Steroids in Baseball

RW81233

I can't understand why anyone is upset by all of this anyway. I mean Willie Mays used amphetamines to enhance performance, and that is something that has been directly linked to better athletic performance. In addition many stars throughout history (Mike Schmidt and so on) used amphetamines as well (should we erase their records?). Conversely, HGH hasn't yet been scientifically tested for its ability to help performance (though it's likely that it does), yet we have an issue with its use? I don't get it. Maybe it's the fact that I can't get my head around what constitutes an illegal performance enhancement or a legal one.

If the assumption is that we need to make players success be linked to their own 'natural' bodies then should we allow for things like Tommy John surgery? Is that not a performance enhancement? Why are we ok with that, but not HGH which is prescribed in 'real' life to help injury recovery?

Or to bring things to real life, I'm a teacher, should I test students for caffeine, adderall, ritalin, and other "performance enhancing drugs" that help students get grades on exams and papers that they wouldn't have otherwise? Sometimes the use of these performance enhancing drugs is illegal right? Am I way off base on thinking this way?

Gary Carter

people use amphetamines to keep them awake is basically coffee.roids are illegal now in mlb and some of them like what afraud took are banned from the country. mlb and mlbpa knew this was coming and chose to do nothing bout it. ask jeff bagwell if hgh or roids have an effect on you, oh wait you cant cause he's six feet under from them. so you're saying having surgery is cheating :?. hgh makes you bulk up at a very high rate if you inject in mass

Fighting Hellfish

the main reason it should be banned (aside from the fact that is a crime) is that by allowing it, players on the cusp, between being major leaguers and farmhands will have to do it to keep up, and will end up wuth shrinking balls, roid rage, and possibly die young. That's the next era in all of this. Guys droppoing dead in their 40's and 50's

igotid88

metsfan wrote:

people use amphetamines to keep them awake is basically coffee.roids are illegal now in mlb and some of them like what afraud took are banned from the country. mlb and mlbpa knew this was coming and chose to do nothing bout it. ask jeff bagwell if hgh or roids have an effect on you, oh wait you cant cause he's six feet under from them. so you're saying having surgery is cheating :?. hgh makes you bulk up at a very high rate if you inject in mass

jeff bagwell isn't dead.

Red Mosquito75

At the time arod used it was not against the rules. Against the law yes but not the rules. So whose fault is that. Baseball itself. It was wrong and unethical but did not violate any rules. I'm sure every player even hank aaron has taken something. Maybe caffeinne, sugar or whatever. We should move on. From the point they started hard core testing if you use then there is no remorse but for something one did before it was against the rules we should move one and let it go. with or without roids arod is a hell of a player. there are bigger isssues in sports then if this one guy used. Lets look at mlb fora llowing this.

Gary Carter

igotid88 wrote:

metsfan wrote:

people use amphetamines to keep them awake is basically coffee.roids are illegal now in mlb and some of them like what afraud took are banned from the country. mlb and mlbpa knew this was coming and chose to do nothing bout it. ask jeff bagwell if hgh or roids have an effect on you, oh wait you cant cause he's six feet under from them. so you're saying having surgery is cheating :?. hgh makes you bulk up at a very high rate if you inject in mass

jeff bagwell isn't dead.

i was thinking of ken caminti thanks for pointing that out

gregkitefan

The title should be steroids in all sports.
If you believe this is only a problem in baseball then you are dreaming.
Look at the size of the NFL, NHL and NBA players from 20 years ago. Look at them now.
Science can only take you so far.

Money can change anyone........

RW81233

Too true about steroids in all sports...I mean how did Tom Brady go from having a candy ass arm to having a howitzer? Anyway the philosophical questions I offered were:
1. Regardless of legality what constitutes performance enhancement that is unacceptable? From what I gather people are fine with pulling a tendon from a leg and sticking it in a shoulder, but taking HGH is a no-no. Amphetamines fine (even though they are more closely tied to better performance), steroids (which probably help, but maybe not on the day to day level of amphetamines) are not.

2. If you are against the use of illegal drugs (which is fine), where do you draw the line on the space that its used? In other words, many say its not ok for steroids to be used because it gets people into a place they didn't earn on their own. But in my student analogy, couldn't it be said that they wouldn't have the same GPA without the use of illegally obtained "uppers"? Should they be suspended from school, not allowed to work?

In other words I understand that steroids have a bad name (even though they are actually quite useful), but why do you hate them more than other PED's and surgeries? Maybe it has something to do with the fact that USSR began using them on athletes first and its simply a cold war propaganda remnant...maybe?

tybird

gregkitefan wrote:

The title should be steroids in all sports.
If you believe this is only a problem in baseball then you are dreaming.
Look at the size of the NFL, NHL and NBA players from 20 years ago. Look at them now.
Science can only take you so far.

Money can change anyone........

We know that NFL players were using 'roids in the 1970's and beyond.....members of the Pittsburgh championship teams from the 1970's used them at a very high physical cost....then there is Lyle Alazado

smithnic

You all should watch "Bigger, Stronger, Faster", it's a documentary about steroid use and it's REAL consequences. There seems to be hardly any evidence to suggest these terrible side effects and horrible consequences. I think the media cares way more than the average fan about PED's in baseball.

Wobbie

metsfan wrote:

igotid88 wrote:

metsfan wrote:

people use amphetamines to keep them awake is basically coffee.roids are illegal now in mlb and some of them like what afraud took are banned from the country. mlb and mlbpa knew this was coming and chose to do nothing bout it. ask jeff bagwell if hgh or roids have an effect on you, oh wait you cant cause he's six feet under from them. so you're saying having surgery is cheating :?. hgh makes you bulk up at a very high rate if you inject in mass

jeff bagwell isn't dead.

i was thinking of ken caminti thanks for pointing that out

We all know you rarely let FACTS get in the way of your insane rants. Even with Caminiti, it wasn't steroids that killed him.

By the way, here's a little item from ESPN. Hank's not nearly as bent out of shape as you are...

Aaron wouldn't change record

Hank Aaron told the Atlanta Journal-Constitution on Friday he believes the home run record belongs to Barry Bonds and it should stay that way.

The former career home run leader does not want MLB to change the record books because of the steroid era.

"In all fairness to everybody, I just don't see how you really can do a thing like that and just say somebody isn't the record holder anymore, and let's go back to the way that it was," Aaron told the Journal-Constitution Friday, referring to the controversy involving Bonds, Mark McGwire, Alex Rodriguez and other players who have been linked to performance enhancing drugs.

"If you did that, you'd have to go back and change all kinds of records, and the [home run] record was very important to me. It's probably the most hallowed record out there, as far as I'm concerned, but it's now in the hands of somebody else. It belongs to Barry."

Aaron said trying to decide which players should be held accountable is tough.

"Really, it's sort of a tricky call when you start going down that road of who is legitimate," Aaron told the Journal-Constitution. "I don't know if Barry would have hit as many home runs or hit them as far -- if that's the case that he did use steroids -- but I still don't think it has anything to do with him having the kind of baseball career that he had.

"He could have had an excellent career, regardless of what he did. So it would be something that I don't think the commissioner would like to get involved in, really. There are things out there besides worrying about a home run record that somebody now holds. Barry has the record, and I don't think anybody can change that."

CROJAM95

The funniest part of the steriod scandal is that football players fail all the time....look at Merriman in SD


why doesn't congress wanna talk to him


cause baseball(Im a big fan) has some weird element to it. All these people involved in the burning people at the stake....think back when they were "LITTLE LEAUGERS" AWWWWWWWW...Makes me wanna puke.There little cute pictures holding their bats over their shoulders and smiling with no teeth..hehe. They think to themselves how dare these guys ruin the game.....IT COULDA BEEN ME, I COULDA BEEN AROD, OR BARRY

CAUSE IN BASEBALL....NEWSFLASH PEOPLE , ANYONE CAN PLAY.IMO its a game more than a sport.There's a position for everyone.Your short play here...your fat DH etc.. Granted u have to get good and it is tough...but you can get there if dedicated

You cant teach DNA...and how naturally big someone can get.FOOTBALL WE EXPECT BRUTALITY....thats why we dont give a shit when someone gets busted

Wobbie

Baseball union head Donald Fehr began his annual tour of spring training camps yesterday in Jupiter, Fla., with steroids back in the spotlight.

"Everybody understands that there were things which happened in the early part of the decade which we wish hadn't, that that's not the case anymore," Fehr said after meeting with Marlins players.

"We fixed the problem and we need to look forward, as Bud has said many times."

See? It's fixed. Don't sweat it. :shock: