Push to expand PJ's legacy??

DewieCoxDewieCox Posts: 11,430
edited February 2009 in The Porch
Does anybody think there is a plan to really make PJ a more visible band, sorta like a U2 that started in the 90s?

I think they really started it with the promotion of the last album, to get their feet wet. SNL, videos, Lolla and a return to other festivals, even the Bonnaroo appearance.

Now, they are starting a 2 year reissue program to virtually coincide with an album of new material with the producer of their most successful albums, sells wise and artistically.

I think they've reached an age where they feel like they are in total control and they wanna set themselves up for the long haul.
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  • AmherstJammerAmherstJammer Amherst, Massachusetts Posts: 1,510
    I hope not. I like things just the way they are... I think there are enough of us here to support Pearl Jam for many more years... :)
  • I hope not. I like things just the way they are... I think there are enough of us here to support Pearl Jam for many more years... :)


    I agree...I think the fan base is there and growing....I can't see PJ being this crazy super- freak-out band..I love them and they way they have been operating ! :D
  • funnygirl wrote:
    I hope not. I like things just the way they are... I think there are enough of us here to support Pearl Jam for many more years... :)


    I agree...I think the fan base is there and growing....I can't see PJ being this crazy super- freak-out band..I love them and they way they have been operating ! :D

    I agree too. I don't want to see PJ turning into a huge band like U2.
  • ER182263 wrote:
    funnygirl wrote:
    I hope not. I like things just the way they are... I think there are enough of us here to support Pearl Jam for many more years... :)


    I agree...I think the fan base is there and growing....I can't see PJ being this crazy super- freak-out band..I love them and they way they have been operating ! :D

    I agree too. I don't want to see PJ turning into a huge band like U2.


    Plus Eddie would look like an idiot with those sunglasses...
  • SolarWorldSolarWorld Posts: 1,902
    funnygirl wrote:

    Plus Eddie would look like an idiot with those sunglasses...

    He looks ok in aviators...
  • Plus Eddie would look like an idiot with those sunglasses...
    :D
  • AmherstJammerAmherstJammer Amherst, Massachusetts Posts: 1,510
    If Eddie starts wearing eyeliner like Bono I'm out of here!!! :x
  • DewieCoxDewieCox Posts: 11,430
    If Eddie starts wearing eyeliner like Bono I'm out of here!!! :x

    Ed wore eyeliner at the 7 worlds collide shows.

    As long as it doesn't affect their music, I don't care how visible PJ gets.
  • DewieCox wrote:
    Does anybody think there is a plan to really make PJ a more visible band, sorta like a U2 that started in the 90s?

    I think they really started it with the promotion of the last album, to get their feet wet. SNL, videos, Lolla and a return to other festivals, even the Bonnaroo appearance.

    Now, they are starting a 2 year reissue program to virtually coincide with an album of new material with the producer of their most successful albums, sells wise and artistically.

    I think they've reached an age where they feel like they are in total control and they wanna set themselves up for the long haul.

    i think that people aren't buying records like they used to and pj has become accustomed to living an expensive lifestyle, plus they have people that have been with them since the beginning, and i'm sure they pay them very well. i think they just want to sell records and make some money for themselves and their friends and do what they love most, which is making music on their own terms. i don't think it's a conscious effort to cement their legacy or extend their fan base. they did a lot more press in 06 than they had done in years and it really didn't make a huge difference. they need to sell product to keep the machine going, which will allow all of us freaks to follow them around for years and years. :D
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  • AmherstJammerAmherstJammer Amherst, Massachusetts Posts: 1,510
    DewieCox wrote:
    If Eddie starts wearing eyeliner like Bono I'm out of here!!! :x

    Ed wore eyeliner at the 7 worlds collide shows.

    As long as it doesn't affect their music, I don't care how visible PJ gets.

    I missed that :mrgreen:
  • PegasusPegasus Posts: 3,754
    ER182263 wrote:
    funnygirl wrote:
    I hope not. I like things just the way they are... I think there are enough of us here to support Pearl Jam for many more years... :)


    I agree...I think the fan base is there and growing....I can't see PJ being this crazy super- freak-out band..I love them and they way they have been operating ! :D

    I agree too. I don't want to see PJ turning into a huge band like U2.
    I abandonned U2 when they turned into a pop corporation, I'd do the same with PJ.
  • I fucking hope not, its hard enough getting tix now!
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  • bazzerbazzer Posts: 3,125
    Pegasus wrote:
    I abandonned U2 when they turned into a pop corporation, I'd do the same with PJ.
    Even if you still liked the music? Or would you force yourself to dislike the music to be a martyr to their corporateness?
  • DewieCox wrote:
    If Eddie starts wearing eyeliner like Bono I'm out of here!!! :x

    Ed wore eyeliner at the 7 worlds collide shows.

    As long as it doesn't affect their music, I don't care how visible PJ gets.

    Do you have a picture of Ed wearing eyeliner? I can't believe he'd do that! I want picture proof!! :lol:
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  • DewieCoxDewieCox Posts: 11,430
    I meant, do you guys THINK that is what's going on?, not whethere or not you want them to do it.
  • PegasusPegasus Posts: 3,754
    bazzer wrote:
    Pegasus wrote:
    I abandonned U2 when they turned into a pop corporation, I'd do the same with PJ.
    Even if you still liked the music? Or would you force yourself to dislike the music to be a martyr to their corporateness?
    both happened, I don't think coincidently, at the same time.
    I would think less of PJ if they really went commercial only marketing-wise (and they have started), but would still go to gigs, but U2 went commercial both marketing and music-wise.
  • brainofebrainofe Posts: 264
    Actually this is your classic case of a record label milking a band's catalog after they've left the label. The cool thing is that PJ knows what Sony is up to and instead of letting them do whatever they want, Pj is putting their own input as to how it gets done. Remember the Radiohead greatest hits record, RH didn't have any input in it's creation. I'm sure they would have included some b-sides or rare tracks. But No, Captiol did whatever they wanted with that, they even re-issued the RH cataloge with the SAME master. I mean come on! Also, remember when Rykodisc wanted do release a deluxe edition of Pretty Hate Machine and Trent Reznor wanted to help them do it. Rykodisc said sure you can help but we ain't paying you for it, so Trent said 'fuck you', so rykodisc just reissued the album with the SAME masters. I think we're lucky that PJ is involved in what Sony was going to do whether they liked it or not, just like with Rearviewmirror. Not sure if PJ is getting paid for it though.
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  • Vedd HeddVedd Hedd Posts: 4,612
    I dont care how big or small they get.

    If they become the next huge band, thats fine with me. As long as I can still get tickets, that is.

    I dont care if they become the next band that plays club shows either. As long as I can get tickets.

    And, as someone stated, their musical integrity stays in tact.

    Think Tom Petty, Neil Young, Springsteen. They are huge and maintain their musical integrity. I dont have to agree with every single business decision.

    After all, it is a business. And after all, most musicians want as many people as possible to hear their art.
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  • Vedd HeddVedd Hedd Posts: 4,612
    brainofe wrote:
    Actually this is your classic case of a record label milking a band's catalog after they've left the label. The cool thing is that PJ knows what Sony is up to and instead of letting them do whatever they want, Pj is putting their own input as to how it gets done. Remember the Radiohead greatest hits record, RH didn't have any input in it's creation. I'm sure they would have included some b-sides or rare tracks. But No, Captiol did whatever they wanted with that, they even re-issued the RH cataloge with the SAME master. I mean come on! Also, remember when Rykodisc wanted do release a deluxe edition of Pretty Hate Machine and Trent Reznor wanted to help them do it. Rykodisc said sure you can help but we ain't paying you for it, so Trent said 'fuck you', so rykodisc just reissued the album with the SAME masters. I think we're lucky that PJ is involved in what Sony was going to do whether they liked it or not, just like with Rearviewmirror. Not sure if PJ is getting paid for it though.


    Yeah, agreed.
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  • BinFrogBinFrog MA Posts: 7,309
    i think that people aren't buying records like they used to and pj has become accustomed to living an expensive lifestyle, plus they have people that have been with them since the beginning, and i'm sure they pay them very well. i think they just want to sell records and make some money for themselves and their friends and do what they love most, which is making music on their own terms. i don't think it's a conscious effort to cement their legacy or extend their fan base. they did a lot more press in 06 than they had done in years and it really didn't make a huge difference. they need to sell product to keep the machine going, which will allow all of us freaks to follow them around for years and years. :D


    They haven't made an album that made them a ton of money since Vitalogy. Unless you sell millions of copies you won't be living in luxury. They make their money w/ touring and merchandise. I see 0% of these re-releases having anything to do with supporting some sort of expensive lifestyle for any of them. Their albums don't "keep the machine going" anymore, and haven't for a while.

    All in my opinion of course.
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  • FifthelementFifthelement Lotusland Posts: 6,963
    DewieCox wrote:
    If Eddie starts wearing eyeliner like Bono I'm out of here!!! :x

    Ed wore eyeliner at the 7 worlds collide shows.

    As long as it doesn't affect their music, I don't care how visible PJ gets.

    Do you have a picture of Ed wearing eyeliner? I can't believe he'd do that! I want picture proof!! :lol:



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  • DewieCoxDewieCox Posts: 11,430
    BinFrog wrote:
    i think that people aren't buying records like they used to and pj has become accustomed to living an expensive lifestyle, plus they have people that have been with them since the beginning, and i'm sure they pay them very well. i think they just want to sell records and make some money for themselves and their friends and do what they love most, which is making music on their own terms. i don't think it's a conscious effort to cement their legacy or extend their fan base. they did a lot more press in 06 than they had done in years and it really didn't make a huge difference. they need to sell product to keep the machine going, which will allow all of us freaks to follow them around for years and years. :D


    They haven't made an album that made them a ton of money since Vitalogy. Unless you sell millions of copies you won't be living in luxury. They make their money w/ touring and merchandise. I see 0% of these re-releases having anything to do with supporting some sort of expensive lifestyle for any of them. Their albums don't "keep the machine going" anymore, and haven't for a while.

    All in my opinion of course.

    Anything close to 1mil will make a pretty big chunk of change for any band. That whole >$1 per album sold is closer to what a band without any publishing rights.

    Touring IS where they make the huge jack though. They have more cash than we'll ever know, especially with their modest touring setup.
  • TravelarTravelar Kalamazoo, USA Posts: 3,410
    funnygirl wrote:
    Plus Eddie would look like an idiot with those sunglasses...

    Don't forget about the Bono cowboy hat..... That would be a great Ed look. NOT!
  • BinFrogBinFrog MA Posts: 7,309
    DewieCox wrote:
    Anything close to 1mil will make a pretty big chunk of change for any band. That whole >$1 per album sold is closer to what a band without any publishing rights.

    Big chunk of change yes, but not "extravagant lifestyle" chunk of change.
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  • DewieCox wrote:
    I meant, do you guys THINK that is what's going on?, not whethere or not you want them to do it.


    Not quite..........I don't really think there is a big plan. A lot of people on here tend to believe PJ sits around and masterminds these things, when in all reality they are probably not that involved.

    Also, since they will be releasing the new album independently, i think it could be considered a step in the opposite direction.
  • SM10080SM10080 Posts: 239
    CE202890 wrote:
    DewieCox wrote:
    I meant, do you guys THINK that is what's going on?, not whethere or not you want them to do it.


    Not quite..........I don't really think there is a big plan. A lot of people on here tend to believe PJ sits around and masterminds these things, when in all reality they are probably not that involved.

    Also, since they will be releasing the new album independently, i think it could be considered a step in the opposite direction.

    totally agree. They aren't masterminding anything. They've made their money. they don't give a shit. They are going to do what they want as far as getting the Jam out there.
  • DewieCoxDewieCox Posts: 11,430
    CE202890 wrote:
    DewieCox wrote:
    I meant, do you guys THINK that is what's going on?, not whethere or not you want them to do it.


    Not quite..........I don't really think there is a big plan. A lot of people on here tend to believe PJ sits around and masterminds these things, when in all reality they are probably not that involved.

    Also, since they will be releasing the new album independently, i think it could be considered a step in the opposite direction.

    Hmm............. I don't think it will be totally independent though. They will at least have a distribution/promotion deal with someone.
  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    CE202890 wrote:
    DewieCox wrote:
    I meant, do you guys THINK that is what's going on?, not whethere or not you want them to do it.


    Not quite..........I don't really think there is a big plan. A lot of people on here tend to believe PJ sits around and masterminds these things, when in all reality they are probably not that involved.

    Also, since they will be releasing the new album independently, i think it could be considered a step in the opposite direction.

    I don't know about that. They've been saying in interviews for years that they would like to remix Ten. Sony could have hired a college intern for peanuts to remaster it and make it louder, then slapped a few bonus tracks onto the end and sold it as deluxe to make a ton of $. The fact that Brendan O'Brien is involved in completely remixing the entire album indicates that on some level the band has a significant hand in making sure this is a quality release and not just a record company hatchet job. I don't know if they're seeking to expand their legacy, but I've no doubt they're trying to protect it. They don't want to end up like the Who... a band that now advertises cars on their 19th greatest hits collection (look next time you're at the shop... "featuring Bargain, as heard in the car commercial"... jesus christ!).
  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    brainofe wrote:
    Actually this is your classic case of a record label milking a band's catalog after they've left the label. The cool thing is that PJ knows what Sony is up to and instead of letting them do whatever they want, Pj is putting their own input as to how it gets done. Remember the Radiohead greatest hits record, RH didn't have any input in it's creation. I'm sure they would have included some b-sides or rare tracks. But No, Captiol did whatever they wanted with that, they even re-issued the RH cataloge with the SAME master. I mean come on! Also, remember when Rykodisc wanted do release a deluxe edition of Pretty Hate Machine and Trent Reznor wanted to help them do it. Rykodisc said sure you can help but we ain't paying you for it, so Trent said 'fuck you', so rykodisc just reissued the album with the SAME masters. I think we're lucky that PJ is involved in what Sony was going to do whether they liked it or not, just like with Rearviewmirror. Not sure if PJ is getting paid for it though.

    That's a damn shame, Pretty Hate Machine could use a decent remaster.
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