“stimulus” plan is about debt owed to bankers, not socialism

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edited February 2009 in A Moving Train
This is one of the better articles I've read by Mr. Nimmo -- on point.

Obama’s “stimulus” plan is about debt owed to bankers, not government socialism

Kurt Nimmo
Infowars
February 14, 2009

Republicans are trotting out the “S” word in response to Obama’s historically unprecedented borrow and spend bill. “S” stands for socialism.

Rep. Bob Latta, an Ohio Republican, told WSPD AM in Bowling Green that when he looked at the latest cover of Newsweek, he was “looking for the hammer and sickle someplace on there.”

Newsweek’s latest issue declares in big bold type: “We Are All Socialists Now” and compares the current political landscape in this country to European socialism. “If you want government to take everything, if you want government to take more and more over with the banks, more of the industries, all of a sudden you’re going to have a government auto czar, right there, right down the line, that’s socialism,” said Latta.

Mr. Latta has it backwards — the government is not taking over the banks. In fact, the banks long ago took over the government.

European socialism is the model: more precisely, the globalist European Union. It is not the sort of socialism one reads about in political science books — a broad set of economic theories of social organization advocating public or state ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods, and a society characterized by equal opportunities for all individuals, with a fair or egalitarian method of compensation.

It has nothing to do with the egalitarian distribution of wealth. It has to do with the inegalitarian distribution of wealth upward, to the bankers and transnational corporations. It is more akin to National Socialism, that is to say fascism.

Republicans like to delude themselves into believing Obama’s borrow and spend bill represents a return of the welfare state. According to Robert Rector, a senior research fellow at the Heritage Foundation, in the first year following enactment of the stimulus bill, “federal welfare spending will explode upward by more than 20 percent, rising from $491 billion in fiscal year 2008 to $601 billion in FY 2009.” Rector notes this represents the largest expansion of “welfare” in the nation’s history. “Once the hidden welfare spending in the bill is counted,” writes Rector, “the total 10-year fiscal burden (added to the national debt) will not be $816 billion, as claimed, but $1.34 trillion. This amounts to $17,400 for each household paying income tax in the U.S.”

However, the word “welfare” in this context is misleading, same as socialism. Obama’s supposedly “socialist” borrow and spend bill “will add to the growing number of people dependent on government and, thus, politicians, who will never show them the way out of poverty, but give them only enough money to sustain them in poverty and then tell them if they don’t vote for Democrats, those nasty Republicans will take their checks away,” according to Rector. Republicans have deluded themselves with this fallacious line of reasoning for decades.

For Republicans, welfare and socialism are about Democrats attempting to gain control of the political system, when in fact welfare is a cover for a larger and far more pernicious banker scam designed to impose debt on the nation as a whole.

“The Obama administration economic stimulus package is going to force the Treasury to borrow approximately $2.5 trillion in 2009 and another $4 trillion in 2010, with the result of increasing the current $10 trillion national debt by 65 percent in just two years,” writes Jerome Corsi. “If the Obama administration increases the national debt by 65 percent every two years, the debt will be $16.5 trillion in 2010 and $27.225 trillion by 2012, the year of the next presidential election.”

Corsi cites Craig Smith, founder and CEO of Swiss America, who estimates it would take approximately four generations of Americans to pay off the interest of the U.S. Treasury bonds sold as debt to create the $1 trillion stimulus package, factoring in a 3 percent growth rate in the economy throughout that time.

This is precisely what Obama’s borrow and spend bill is all about — extending the reach of the national debt owed to the bankers into the distant future. It has nothing to do with welfare or socialism as far too many Republicans claim. It has to do with debt slavery. It has to do with control.

Republicans by and large supported George Bush, who increased the national debt by more than $4 trillion during his reign, the largest increase in U.S. history. On the day Bush took office, the national debt stood at $5.727 trillion and by the time he exited it had ballooned to more than $9.849 trillion, a 71.9 percent increase. Not a word about this out of self-righteous Republicans as they complain about Obama’s borrow and spend bill.

In order to drive the point home, Corsi notes that the U.S. National Debt Clock, at Times Square in New York City, needs to be modified to eliminate the dollar sign in order to reflect the national debt in tens of trillions of dollars.

Fractional reserve banking — the basis of the current financial system — is about usury, fraud and insurmountable debt. Since the Federal Reserve Act was passed into law in the dead of night in 1913, bankers have fraudulently created money out of thin air and the process of lending money has created staggering inflation. Obama’s “stimulus” bill will make sure future generations are enslaved by this astronomical debt. It is a scientifically engineered event designed to consolidate power and wealth in the hands of the global elite.

The end result will not be a welfare state indebted to and voting for Democrats. It will be debt slavery and the imposition of a world government run by and for the international bankers.

Republicans need to get back to their Jeffersonian and Jacksonian roots. “If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their money, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them (around the banks), will deprive the people of their property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered,” wrote Jefferson.

“I am one of those who do not believe that a national debt is a national blessing, but rather a curse to a republic,” wrote Andrew Jackson, “inasmuch as it is calculated to raise around the administration a moneyed aristocracy dangerous to the liberties of the country.”

Obama represents the current version of this “moneyed aristocracy.” His administration is packed with bankster operatives and globalists from the Council on Foreign Relations, the Trilateral Commission, and the Bilderbergers. His financial guru is the former chairman of the Federal Reserve and a Rothschild banking operative, Paul Volcker, who has declared Americans have been living beyond their means for too long.

Instead of the “S” word, Republicans need to concentrate on the “B” word — that is “B” for bankers. Anything less than exposing the criminal plan of the international bankers to enslave the nation — indeed, the entire world — to debt into perpetuity is a betrayal of the people they claim to represent.
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  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    edited February 2009
    I completely agree... if this was about socialism, we'd be bailing out homeowners and letting the rich bankers take a hit for the good of the poor citizens. But it's not. This ensures that homeowners are all still in debt, though if they're lucky they can refinance their loan... but the bottom line is banks still get every penny of interest on their bad loans and the homeowners are still fucked.

    I'm not a huge fan of bailing out the irresponsible, but this plan does nothing to solve the real problem. If we want to solve the problem, bail out the homeowners. Pay off their mortgages so they can start spending into the economy again. The banks lose the interest that gives them a profit but at least recover on the capital of the home loan. They'll hurt, but they'll live. And the homeowners can actually jump start the economy, more so than insuring bank profits will.
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  • I completely agree... if this was about socialism, we'd be bailing out homeowners and letting the rich bankers take a hit at the expense of the poor citizens. But it's not. This ensures that homeowners are all still in debt, though if they're lucky they can refinance their loan... but the bottom line is banks still get every penny of interest on their bad loans and the homeowners are still fucked.

    I'm not a huge fan of bailing out the irresponsible, but this plan does nothing to solve the real problem. If we want to solve the problem, bail out the homeowners. Pay off their mortgages so they can start spending into the economy again and the banks lose the interest but at least recover on the capital of the home loan. They'll hurt, but they'll live, and the homeowners can actually jump start the economy, more so than insuring bank profits will.

    Agreed with all of the above.
  • i don't believe in bailing out the bankers, nor homeowners.....but it's just not my call to make. i think either are lousey choices. my husband and i work hard to be certain we make our mortgages payments faithfully each month, so i am no fan of bailing out the irresponsible for taking on more debt...or banks incurring loans....that they cannot afford. i can only hope that obama, and whomever he has advising him and his choices....know wtf they are doing and some good will come out of all this. time will tell.
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  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    i don't believe in bailing out the bankers, nor homeowners.....but it's just not my call to make. i think either are lousey choices. my husband and i work hard to be certain we make our mortgages payments faithfully each month, so i am no fan of bailing out the irresponsible for taking on more debt...or banks incurring loans....that they cannot afford. i can only hope that obama, and whomever he has advising him and his choices....know wtf they are doing and some good will come out of all this. time will tell.

    I agree with that. Personally, I say let the whole damn system crash and wash away the dead weight and let's start over. But if you're going to piss away $1 trillion taxpayer dollars in some hail mary effort to prop this shit up, they ought to make it count. I don't think this bailout does us any good. It will keep the same sick system limping along and ensure that the wealthy have enough time to shore up their finances before bailing and leaving the rest of us screwed.
  • SolarWorldSolarWorld Posts: 1,902
    The housing plan is coming. Obama knows the country is bankrupt. So does Giethner, why do you think he didnt have any details the other day? When Obama said he would. Cause he took a closer look and said, "We are fucked". We are lucky that we at least have a president that is smart enough to get it. Just imagine the mess we would be in if McCain and Palin had control. It's really really bad. But it could be A LOT worse. I think I will wait and see what Obama comes up with for home owners before I pass judgement on the stimuli. After all this is just one part of more to come.
  • chromiamchromiam Posts: 4,114
    One more part of the trillions and trillions of dollars which generations will be paying off and that the middle class (or what's left of it) will not see a dime of unless they are unemployed.
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  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    SolarWorld wrote:
    The housing plan is coming. Obama knows the country is bankrupt. So does Giethner, why do you think he didnt have any details the other day? When Obama said he would. Cause he took a closer look and said, "We are fucked". We are lucky that we at least have a president that is smart enough to get it. Just imagine the mess we would be in if McCain and Palin had control. It's really really bad. But it could be A LOT worse. I think I will wait and see what Obama comes up with for home owners before I pass judgement on the stimuli. After all this is just one part of more to come.

    That's what bothers me... if we're going to bail out homeowners, then we just pissed $1 billion into the wind. This stimulus could be a fraction of what it is and work 100 times better. All we did was basically give a huge bonus to the banks for fucking up.
  • SolarWorldSolarWorld Posts: 1,902
    SolarWorld wrote:
    The housing plan is coming. Obama knows the country is bankrupt. So does Giethner, why do you think he didnt have any details the other day? When Obama said he would. Cause he took a closer look and said, "We are fucked". We are lucky that we at least have a president that is smart enough to get it. Just imagine the mess we would be in if McCain and Palin had control. It's really really bad. But it could be A LOT worse. I think I will wait and see what Obama comes up with for home owners before I pass judgement on the stimuli. After all this is just one part of more to come.

    That's what bothers me... if we're going to bail out homeowners, then we just pissed $1 billion into the wind. This stimulus could be a fraction of what it is and work 100 times better. All we did was basically give a huge bonus to the banks for fucking up.

    I'm not sure where you are getting this from. None of this money is being given to banks. Watch what Obama does to these banks. He said some are going to fail and he's going to let them.
  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    SolarWorld wrote:
    I'm not sure where you are getting this from. None of this money is being given to banks. Watch what Obama does to these banks. He said some are going to fail and he's going to let them.

    I'll believe it when I see it. And even if none of this money went to banks, the last round of $800 billion did... that's a lot of money to be throwing away that doesn't do shit to solve our problems.
  • SolarWorldSolarWorld Posts: 1,902
    SolarWorld wrote:
    I'm not sure where you are getting this from. None of this money is being given to banks. Watch what Obama does to these banks. He said some are going to fail and he's going to let them.

    I'll believe it when I see it. And even if none of this money went to banks, the last round of $800 billion did... that's a lot of money to be throwing away that doesn't do shit to solve our problems.

    The TARP money and this stimulus bill are two different things. And I don't believe that the TARP was that large. Do you have a source for that number?
  • kenny olavkenny olav Posts: 3,319
    You can learn more about the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act and read the full bill here, if interested:

    http://www.recovery.gov


    I plan to read this later.
  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    http://money.cnn.com/2008/10/03/news/ec ... 2008100309

    I've met this woman, but little did I know she was so astute:

    Rep. Marcy Kaptur, D-Ohio, said "Pray for our Republic. She's being placed in ... very greedy hands."
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