that also makes me feel like there could be a silver lining.
and I just realized this was over a week old...i'm sorry!
over a million refugees. that's fucked up. the reason the Taliban is even still relevant has to do with opium sales. local warlords are funding the Taliban, with hundreds of millions of dollars. a better tactic than displacing millions of people and killing women and children might be to buy up all the poppy, in order to keep the sales out of the hands of the Taliban.
and what does killing afghan children have to do with American independence? :roll:
Are you enlisted? Do you even know anyone that is? How old are you that you find it so easy to call men in their 20's kids?
Get off your high horse dude. Your whiny histrionics only make you sound pathetically out of touch with reality. I had hoped this kind of naivete didn't exist anymore.
Have you ever met Barack Obama? Yet you feel qualified to act like you know who he is and what he is about and even go so far as to say he will go to hell... hmmm...
if it were up to the pentagon they would be even younger. they are already targeting kids as young as 17. I had 2 navy recruiters come to my house when I was in high school. I don' think I was even 18 at the time. and apparently that's illegal, as of 2002. at least in violation of what they said.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php? ... &aid=11210