And you wonder why palestinians aren't passive...
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http://www.wipeoffthemap.com/erased_english.html
its in arabic/spanish/english. the point is very clear.
its in arabic/spanish/english. the point is very clear.
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http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1067254.html
Twilight Zone / 'they told me daddy died'
By Gideon Levy
As the war in Gaza raged, Israel Defense Forces reservists apparently thought anything was permissible: It was possible, maybe even necessary, to kill innocents, in the West Bank, too. Under cover of war, they thought, they could also kill a handcuffed Palestinian.
After all, they could always claim he tried to steal their weapons - never mind that he was bound with plastic handcuffs practically impossible to get out of. A bullet in the stomach from close range finished him off. Thus ended the life of Yasser Temeizi, 35, who had a work permit and jobs in Israel all of his adult life; in the past year he had worked for the Harash company in Ashdod. He was a young father who'd never gotten in any trouble with the IDF before. The soldiers arrested him for no reason, beat him for no reason in front of one of his small children and finally executed him for no reason.
A month and a half has passed since this horrifying incident, and the army's criminal investigations division is still looking into the case. An investigation that could have been completed in an hour is going on without end. Not a single Palestinian was questioned, as usual; not a single soldier was arrested, and most likely none will be - also as usual. The reservist soldiers who killed Temeizi have likely already been sent back home; perhaps they returned feeling good about their experiences and about doing their national duty. Granted, they didn't take part in the war in Gaza, but they killed, too. Why not? Herewith, as a service to them, is the story of the consequences of their actions, which senior IDF officers have already termed "a grave incident," that involved "a series of serious failures."
Yasser Temeizi, a conscientious and hard-working laborer, lived in the village of Idna, west of Hebron. He was the husband of Haife and the father of 7-year-old Firas and 2-year-old Hala. For 15 years, he got up every morning and went to work in Israel. In recent months, he worked in Ashdod, for the Harash company, which builds cargo compartments for trucks. On his last pay slip, it says: "Type of worker: Autonomy" - in the language of the occupation. "Amount paid: NIS 3,935.73." Upon the outbreak of the military operation in Gaza, Temeizi's employers asked him not to come to work until things calmed down. But he still had to support the family, so Temeizi made his way to the "slave market" in Kiryat Gat, hoping to find odd jobs. This is what he was doing on the morning of January 13.
On that day, Ehud Barak was trying to promote a week-long "humanitarian cease-fire," the Paratroops advanced toward Gaza City and a seventh Palestinian medical worker was killed by Israeli fire. At 5:30 that morning, Temeizi set out for Kiryat Gat, his work permit in his pocket. He returned home about four hours later; he hadn't found work. His mother, Naife, made him a light breakfast and then Temeizi asked his 7-year-old son Firas if he'd like to come with him to the family olive grove about three kilometers west of their house, a few hundred meters east of the separation fence, in the territories. Father and son loaded water and food onto the family's donkey and began riding toward the grove. If there was no employment to be had in Israel, at least they could work on the olives, they thought.
They arrived at the grove and got to work. Suddenly, a military jeep appeared and four soldiers got out. Firas saw them approaching his father. There was a verbal exchange between them, but it was in Hebrew and Firas didn't understand what it was about. A minute later, he saw the soldiers shoving his father down to the ground and handcuffing him from behind. The soldiers ordered Firas to go home. His father also told him to go; the frightened little boy started running the long distance back toward home. On the way he was attacked by dogs, he says, and some shepherds, his neighbors, saved him from them. That was the last time Firas saw his father alive. Handcuffed and on the ground, but alive.
Eyewitnesses told Temeizi's father Saker they'd seen soldiers kicking his bound and blindfolded son. The witnesses tried to intervene, but the soldiers shooed them away, brandishing their rifles. Musa Abu Hashhash, a reputable field researcher for the B'Tselem human rights organization, heard similar testimonies. Eventually, according to the witnesses, the soldiers put Temeizi on a jeep and drove off. This was the last time the Palestinians saw him alive.
Firas meanwhile made it home and reported that his father had been arrested. The family wasn't that concerned at first: The false arrest of a Palestinian is a matter of routine. They were sure Yasser would be released promptly and return home. He had all the required permits and had never been in any trouble. The hours passed and still Teimeizi didn't return. Around four in the afternoon, neighbors reported he had been killed and that his body was at Al Ahli Hospital in Hebron. Abu Hashhash rushed to the hospital and saw the body: He says he noticed handcuff marks on the wrists. The entry wound was in the stomach and the exit wound was in the thigh. Experts say Temeizi was shot while sitting. Point blank. An autopsy was performed at the Abu Dis pathology institute and Abu Hashhash received the results; he said the reported cause of death was extensive bleeding.
Temeizi was not dead when he arrived at the hospital, but died shortly thereafter. It may have been possible to save him had he received medical care in time. Ten days after the incident, Yuval Azoulay wrote a report on the incident in Haaretz. It appears that shortly after the killing, an IDF investigation was held with the participation of division commander Brig. Gen. Noam Tibon and brigade commander Col. Udi Ben-Moha, who raised the prospect that "a series of failures" occurred on the part of the reservists who killed Temeizi. It was established that he was brought, handcuffed, to the Tarqumiya checkpoint and from there was taken to a nearby army base.
The soldiers killed him in a room, without eyewitnesses, after he tried - so they claim, of course - to steal their weapons. No one explained how a handcuffed Palestinian could steal a weapon and why the response should be a point-blank shooting.
Military sources told Azoulay that "the manner in which the incident was handled, particularly in regard to summoning of assistance for the wounded man, indicates there were serious failures. This is a very serious incident and one can't help thinking that if a regular force was stationed there, it would not have happened. The reservist soldiers are simply not familiar with or trained for such scenarios and such situations."
What kind of training is needed for such situations? Do soldiers need to be trained not to shoot a handcuffed prisoner? Do they need to be trained to know to immediately summon medical care for someone who's wounded?
The IDF Spokesman told us officially this week, a month and a half after the incident: "The matter is under investigation by the criminal investigations division. Once the investigation is complete, the findings will be relayed to the military prosecutor." Firas enters the bereaved household in Idna, a blue UNICEF book bag on his back. In a soft, chirpy voice, he tells the story of his last day with his father. He recounts the donkey ride to the family's olive grove, the soldiers who knocked his father down as he watched and how he made his way home alone, scared by the barking dogs.
"Later on they told me that Daddy died," the boy says quietly, the trauma evident on his face. Just so the soldiers who kill a handcuffed man, and their commanders and investigators, should know.
Michael Neumann - 'The Case Against Israel':
'...Israel, and the Zionist movement that created it, has consistently been in the wrong in it's conflict with the Palestinians. The Zionist movement took their land, that is, it deprived them of sovereignty over that land. The Palestinians had done nothing to provoke this usurpation. Sovereignty was the right of the Palestinians, of the inhabitants of Palestine, not of the settlers who came with the express purpose of establishing an ethnic state that could reasonably be seen as a mortal threat to the Palestinians and as a grievous assault on their rights. Given this threat, the Palestinians were right to make no concessions of sovereignty to the Zionists and, given that the Zionists would not abandon their project, there was no room for compromise. However, a real opportunity for peace arose with the Israeli conquest of the Occupied territories in 1967, when the Palestinians made concessions they did not, as a matter of right, have to make. This opportunity was decisively abandoned by the Israelis, not so much by the occupation itself as by an extremist settler movement and the policies that supported, nurtured, and sustained it.
The settler movement constituted a new mortal threat to the Palestinians, worse than the previous one. The Palestinians were entitled - indeed rationally compelled - to resist this threat, and they were justified in supposing that violent resistance was required. Moreover, nothing in the character of that resistance supports the claims that the Palestinians are consumed by anything more than the entirely normal hatred that is born of warfare and that generally dissipates with peace. The claim that Palestinians are permanently bent on destroying Israel and consumed by inextinguishable hatred now shows itself to be baseless. The Palestinians' desperate attempts to defend themselves against catastrophic dispossession are no evidence whatever for that claim. What you say and feel when someone has trapped you and is progressively making your life intolerable is no evidence for how you will act when that person relents and departs.
What makes the Israeli position particularly indefensible is it's utter gratuitousness. There is no conceivable reason for Israel to promote the settlements that have been the cause of so much misery. The settler movement is built on psuedo-Biblical foolishness, bad history, greed, and - worse - a sort of racist messianism that deserves no tolerance, consideration, or respect. Israel could have not only peace but vastly increased security tomorrow if it chooses: It has all the options and the Palestinians none. The fussing about negotiations, trust, and hatred are nothing but self-deceiving excuses for more bloodshed.'
but the stupid fucking ENGLISH video is in fucking spanish!
Am i stupid fucking whiteman,
or is this stupid fucking website?
If I opened it now would you not understand?
Yep, I just can't understand what the Palestinian's problem is.
I couldn't work the fucker out either.
Norman Finkelstein vs Martin Indyk over Gaza and the "Peace Process" 1/8/09
Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PH_bcbJ2K_M
Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFD5e5ZL ... re=related
Part 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLGlEOuh ... re=related
Part 4: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDS7Oc4LZSA
the video is what is important...the people interviewed, although very worth listening too, are not what this is all about. the paramedic that gets shot in the leg while trying to take away a dead body, the bombs dropping 2 blocks away, the fear in the faces of the people involve, its very surreal.
Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7AtO_KGE-I
Part 2 - Audience questions and discussion of Gandhi: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkOrc1zy ... re=related
I just watched it. Just re-emphasizes what a fucked-up situation it is over there.
In the final analysis, non-violence is still a worthy means of resistance. Significantly, it enhances growing international perceptions of the brutality of the occupation and builds on the legal consensus and framework of the legitimacy of Palestinian rights, as recurrently affirmed through UN General Assembly annual resolutions and the most recent ruling against the apartheid wall at the International Court of Justice. Non-violent resistance, by being more accessible to ordinary people, additionally creates more sustainable and widespread networks of resistance. At a minimum, it establishes a network of interdependence for the newly liberated society to build on.
But it is not enough. And arguably, it has never been enough, especially in the absence of a more just as opposed to legalistic international relations."
http://ramallahonline.com/articles/are- ... -part-iiii
What documentary? You mean 'American Radical'? http://www.americanradicalthefilm.com/
Mr Finkelstein, I've just finished watching your talk at the University of Alberta of January 22, 2009 on Youtube which focused primarily on the recent Israeli bombardment of Gaza. I feel compelled to say that it was one of the most brilliant talks I've seen or heard. I've always thought that it would be difficult for anybody to rival Noam Chomsky in the power of his arguments and the hammer-blow speed and precision of his debating skills - except perhaps Socrates himself ;-) - , but in my opinion you succeeded in 'hitting the high note' during that talk. I think you set a great example of what can be achieved when you have the truth on your side.
I myself have been debating the Israel/Palestine conflict for the past 3 or 4 years on internet chat rooms and comments sections of national newspapers and so by now I'm pretty familiar with all of the common tactics used by supporters of Israel's crimes. What I've personally found to be most interesting with regards to this subject is the web of deceit, obfuscation, and outright lies that surround it. Once you begin looking at the facts regarding this issue and start peeling away the layers of bullshit that have been placed around it , it becomes all the more difficult to resist digging deeper in an effort to understand more. I suspect that this has also been the experience of many others. For anybody interested not just in the nuts and bolts of the Israel/Palestine conflict, but also in the workings/motivations of the mainstream media, it really becomes quite fascinating to consider the power and success of the propaganda/bullshit that has been employed to confuse people and deflect attention from this issue. I know that this is a subject you have written extensively about, specifically in your book 'Beyond Chutzpah'.
Another thing I've learned from reading articles, books and online comments written by Israel's apologists is that they simply have no argument. They have no justification. The only weapons at their disposal, the only tools in their box, are lies. There's a certain number of 'non-arguments' which are constantly bandied about in an attempt to excuse Israel's crimes; I.e, 'the Arabs started the 1967 war', 'Israel wants peace, while the Palestinians are terrorists', 'Israel offered the Palestinians a workable peace deal at Camp David and at Oslo', 'Israel tries to avoid civilian casualties, while the Palestinians and Hezbollah use civilians as human shields'...the list goes on and on.
So, I'd like to thank you for your efforts at setting the record straight and for getting the facts out there. From what I've seen from reading numerous internet blogs, chatrooms, and comments sections, more and more people are now seeing through the smokescreen created by the Israel lobby and it's many nefarious cohorts around the world.
You are an inspiration!
Steve Byrne
China
P.s, if you decide to post my letter on your webpage then for the benefit of anyone wishing to view your talk in Edmonton, here are the links:
Main talk: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7AtO_KG ... re=related
Questions & Answers: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkOrc1zy ... re=related
Dear Steve Byrne, Thank you for the letter. I agree that Israel's default arguments are wearing thin and more and more people are seeing through them. I am optimistic that public opinion can be won over if we are persistent and conscientious. Right now I am not posting emails because my web site manager is a father-to-be so he doesn't have the time: priorities are priorities!
Best, Norm Finkelstein
No the documentary that Commy posted "Erased: wiped off the map". I believe the video we saw on the website was a trailer to the documentary that will be released. I cannot find a date for its release anywhere I look.
Nice letter to Finkelstein. My friend sent him a letter recently which he posted up on his website. The guy deserves all the praise for standing up to the zionist pricks.
P.S. If anyone wants to know the Arabic parts of the video, Ill be happy to translate.