California’s Newly Poor Push Social Services to Brink

WaveCameCrashin

did you not read the last paragraph of the article you posted. Bush was trying to help those people :roll: :roll:

WaveCameCrashin

Dude you got some serious problems,but you are entitled to your opinion

DriftingByTheStorm

gvn2fly74 wrote:

Drifty you are so misguided that's nothing but left wing propaganda Like I said love it or leave it :x

You could call me a conservative libertarian.
You could call me a traditional or Jeffersonian republican.
You could call em a Jacksonian Democrat.
Hell, you could even call me a classical Liberal.

But you sure as fuck could never call me "left wing" or leftie.
Save that one for Commie. :oops:

DriftingByTheStorm

gvn2fly74 wrote:

did you not read the last paragraph of the article you posted. Bush was trying to help those people :roll: :roll:

Yes, you're right.
Maybe OUR solution lies in sanctions?
Surely, if we can't print or spend our way out of this hole,
maybe some altruistic nation would be willing to impose sanctions upon OUR government,
and then we can be saved from this mess?

I mean, hey.
It's working for Zimbabwe right?

WaveCameCrashin

yeah sure sanctions okay.. How about voting out all these pinheads in 2010.. That are tyiing to turn this country into a nany state and run this country staight into the ground. :x :x :x :x :x

WaveCameCrashin

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

gvn2fly74 wrote:

Drifty you are so misguided that's nothing but left wing propaganda Like I said love it or leave it :x

You could call me a conservative libertarian.
You could call me a traditional or Jeffersonian republican.
You could call em a Jacksonian Democrat.
Hell, you could even call me a classical Liberal.

But you sure as fuck could never call me "left wing" or leftie.
Save that one for Commie. :oops:

you sure got me fooled into thinking that,sorry

Commy

gvn2fly74 wrote:

It's a violent regime the guy is hurting his own people we should impose sanctions on someone like that just like Iran

wait, what now? the sanctions in Iraq actually helped Saddam. the lack of food meant the people had to rely on their government to survive, strengthening Saddam's grip on power.

in the case of Iraq, as agreed to by secretary of state madeline albright, the sanctions in Iraq killed over 250,000 children.


how in any twisted nationalist view of the world is that justified? sanctions starve a people, they rarely affect the leader.

Iran is no threat. the media have told you it is a threat, and you have followed along, but in reality Iran is only a threat to the financial institutions. it can impact the supply of oil, something the elite go to great lengths to control.
the US attitude toward Iran is actually encouraging it to develop its nuclear arsenal. North Korea hasn't been invaded yet, exactly because they have nukes. and north korea is no threat either.

the european commission did a poll, and found that the biggest threat to world peace was Israel, and the US. and that's accurate. the world is more afraid of the US and Israel than they are of Iran, North Korea, and they have every right to be. http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/artic ... E_ID=35383 Israel and teh US are on the offensive more than any other 2 countries.


and to your earlier question..why don't I leave? its very simple. this is my country. I was born here. no way I"m giving it over to the corporations. no way I'm letting greed and selfishness rule. gonna do what I can.

Commy

VINNY GOOMBA wrote:

Commy wrote:

the problem isn't social services. its capitalism. there's plenty of houses and food for Californians, there's plenty of clothes. the problem is that people can't afford it.

a monetary based society where people can't afford the goods=failure. especially considering there are plenty of goods to go around.

I don't see the Venus Project happening anytime soon, that's for sure.

but it can happen. and that's what's important. it can happen/.


and it takes shit like the california example to happen. whenever people see excess, when they have nothing, something switches. they realize this isn't the best way do be doing what we're doing.


but california is a terrible example, maybe the worst cesspool of consumer, fake, artificial lifestyles that I've ever come across. So Cal is beautiful, but I don't ever want to live there again.

WaveCameCrashin

Dude what rock have you been living under when you say Iran is not a threat I guess Ahmadinejad was Just talking out his ass when he said that he wanted to wipe Israel and the USA of the face of the map.Let me guess you probably think he works for the cia Do you actually think If they develop a nuke that they won't use it against israel, or sell it to al qaeda so that they can use it on us. Id be willing to bet you want that to happen just from reading some of your other post. If corporations are so bad why do you even own a computer? I bet you even own a cell phone and a t.v.

Commy

gvn2fly74 wrote:

Dude what rock have you been living under when you say Iran is not a threat I guess Ahmadinejad was Just talking out his ass when he said that he wanted to wipe Israel and the USA of the face of the map.Let me guess you probably think he works for the cia Do you actually think If they develop a nuke that they won't use it against israel, or sell it to al qaeda so that they can use it on us. Id be willing to bet you want that to happen just from reading some of your other post. If corporations are so bad why do you even own a computer? I bet you even own a cell phone and a t.v.

ok. just think about the situation for sec. if Iran used its 1 or 2 nukes on Israel, it would cease to exist very shortly after that. either by Israel's hand or the US's. Obama has already said "all options are on the table" regarding Iran, which very clearly implies nukes. Israel has a US umbrella over it, any action against Israel would be dealt with by the US.

So Iran would have to be suicidal to even attempt to destroy Israel. and, as it is, they don't even have that capacity.

Do you really think Iran would destroy itself to attack Israel? Do you think Ahmednjad would kill everyone of his countrymen to attack Israel? seriously, do you think that is a likely scenario?

WaveCameCrashin

Commy wrote:

gvn2fly74 wrote:

Dude what rock have you been living under when you say Iran is not a threat I guess Ahmadinejad was Just talking out his ass when he said that he wanted to wipe Israel and the USA of the face of the map.Let me guess you probably think he works for the cia Do you actually think If they develop a nuke that they won't use it against israel, or sell it to al qaeda so that they can use it on us. Id be willing to bet you want that to happen just from reading some of your other post. If corporations are so bad why do you even own a computer? I bet you even own a cell phone and a t.v.

ok. just think about the situation for sec. if Iran used its 1 or 2 nukes on Israel, it would cease to exist very shortly after that. either by Israel's hand or the US's. Obama has already said "all options are on the table" regarding Iran, which very clearly implies nukes. Israel has a US umbrella over it, any action against Israel would be dealt with by the US.

So Iran would have to be suicidal to even attempt to destroy Israel. and, as it is, they don't even have that capacity.

Do you really think Iran would destroy itself to attack Israel? Do you think Ahmednjad would kill everyone of his countrymen to attack Israel? seriously, do you think that is a likely scenario?

call me nieve but yes I think he would He already said he would.

Commy

gvn2fly74 wrote:

Commy wrote:

gvn2fly74 wrote:

Dude what rock have you been living under when you say Iran is not a threat I guess Ahmadinejad was Just talking out his ass when he said that he wanted to wipe Israel and the USA of the face of the map.Let me guess you probably think he works for the cia Do you actually think If they develop a nuke that they won't use it against israel, or sell it to al qaeda so that they can use it on us. Id be willing to bet you want that to happen just from reading some of your other post. If corporations are so bad why do you even own a computer? I bet you even own a cell phone and a t.v.

ok. just think about the situation for sec. if Iran used its 1 or 2 nukes on Israel, it would cease to exist very shortly after that. either by Israel's hand or the US's. Obama has already said "all options are on the table" regarding Iran, which very clearly implies nukes. Israel has a US umbrella over it, any action against Israel would be dealt with by the US.

So Iran would have to be suicidal to even attempt to destroy Israel. and, as it is, they don't even have that capacity.

Do you really think Iran would destroy itself to attack Israel? Do you think Ahmednjad would kill everyone of his countrymen to attack Israel? seriously, do you think that is a likely scenario?

call me nieve but yes I think he would He already said he would.

that's what it comes down to. I have a little more faith in humanity.

WaveCameCrashin

you can keep your faith while most of us will stick to reality..

Commy

gvn2fly74 wrote:

you can keep your faith while most of us will stick to reality..

see. I wonder what your definition of reality is. Because in no way has Iran threatened Israel. in no way do they have nuclear weapons. and what is your definition of "most". because most of the world wants the US the fuck out of the middle east, esp. regarding Iran. according to standard definitions of the word "most".

your solution would slowly kill the old and the very young, while strengthening the leaders grip on power, the sanctions. what the fuck kind of reality do you live in that would even suggest mass murder on children through starvation because Iran may be developing nuclear weapons? seriously.

WaveCameCrashin

Commy wrote:

gvn2fly74 wrote:

you can keep your faith while most of us will stick to reality..

see. I wonder what your definition of reality is. Because in no way has Iran threatened Israel. in no way do they have nuclear weapons. and what is your definition of "most". because most of the world wants the US the fuck out of the middle east, esp. regarding Iran. according to standard definitions of the word "most".

your solution would slowly kill the old and the very young, while strengthening the leaders grip on power, the sanctions. what the fuck kind of reality do you live in that would even suggest mass murder on children through starvation because Iran may be developing nuclear weapons? seriously.

when did I ever say any thing about Iranians being killed.It;s their gov. that's fucked up not the people It's the same gov. that kills people for being gay.If their people were starving there would be a world out cry. Sop stop putting words in my mouth. Commy you are nothing more than a left wing loon face it

Cosmo

I'm wondering how many of these formerly Middle Income people used to rant about welfare and social programs and their hatred of the poor... who should quit looking for free hand outs and get a goddamn job.
...
We are all one pink slip away from joining them... one major health crisis from financial ruin.
Don't hate the poor... we all may be one of them some day.

DriftingByTheStorm

Commy wrote:

gvn2fly74 wrote:

you can keep your faith while most of us will stick to reality..

see. I wonder what your definition of reality is.

well that depends on what the meaning of the word "IS" ... IS" ...

ooh.
shazam!


i LOVE that clip!