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CE202890CE202890 Posts: 39
edited February 2009 in The Porch
The version of Once on pearljam.com right now is listed as the remix............anybody know what exactly was changed on it? All I really hear is better sound quality, and possibly more snare towards the climax of the song. Could this possibly just be the remastered version?

Porch thats on rollingstone.............this is only the remastered version, correct?

I guess on the remixed songs I was expecting to hear something sounding completely different, ie not even the same song structure.

What I'm hoping for:
1) Remixed Jeremy is structured like the new live Jeremy they have played now and again
2) Remixed Garden is like the 2006 tour version they busted out in Pittsburgh
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  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    CE202890 wrote:
    The version of Once on pearljam.com right now is listed as the remix............anybody know what exactly was changed on it? All I really hear is better sound quality, and possibly more snare towards the climax of the song. Could this possibly just be the remastered version?

    Porch thats on rollingstone.............this is only the remastered version, correct?

    I guess on the remixed songs I was expecting to hear something sounding completely different, ie not even the same song structure.

    What I'm hoping for:
    1) Remixed Jeremy is structured like the new live Jeremy they have played now and again
    2) Remixed Garden is like the 2006 tour version they busted out in Pittsburgh

    You're not going to get it. The remixed versions are not going to be dramatically different. Have you heard the versions of Once, Alive, and Black on the greatest hits album? That's all they're doing here... stripping away the gloss and sheen, the echo and reverb. The songs will sound more raw, but the song structures are going to be essentially the same. It's not a total overhaul or re-recording.
  • InMyTree4InMyTree4 Posts: 1,239
    you wont get the new jeremy or garden with the mastered versions they are just mixed differently...2006 garden isnt even as close to as good as the original imo
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  • Mr DerpMr Derp Posts: 319
    Yeah, completely redoing songs could lead to certain tragedy...like the version of In My Tree they were playing circa 03. I love In My Tree, but that take on it didn't do anything for me. I'd hate to buy the special edition of No Code and then find a butchered version of In My Tree that's been restructured to sound like it did back then.

    Thankfully what we're getting is just a more polished Ten. Cleaner, tweaked sound levels, stuff along those lines.
  • CE202890CE202890 Posts: 39
    soulsinging wrote:

    You're not going to get it. The remixed versions are not going to be dramatically different. Have you heard the versions of Once, Alive, and Black on the greatest hits album? That's all they're doing here... stripping away the gloss and sheen, the echo and reverb. The songs will sound more raw, but the song structures are going to be essentially the same. It's not a total overhaul or re-recording.

    So I guess it is still not clear to me. The process youre describing above was what I thought the remastered version was for.........
  • FinsburyParkCarrotsFinsburyParkCarrots Posts: 12,223
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mastering

    There's likely remixing and remastering going on. They're probably overhauling the mix that was done in Seattle and scrapping the mastering that was done in England, in favour of Brendan producing something cleaner. Just a guess. But they're not re-recording anything.
  • swardsward Posts: 586
    My anticipation of this re-issue is that the sound will be more like VS. One of the reasons I loved VS, other than the songs of course, is the sound and clarity and it was especially noticeable following the gloss of Ten. Anyway, I look forward to that simple fact since I find the album hard to listen to now based on the reverb and such. For some, I'm quite sure this doesn't matter, but I can't wait to pop em on the ipod and digest the change.
  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    CE202890 wrote:
    soulsinging wrote:

    You're not going to get it. The remixed versions are not going to be dramatically different. Have you heard the versions of Once, Alive, and Black on the greatest hits album? That's all they're doing here... stripping away the gloss and sheen, the echo and reverb. The songs will sound more raw, but the song structures are going to be essentially the same. It's not a total overhaul or re-recording.

    So I guess it is still not clear to me. The process youre describing above was what I thought the remastered version was for.........

    Remastering means it's going to sound like the Ten you have now, only it will be a bit clearer and louder.

    Remixing means they are going to strip down the songs like they did for the greatest hits and take off the glossy studio effects. There was a lot of reverb and echo added to songs and riffs. All that will still be on the remastered version, but not on the remixed version. For instance, listen to the intro for Black on Ten and on the greatest hits... remastered will still sound exactly like the Ten version... like it's coming in on a tinny radio. That's because it's a studio effect from the original that will be kept. It will just be clearer and louder. The remixed will sound like greatest hits... a regular jagged guitar riff without any sort of echo or studio trickery.

    It's a subtle difference, but I think it will be very noticeable when you listen to the albums. But nothing is being re-recorded.
  • 3legged dog3legged dog Posts: 896
    Good interpetation of the subject soulsinging!
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  • HeavyHandsHeavyHands Posts: 2,130
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it possible the Brendan O'Brien will use original alternate takes of the tracks as well when remixing? The remixed version of Alive that I listened to at Rhapsody had notes and solos I've never heard before and I've played Ten into the dust. If the band didn't record new takes of their parts (and I have yet to hear that they were) then O'Brien must be using old or alternate takes in addition to changing the mix levels.
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  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    CB29798 wrote:
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it possible the Brendan O'Brien will use original alternate takes of the tracks as well when remixing? The remixed version of Alive that I listened to at Rhapsody had notes and solos I've never heard before and I've played Ten into the dust. If the band didn't record new takes of their parts (and I have yet to hear that they were) then O'Brien must be using old or alternate takes in addition to changing the mix levels.

    That I don't know. I just know they're not re-recording and they're not not going to completely rework the songs and have it sound like the slow Jeremy or the revamped Garden.
  • HeavyHandsHeavyHands Posts: 2,130
    soulsinging wrote:
    That I don't know. I just know they're not re-recording and they're not not going to completely rework the songs and have it sound like the slow Jeremy or the revamped Garden.

    Have you heard the version of Alive at Rhapsody? I'm telling you there was some completely different stuff in it. Sorry, but for some reason I can't seem to find it any more to provide a link to you.
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  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    CB29798 wrote:
    soulsinging wrote:
    That I don't know. I just know they're not re-recording and they're not not going to completely rework the songs and have it sound like the slow Jeremy or the revamped Garden.

    Have you heard the version of Alive at Rhapsody? I'm telling you there was some completely different stuff in it. Sorry, but for some reason I can't seem to find it any more to provide a link to you.

    No. I only heard the version of Porch, which sounded pretty much the same, only more raw. They didn't use the slow intro or anything.

    Someone somewhere around here said that for the initial release of Ten, the mixing engineers completely chopped up Mike's solo, so I imagine if they restored it to the more raw, live studio cut, it would sound significantly different.
  • HeavyHandsHeavyHands Posts: 2,130
    soulsinging wrote:
    Someone somewhere around here said that for the initial release of Ten, the mixing engineers completely chopped up Mike's solo, so I imagine if they restored it to the more raw, live studio cut, it would sound significantly different.

    Interesting. I hadn't heard that. That could very well explain it.

    Thanks.
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  • CJMST3KCJMST3K Posts: 9,722
    I heard they are going to add CGI effects, like they did to star wars. ;)
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  • HeavyHandsHeavyHands Posts: 2,130
    CJMST3K wrote:
    I heard they are going to add CGI effects, like they did to star wars. ;)

    Good, because that guitar duel McCready had with 2-1B has been circulating in low quality bootlegs for years. I can't wait to hear it in 7.1 Surround.
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  • CE202890CE202890 Posts: 39
    soulsinging wrote:

    Remastering means it's going to sound like the Ten you have now, only it will be a bit clearer and louder.

    Remixing means they are going to strip down the songs like they did for the greatest hits and take off the glossy studio effects. There was a lot of reverb and echo added to songs and riffs. All that will still be on the remastered version, but not on the remixed version. For instance, listen to the intro for Black on Ten and on the greatest hits... remastered will still sound exactly like the Ten version... like it's coming in on a tinny radio. That's because it's a studio effect from the original that will be kept. It will just be clearer and louder. The remixed will sound like greatest hits... a regular jagged guitar riff without any sort of echo or studio trickery.

    It's a subtle difference, but I think it will be very noticeable when you listen to the albums. But nothing is being re-recorded.

    Thanks for the explanation......

    Another question regarding Breath and a scream...............think this going to be an alternative version of Breath, or can we expect something similar to whats on Rearviewmirror? The change in title is making me a little nervous.
  • CJMST3KCJMST3K Posts: 9,722
    CE202890 wrote:
    Another question regarding Breath and a scream...............think this going to be an alternative version of Breath, or can we expect something similar to whats on Rearviewmirror? The change in title is making me a little nervous.


    Actually, after the song Breath, you'll hear someone scream on the cd. :D
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  • Mr DerpMr Derp Posts: 319
    CJMST3K wrote:
    CE202890 wrote:
    Another question regarding Breath and a scream...............think this going to be an alternative version of Breath, or can we expect something similar to whats on Rearviewmirror? The change in title is making me a little nervous.


    Actually, after the song Breath, you'll hear someone scream on the cd. :D

    :lol:

    I'd imagine it's getting the same treatment as Brother and the rest of Ten. Some tweaking and some cleaning up. As for the name change, since they're using only stuff recorded during the Ten sessions, that must be what they called it back then. The version they recorded for Singles was recorded only a year or so later, so I doubt the song drastically changed. For whatever reason, they just weren't happy enough with the version they recorded during the Ten days and probably forgot about it until they started digging though their archives for the Ten re-issue/remix.
  • PegasusPegasus Posts: 3,754
    CB29798 wrote:
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it possible the Brendan O'Brien will use original alternate takes of the tracks as well when remixing? The remixed version of Alive that I listened to at Rhapsody had notes and solos I've never heard before and I've played Ten into the dust. If the band didn't record new takes of their parts (and I have yet to hear that they were) then O'Brien must be using old or alternate takes in addition to changing the mix levels.
    that's what I was thinking too.
    BoB could very well use alternate takes (no-one ever suggested they re-recorded anything).
    That wouldn't necessarily sound hugely different, but some subtle differences might appear (there's definitely stuff in the RS Porch I never heard before, it might have been completely drowned or it might be new)
  • DD164485DD164485 Posts: 149
    CE202890 wrote:
    soulsinging wrote:

    Remastering means it's going to sound like the Ten you have now, only it will be a bit clearer and louder.

    Remixing means they are going to strip down the songs like they did for the greatest hits and take off the glossy studio effects. There was a lot of reverb and echo added to songs and riffs. All that will still be on the remastered version, but not on the remixed version. For instance, listen to the intro for Black on Ten and on the greatest hits... remastered will still sound exactly like the Ten version... like it's coming in on a tinny radio. That's because it's a studio effect from the original that will be kept. It will just be clearer and louder. The remixed will sound like greatest hits... a regular jagged guitar riff without any sort of echo or studio trickery.

    It's a subtle difference, but I think it will be very noticeable when you listen to the albums. But nothing is being re-recorded.

    Thanks for the explanation......

    Another question regarding Breath and a scream...............think this going to be an alternative version of Breath, or can we expect something similar to whats on Rearviewmirror? The change in title is making me a little nervous.


    "Breath" was originally titled: "Breath and A Scream".

    This is likely a very early take. I remember hearing it on the "Ten Demo's" bootleg that I have.

    The demo take as well as very early live versions of "Breath" had a slightly different lyrics most notably the chourus where Eddie would sing:

    Oh reach the door. A breath and a scream

    Where as the version found on the singles soundtrack cuts the word "Scream" out such as

    "Oh reach the door. A breath and a..."

    I'm really looking forward to hearing this early version of "Breath" as it's one of my all time favorite songs.
  • JHirschbeinJHirschbein Posts: 76
    Is the remastered version of VS slowed down a bit? I love the new layers you can hear in WMA, but Animal sounds like it’s slowed down or something? Am I wrong?
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