Top Japanese Scientists:Warming Not Caused By Human Activity

DriftingByTheStorm

BinFrog wrote:

You're talking in circles man (as is always par for the course). You came here to "show" us that a (crackpot) team of Japanese industry-backed "scientists" said that global warming is not real and than there is some crazy conspiracy to keep the story out of the media. I call B.S., and now you've turned it into a how "Team CO2" is using it to raise our carbox taxes and drain our bank accounts even more.

I love how you use the roll-eyes emoticon like it's your job. Yes oh wise one, we're ALL just soooooo brainwashed and lack any sort of comprehension of what is really going on in the world.

How am i talking in circles, do you not see how the two ideas are related?

Someone is shoving the idea of "global warming" down your throat.
It is NOT proven, it may NOT be caused by man's C02 emissions,
and THE SOLUTION HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE REAL PROBLEMS OF GLOBAL ENVIRONMENTAL DESTRUCTION. Carbon credits and taxes will do NOTHING to solve the ALLEGED C02 problem. NOTHING. And that isn't even the real problem. The real problem is just outright resource and enviornment degredation. Your average old polluting industry, clear cutting loggers, and so forth.

"global warming" is ONE possible example of environmental destruction ...
one that isn't even proven, or probably even proveable any time soon ...

AND YET IT IS THE ONLY ASPECT OF THE PROBLEM THAT THE ELITE WANT TO FOCUS ON.

WHY?

Because it is one THEY STAND TO PROFIT IMMENSLY FROM.


LOOK AT THIS:
Rothschild: Carbon Trading Must Be Globally Regulated]
Oliver Rothschild Joins Carbon Advice Group as Chairman
Rothschild, E3 launch carbon credit investment fund

ITS BEING PUSHED BY THE BIGGEST BANKERS ON THE PLANET.

Rothschild, E3 Launch Carbon Credit Investment Fund wrote:

The investment bank said it was estimated that the global carbon trading market could be worth up to $150 billion by 2012.

$150 BILLION dollars.
Not exactly chump change.

AND ITS LARGE BANKS THAT ARE MAKING THAT MONEY.

Do your homework.

WHO is pushing for carbon taxes and credits?

Scientists, or the biggest, oldest, most powerfull, and most historicaly corrupt banking house in the world?

:roll: :roll: :roll:
triple rolls, just for you.

Talking in circles my ass.

VINNY GOOMBA

Until the government (or any government) learns to spend the people's money responsibly, new taxes are not a solution-- for global warming, or any problem. How about a solution that benefits the people, industry, and the environment, rather than taxes that go to huge government slush funds which later become horribly mis-spent?

Here's an idea, how about legalizing industrial hemp first, of which the oil from hemp seeds produce a much cleaner burning oil than any diesel? Why not allow for new industry to grow (literally), that will eventually replace dirtier fossil-fuels as part of the solution? As an added bonus, would we even have to deal with the Middle East anymore? If they wanted to buy some of our kick ass hemp oil from us, why not? There would no longer be this 'need' to occupy their countries, and we here in the U.S. would probably be a lot less hated, and could save tons of money by not operating bases over there.

Of course our actions impact the planet negatively as it stands, and we should have a MUCH greater respect for this planet in general. Why is it that the inital solution is always to throw money at the problem? Can't we ever entertain ideas that work for everybody first before placing it on the business / taxpayer?

polaris_x

global climate change is indeed man-made ... we've been thru this before - all you skeptics can either choose to educate yourself on the topic and focus on what it is that is really annoying y'all or continue to look like the same people who think the earth is flat ...

if it's a carbon tax you don't like - that's fine but these articles continue to get zero play because they are the same retread propoganda ploys put forth by industry ...

VINNY GOOMBA

polaris_x wrote:

global climate change is indeed man-made

polaris_x wrote:

if it's a carbon tax you don't like - that's fine but these articles continue to get zero play because they are the same retread propoganda ploys put forth by industry ...

I would think that climate change is in part, man made. We had an Ice Age however many thousand years ago, and man had nothing to do with that.

And yes, the carbon tax is my beef with it all. I'm all for a solution, just not that 'solution.'

polaris_x

VINNY GOOMBA wrote:

polaris_x wrote:

global climate change is indeed man-made

polaris_x wrote:

if it's a carbon tax you don't like - that's fine but these articles continue to get zero play because they are the same retread propoganda ploys put forth by industry ...

I would think that climate change is in part, man made. We had an Ice Age however many thousand years ago, and man had nothing to do with that.

And yes, the carbon tax is my beef with it all. I'm all for a solution, just not that 'solution.'

uhhh ... yeah - and there were hurricanes before man was around - what exactly is the point?

the evidence was overwhelming 5 years ago and we're still talking about it just goes to show the power of the propoganda machine ...

VINNY GOOMBA

polaris_x wrote:

VINNY GOOMBA wrote:

polaris_x wrote:

global climate change is indeed man-made

polaris_x wrote:

if it's a carbon tax you don't like - that's fine but these articles continue to get zero play because they are the same retread propoganda ploys put forth by industry ...

I would think that climate change is in part, man made. We had an Ice Age however many thousand years ago, and man had nothing to do with that.

And yes, the carbon tax is my beef with it all. I'm all for a solution, just not that 'solution.'

uhhh ... yeah - and there were hurricanes before man was around - what exactly is the point?

the evidence was overwhelming 5 years ago and we're still talking about it just goes to show the power of the propoganda machine ...

My point is that this planet obviously undergoes some serious radical changes in climate regardless of man's influence on the planet. Many scientists believe that humans wouldn't be able to breathe the air that the dinosaurs breathed, that the atmosphere was completely different then-- what changed it? Nature. Nature that is bigger, stronger, and more powerful than all of us, our 'carbon footprint' and those pesky bovine gases combined... So speaking of propaganda machines, who is to say that the current course that the planet is taking isn't 99% natural, and 1% influenced by human action?

I do believe our impact is greater than that, though.

Listen, I'm not your foe. I'm with you. What would propose as a solution to this problem other than a carbon tax. I want to see the whole planet treated with greater respect, but bear in mind "propaganda" comes from all angles.

VINNY GOOMBA

polaris_x wrote:

uhhh ... yeah - and there were hurricanes before man was around - what exactly is the point?

the evidence was overwhelming 5 years ago and we're still talking about it just goes to show the power of the propoganda machine ...

My point is that this planet obviously undergoes some serious radical changes in climate regardless of man's influence on the planet. Many scientists believe that humans wouldn't be able to breathe the air that the dinosaurs breathed, that the atmosphere was completely different then-- what changed it? Nature. Nature that is bigger, stronger, and more powerful than all of us, our 'carbon footprint' and those pesky bovine gases combined... So speaking of propaganda machines, who is to say that the current course that the planet is taking isn't 99% natural, and 1% influenced by human action?

I do believe our impact is greater than that, though.

Listen, I'm not your foe. I'm with you. What would you propose as a solution to this problem other than a carbon tax? I want to see the whole planet treated with greater respect, but bear in mind "propaganda" comes from all angles.[/quote]

polaris_x

"VINNY wrote:

My point is that this planet obviously undergoes some serious radical changes in climate regardless of man's influence on the planet. Many scientists believe that humans wouldn't be able to breathe the air that the dinosaurs breathed, that the atmosphere was completely different then-- what changed it? Nature. Nature that is bigger, stronger, and more powerful than all of us, our 'carbon footprint' and those pesky bovine gases combined... So speaking of propaganda machines, who is to say that the current course that the planet is taking isn't 99% natural, and 1% influenced by human action?

I do believe our impact is greater than that, though.

Listen, I'm not your foe. I'm with you. What would you propose as a solution to this problem other than a carbon tax? I want to see the whole planet treated with greater respect, but bear in mind "propaganda" comes from all angles.

Because there is scientific consensus on this matter - yes, the actual impact and the exact impact is difficult to measure ... what is frustrating is that we are still discussing these ridiculous articles that have only one audience and that is the people that are dead set on believing we are not causing this change ...

i'm not sure a carbon tax is the solution ... i do think it is part of the solution if we continue to operate on an unsustainable model ... the problem is that we measure the health of our economy on a metric that means doom for the environment ... our consumption regardless of climate change is far beyond what this planet can sustain ... sooo - while a carbon tax is a focus of irritance for most ... as an environmentalist - i can tell you that it is the not that significant in the grand scheme of things ...

we need to move to a model of existence that is sustainable for all - less consumption, more conservation, a different bottom line ...