Who said it won't stimulate?

SolarWorldSolarWorld Posts: 1,902
edited February 2009 in A Moving Train
Just found out that the $8,000 tax credit for new home buyers is refundable. Also found out you can claim it on your '08 return. I close in a week. $8,000 is going to stimulate me just fine, thank you Obama!

Now I really can't wait until the tour! ;)
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  • Drowned OutDrowned Out Posts: 6,056
    SolarWorld wrote:
    Now I really can't wait until the tour! ;)
    ya, wouldn't want to pay down your mortgage with it, would ya? Might as well see PJ on credit, right? :P
    (just giving you a hard time...I've done the same in the past)

    Nice to see that there are some benefits for the little guys.
  • SolarWorldSolarWorld Posts: 1,902
    In all honesty most of it will be put into the house since it needs some work. :) Though it is going to provide some breathing room for me and mine to get our own stimulus on later in the year ;).
  • Sorry for being a bummer Bob but that would be the second to the last thing I would do with my money....putting money into the house. The first being buy a house. The market will not be returning my friend....ever. :twisted:
  • it's basically an interest free loan because you have to pay it back over 15 years (with a tax increase).
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  • Drowned OutDrowned Out Posts: 6,056
    it's basically an interest free loan because you have to pay it back over 15 years (with a tax increase).
    ah. see, why would I have thought it was good for the little guys? :lol:

    I kinda agree with mr.garrett up there ^^^maybe not the 'ever' part, but...

    I'm leary of debt right now, period.
    I had a friend tell me he was going to go buy a new truck the other day...
    conversation went like this:
    'I'm gettin a new truck....have you seen what they're selling for these days?'
    'I'd be careful takin on a lot of debt right now, man'
    'but I can get a kick ass diesel, brand new for the same price I paid for this POS; my payments won't even change'
    'ya, but....you might not have a job a year from now, do you not even watch the news? (cue rant :lol: )'
    'you know what man? I don't even pay attention to that shit, there's nothing I can do to prevent it'
    'But you can protect yourself by NOT buying a new truck'
    :roll:
    (total microcosm of our fuckdom...past and present)


    anyway....good luck with the house and congrats :)
  • SolarWorldSolarWorld Posts: 1,902
    it's basically an interest free loan because you have to pay it back over 15 years (with a tax increase).

    This is incorrect...

    It WAS a loan that maxed out at $7500, it is now a refundable tax credit up to $8,000 which is part of the new stim. Know what you are talking about before you open your mouth, just saying.

    And as far as not a good time buying a house? Wrong again. Rates have fallen to the lowest levels since they started keeping track. Just had our deal re-adjusted yesterday, I've got the down and and the score to take advantage of it. Throwing rent away every month? No thanks. Done with that. Dont plan on moving any time soon. We may end up in this house for 10+ years. OK by me. Did I mention my house payment will be less than what Im currently paying in rent? Did you know a portion of your payment and your property taxes are tax deductable? Problably not. In my case, I am going to have more money in my pocket being a home owner vs. throwing money away renting. And thanks to Obama I'll have an extra 8 grand to do with how I please.

    So Drowned Out, the stim does help the little guy.
  • SolarWorldSolarWorld Posts: 1,902
    whgarrett wrote:
    Sorry for being a bummer Bob but that would be the second to the last thing I would do with my money....putting money into the house. The first being buy a house. The market will not be returning my friend....ever. :twisted:

    Yeah dont take advantage of the house prices and low rates, keep throwing money away renting. Great advice. :roll:
  • SolarWorld wrote:
    it's basically an interest free loan because you have to pay it back over 15 years (with a tax increase).

    This is incorrect...

    It WAS a loan that maxed out at $7500, it is now a refundable tax credit up to $8,000 which is part of the new stim. Know what you are talking about before you open your mouth, just saying.

    And as far as not a good time buying a house? Wrong again. Rates have fallen to the lowest levels since they started keeping track. Just had our deal re-adjusted yesterday, I've got the down and and the score to take advantage of it. Throwing rent away every month? No thanks. Done with that. Dont plan on moving any time soon. We may end up in this house for 10+ years. OK by me. Did I mention my house payment will be less than what Im currently paying in rent? Did you know a portion of your payment and your property taxes are tax deductable? Problably not. In my case, I am going to have more money in my pocket being a home owner vs. throwing money away renting. And thanks to Obama I'll have an extra 8 grand to do with how I please.

    So Drowned Out, the stim does help the little guy.

    Sorry Mr. Smarty Pants... Everything that I read was that it was just an increase on the current $7500 credit. But then again I was concentrating on the old info because we bought our house in Oct '08.

    Now I'm pissed that if we would have waited 2 months to buy a house, we would have gotten $8,000 in free money... This stimulus packaged ain't stimulating shit for me besides that stupid $15 b-weekly increase.


    edit - And as far as buying/not buying now, it's a GREAT time to buy a house... Obviously if you work in an industry/company where layoffs have happened (or could happen), then yeah, taking on debt doesn't make a lot of sense, but if you are comfortable in your job/field, buying now makes sense.
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  • yokeyoke Posts: 1,440
    SolarWorld wrote:
    Just found out that the $8,000 tax credit for new home buyers is refundable. Also found out you can claim it on your '08 return. I close in a week. $8,000 is going to stimulate me just fine, thank you Obama!

    Now I really can't wait until the tour! ;)



    so what do I get? I bought mine 4 years ago.
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  • Here's an idea ... It's too bad we cant send all the illegal immigrants back to Mexico and then maybe all the people that lost their jobs due to them coming here ILLEGALY could get their jobs back or businesses. I know this will never happen b/c it makes to much sense.
  • gvn2fly74 wrote:
    Here's an idea ... It's too bad we cant send all the illegal immigrants back to Mexico and then maybe all the people that lost their jobs due to them coming here ILLEGALY could get their jobs back or businesses. I know this will never happen b/c it makes to much sense.


    Great idea... we can spend billions of dollars rounding illegals up and deporting them, then either convince the american unemployed people to take jobs paying below minimum wage (vs making more on welfare), or raise the wages and have either thousands of companies go under or raise their prices on just about everything which would affect all of us and tank the economy even more.
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  • SolarWorld wrote:
    whgarrett wrote:
    Sorry for being a bummer Bob but that would be the second to the last thing I would do with my money....putting money into the house. The first being buy a house. The market will not be returning my friend....ever. :twisted:

    Yeah dont take advantage of the house prices and low rates, keep throwing money away renting. Great advice. :roll:

    its a great time to buy a house OUTRIGHT,
    or to buy it on LOW margin (meaning, say only a 20-50% mortgage, with 50-80% equity)
    and RENT IT OUT.

    The rental market is actually primed for take off.
    A disproportionatly large percentage of foreclosures ARE AMONG RENTAL PROPERTIES
    (collapsing home values have forced landlords in to foreclosure by the hundreds of thousands)
    and MIDDLE TO LOW INCOME RENTERS ARE FINDING THEMSELVES OUT ON THE STREETS IN DROVES.

    Now would be an absolutely STUPID time to buy a house on a full (80% +) mortage, or to be buying based on some errant theory of price appreciation.

    The housing market COULD TAKE A BLOW OF AROUND ANOTHER 15% to 30% EASY, and possibly more, depending on just how fucked things get.

    Now would also be a GREAT time to RENT WITHOUT A LEASE, if you can find the place,
    and to just sit and wait for that conflux of events that participates a further collapse of the housing market in order to REALLY scoop the bottom, and not get caught on the cusp of the second leg down.
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  • chromiamchromiam Posts: 4,114
    Yeah that stimulus package really helped the stock markets.... DOW down another 250 points today....
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  • SolarWorldSolarWorld Posts: 1,902

    Now would be an absolutely STUPID time to buy a house on a full (80% +) mortage, or to be buying based on some errant theory of price appreciation.


    You know what is stupid? Listening to some loony toon on a message board for your investment advice. :lol:
  • SolarWorldSolarWorld Posts: 1,902
    chromiam wrote:
    Yeah that stimulus package really helped the stock markets.... DOW down another 250 points today....

    Wasn't supposed to do shit for the stock markets. You wont see any sense of stability in them until the banks are dealt with. Even then we could see DOW 1,000. It's possible.
  • SolarWorld wrote:
    it's basically an interest free loan because you have to pay it back over 15 years (with a tax increase).

    This is incorrect...

    It WAS a loan that maxed out at $7500, it is now a refundable tax credit up to $8,000 which is part of the new stim. Know what you are talking about before you open your mouth, just saying.

    And as far as not a good time buying a house? Wrong again. Rates have fallen to the lowest levels since they started keeping track. Just had our deal re-adjusted yesterday, I've got the down and and the score to take advantage of it. Throwing rent away every month? No thanks. Done with that. Dont plan on moving any time soon. We may end up in this house for 10+ years. OK by me. Did I mention my house payment will be less than what Im currently paying in rent? Did you know a portion of your payment and your property taxes are tax deductable? Problably not. In my case, I am going to have more money in my pocket being a home owner vs. throwing money away renting. And thanks to Obama I'll have an extra 8 grand to do with how I please.

    So Drowned Out, the stim does help the little guy.

    Cool. A few questions for you:

    What are the income restrictions (if any)?

    Do you have to close on your house first and then file for taxes, or can you file first and buy the house within a few months?
  • Pats54Pats54 Posts: 276
    yoke wrote:
    SolarWorld wrote:
    Just found out that the $8,000 tax credit for new home buyers is refundable. Also found out you can claim it on your '08 return. I close in a week. $8,000 is going to stimulate me just fine, thank you Obama!

    Now I really can't wait until the tour! ;)



    so what do I get? I bought mine 4 years ago.

    Just stop paying your mortgage, get one step away from foreclosure, then call Acorn and tell them you were too stupid to understand the cost asociated with buying a house and maybe they will try to help you out. :lol:
  • SolarWorldSolarWorld Posts: 1,902

    Cool. A few questions for you:

    What are the income restrictions (if any)?

    Do you have to close on your house first and then file for taxes, or can you file first and buy the house within a few months?

    Fairly generous, you are going to want to double check though. I'm pretty sure it's 75gs for a single person and 150gs for a married couple.

    If you have already filed and want to get the money this year you can file an amendment to your already filed taxes. They are allowing you to put Dec. 31st on the purchase date. I'm guessing until the April(?) deadline to file.
  • gvn2fly74 wrote:
    Here's an idea ... It's too bad we cant send all the illegal immigrants back to Mexico and then maybe all the people that lost their jobs due to them coming here ILLEGALY could get their jobs back or businesses. I know this will never happen b/c it makes to much sense.


    Great idea... we can spend billions of dollars rounding illegals up and deporting them, then either convince the american unemployed people to take jobs paying below minimum wage (vs making more on welfare), or raise the wages and have either thousands of companies go under or raise their prices on just about everything which would affect all of us and tank the economy even more.

    were already spending billions of dollars on them any way.just look at California their almost bankrupt becuase of illegal immagration and what American is gonna take a job making less than minimum wage
  • SolarWorld wrote:

    Cool. A few questions for you:

    What are the income restrictions (if any)?

    Do you have to close on your house first and then file for taxes, or can you file first and buy the house within a few months?

    Fairly generous, you are going to want to double check though. I'm pretty sure it's 75gs for a single person and 150gs for a married couple.

    If you have already filed and want to get the money this year you can file an amendment to your already filed taxes. They are allowing you to put Dec. 31st on the purchase date. I'm guessing until the April(?) deadline to file.

    Thank you. Judging by your username, are you a fan of Zeitgeist Addendum?
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