Just a thought. I haven't heard any of the "Remastered" tracks from the new Ten record. Is there a differece in the new Ten or does it sound just like the old Ten?
Just a thought. I haven't heard any of the "Remastered" tracks from the new Ten record. Is there a differece in the new Ten or does it sound just like the old Ten?
Thanks
Dave
sounds the same....
costs $140 more than the original.......
next question.............
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"Remastered" is a marketing ploy--it will sound like old ten. Buy the reissue for the extras (unplugged DVD etc.) not for a different sounding album.
Remastered isn't a marketing ploy. It's to keep the sound of the album as close to original, while readying it for more current equipment.
Remixed, will sound quite a bit different.
We are talking about two different things, yes? The O'Brien remix will certainly sound different--who knows by how much, and who knows if it will sound better. I guess that is a question of preference.
The remastered Ten will sound the same. They are probably just compressing the old analog master into a new "remastered" digital version. I could be wrong, but I highly doubt there will be "any real difference" in the sound quality.
Remastering is basically a marketing ploy, remixing is a different animal all together.
to the average ear, remastering adjusts the "loudness" of a track...I don't know about everyone else but ten sounds pretty hollow compared to the other albums...I'm hoping the remastered version just has some more kick to it.
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"Remastered" is a marketing ploy--it will sound like old ten. Buy the reissue for the extras (unplugged DVD etc.) not for a different sounding album.
Remastered isn't a marketing ploy. It's to keep the sound of the album as close to original, while readying it for more current equipment.
Remixed, will sound quite a bit different.
We are talking about two different things, yes? The O'Brien remix will certainly sound different--who knows by how much, and who knows if it will sound better. I guess that is a question of preference.
The remastered Ten will sound the same. They are probably just compressing the old analog master into a new "remastered" digital version. I could be wrong, but I highly doubt there will be "any real difference" in the sound quality.
Remastering is basically a marketing ploy, remixing is a different animal all together.
Remastering is done to bring the music into modern formats. The same mastering that works for records, doesn't work on cd's.
It will sound the same, but that's what it is designed to do. There are alotta albums that have benefited from a remaster, especially when formats change.
Remastering is done to bring the music into modern formats. The same mastering that works for records, doesn't work on cd's.
It will sound the same, but that's what it is designed to do. There are alotta albums that have benefited from a remaster, especially when formats change.
Agreed.
Keep in mind Ten was originally released in CD format. We aren't talking about digging up old analog tapes from the 60's made exclusively for vinyl records and compressing them into digital versions. Those tend to be the albums that benefit most from a remaster, IMO.
I still doubt a remastered version TEN will sound different, but it is a necessary step to allow O'Brien to remix. Both versions will apparently be included in the reissue. So I imagine the O'Brien remix will have some significant changes, or else everyone will complain that both disks sound the exact same and the O'Brien mix was pointless.
Just a thought. I haven't heard any of the "Remastered" tracks from the new Ten record. Is there a differece in the new Ten or does it sound just like the old Ten?
Thanks
Dave
sounds the same....
costs $140 more than the original.......
next question.............
i think there's more to it if you check out the remastered versions of alive, black and once on rearviewmirror. state of love and trust also has some difference to it.
Remastering is done to bring the music into modern formats. The same mastering that works for records, doesn't work on cd's.
It will sound the same, but that's what it is designed to do. There are alotta albums that have benefited from a remaster, especially when formats change.
Agreed.
Keep in mind Ten was originally released in CD format. We aren't talking about digging up old analog tapes from the 60's made exclusively for vinyl records and compressing them into digital versions. Those tend to be the albums that benefit most from a remaster, IMO.
I still doubt a remastered version TEN will sound different, but it is a necessary step to allow O'Brien to remix. Both versions will apparently be included in the reissue. So I imagine the O'Brien remix will have some significant changes, or else everyone will complain that both disks sound the exact same and the O'Brien mix was pointless.
people love to bitch more than anything on here. brings this place down.
Just a thought. I haven't heard any of the "Remastered" tracks from the new Ten record. Is there a differece in the new Ten or does it sound just like the old Ten?
Thanks
Dave
sounds the same....
costs $140 more than the original.......
next question.............
i think there's more to it if you check out the remastered versions of alive, black and once on rearviewmirror. state of love and trust also has some difference to it.
That SOLAT version is probably a bonus track, but not remastered. It sounds like Krusen is playing. Definitely not Abbruzzese.
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Oceans sounds very different to me. Eddie is turned up significantly. These songs are so ingrained in my brain that any little change sounds bad to me, but Oceans in particular.
Just a thought. I haven't heard any of the "Remastered" tracks from the new Ten record. Is there a differece in the new Ten or does it sound just like the old Ten?
Thanks
Dave
sounds the same....
costs $140 more than the original.......
next question.............
i think there's more to it if you check out the remastered versions of alive, black and once on rearviewmirror. state of love and trust also has some difference to it.
Those tracks were remixed, not just remastered. That's why they're so different. I also don't anticipate the remastered Ten sounding all that different... it's not THAT old. But then again, The first two Black Crowes albums did sound a lot better after their remastering.
once, alive and black from the rvm album sound tighter, very focused, without that big echo, especialy on the vocals.
i looked into the bookled where it says that those tree songs were re-mixed by o'brien. they were not re-mastered.
so the re-mastered ten will sound the same only louder? with that echo? no no... i think that we'll get a remixed+remastered album on one disc.
the remixed cd that you talk about in my opininon will have alternate takes of the songs that didn't end as the final versions on the album. i read somewhere that the remixed alive solo is longer than the original one that we all know. maybe we'll hear all the songs in different versions. can't wait for the day.
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I remember years ago, like 94 or 95 maybe, Metallica had their catalog remastered. Lars basically said in the fan club magazine that it is BS and told people not to go out and rebuy the cd's....the are almost exactly the same. It was something the record company wanted to do.
I remember years ago, like 94 or 95 maybe, Metallica had their catalog remastered. Lars basically said in the fan club magazine that it is BS and told people not to go out and rebuy the cd's....the are almost exactly the same. It was something the record company wanted to do.
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LOL. That always reminds me of that Saved By The Bell episode...
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once, alive and black from the rvm album sound tighter, very focused, without that big echo, especialy on the vocals.
i looked into the bookled where it says that those tree songs were re-mixed by o'brien. they were not re-mastered.
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by definition, if they were re-mixed, they were re-mastered..... mastering is something that is done to the stereo finished tracks.... if they re-mixed 'em, they were re-mastered. trust me!
once, alive and black from the rvm album sound tighter, very focused, without that big echo, especialy on the vocals.
i looked into the bookled where it says that those tree songs were re-mixed by o'brien. they were not re-mastered.
so the re-mastered ten will sound the same only louder? with that echo? no no... i think that we'll get a remixed+remastered album on one disc.
the remixed cd that you talk about in my opininon will have alternate takes of the songs that didn't end as the final versions on the album. i read somewhere that the remixed alive solo is longer than the original one that we all know. maybe we'll hear all the songs in different versions. can't wait for the day.
Did you read the press release? It's very clear what the band is doing... one disc is remastered and will sound essentially the same as the old one only maybe louder and slightly more clear. The other disc will be remixed along the lines of the versions on RVM so that they sound more raw and more like the recording style they wanted and have used ever since.
once, alive and black from the rvm album sound tighter, very focused, without that big echo, especialy on the vocals.
i looked into the bookled where it says that those tree songs were re-mixed by o'brien. they were not re-mastered.
so the re-mastered ten will sound the same only louder? with that echo? no no... i think that we'll get a remixed+remastered album on one disc.
the remixed cd that you talk about in my opininon will have alternate takes of the songs that didn't end as the final versions on the album. i read somewhere that the remixed alive solo is longer than the original one that we all know. maybe we'll hear all the songs in different versions. can't wait for the day.
That first sentence sums up what they are gonna do to the entire album for the remixed version.
The remastered version is the same version we all know and love with very subtle differences.
I dunno where you got the idea that they were gonna be using alternate takes and stuff? I could see them maybe using a few overdubs that went to the cutting room floor, but 99% of the instrumentation we are gonna hear, is what is on the original album.
The cake will be the same, but the frosting will be different.
once, alive and black from the rvm album sound tighter, very focused, without that big echo, especialy on the vocals.
i looked into the bookled where it says that those tree songs were re-mixed by o'brien. they were not re-mastered.
so the re-mastered ten will sound the same only louder? with that echo? no no... i think that we'll get a remixed+remastered album on one disc.
the remixed cd that you talk about in my opininon will have alternate takes of the songs that didn't end as the final versions on the album. i read somewhere that the remixed alive solo is longer than the original one that we all know. maybe we'll hear all the songs in different versions. can't wait for the day.
That first sentence sums up what they are gonna do to the entire album for the remixed version.
The remastered version is the same version we all know and love with very subtle differences.
I dunno where you got the idea that they were gonna be using alternate takes and stuff? I could see them maybe using a few overdubs that went to the cutting room floor, but 99% of the instrumentation we are gonna hear, is what is on the original album.
The cake will be the same, but the frosting will be different.
the verison of Alive that was released through verison has a completely different solo.
"Well, I think this band is incapable of sucking."
-my dad after hearing Not for You for the first time on SNL .
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costs $140 more than the original.......
next question.............
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
Remastered isn't a marketing ploy. It's to keep the sound of the album as close to original, while readying it for more current equipment.
Remixed, will sound quite a bit different.
The remastered Ten will sound the same. They are probably just compressing the old analog master into a new "remastered" digital version. I could be wrong, but I highly doubt there will be "any real difference" in the sound quality.
Remastering is basically a marketing ploy, remixing is a different animal all together.
-my dad after hearing Not for You for the first time on SNL .
Remastering is done to bring the music into modern formats. The same mastering that works for records, doesn't work on cd's.
It will sound the same, but that's what it is designed to do. There are alotta albums that have benefited from a remaster, especially when formats change.
*NYC 9/28/96 *NYC 9/29/96 *NJ 9/8/98 (front row "may i play drums with you")
*MSG 9/10/98 (backstage) *MSG 9/11/98 (backstage)
*Jones Beach 8/23/00 *Jones Beach 8/24/00 *Jones Beach 8/25/00
*Mansfield 8/29/00 *Mansfield 8/30/00 *Nassau 4/30/03 *Nissan VA 7/1/03
*Borgata 10/1/05 *Camden 5/27/06 *Camden 5/28/06 *DC 5/30/06
*VA Beach 6/17/08 *DC 6/22/08 *MSG 6/24/08 (backstage) *MSG 6/25/08
*EV DC 8/17/08 *EV Baltimore 6/15/09 *Philly 10/31/09
*Bristow VA 5/13/10 *MSG 5/20/10 *MSG 5/21/10
That's most likely the remixed.
Keep in mind Ten was originally released in CD format. We aren't talking about digging up old analog tapes from the 60's made exclusively for vinyl records and compressing them into digital versions. Those tend to be the albums that benefit most from a remaster, IMO.
I still doubt a remastered version TEN will sound different, but it is a necessary step to allow O'Brien to remix. Both versions will apparently be included in the reissue. So I imagine the O'Brien remix will have some significant changes, or else everyone will complain that both disks sound the exact same and the O'Brien mix was pointless.
i think there's more to it if you check out the remastered versions of alive, black and once on rearviewmirror. state of love and trust also has some difference to it.
people love to bitch more than anything on here. brings this place down.
That SOLAT version is probably a bonus track, but not remastered. It sounds like Krusen is playing. Definitely not Abbruzzese.
*NYC 9/28/96 *NYC 9/29/96 *NJ 9/8/98 (front row "may i play drums with you")
*MSG 9/10/98 (backstage) *MSG 9/11/98 (backstage)
*Jones Beach 8/23/00 *Jones Beach 8/24/00 *Jones Beach 8/25/00
*Mansfield 8/29/00 *Mansfield 8/30/00 *Nassau 4/30/03 *Nissan VA 7/1/03
*Borgata 10/1/05 *Camden 5/27/06 *Camden 5/28/06 *DC 5/30/06
*VA Beach 6/17/08 *DC 6/22/08 *MSG 6/24/08 (backstage) *MSG 6/25/08
*EV DC 8/17/08 *EV Baltimore 6/15/09 *Philly 10/31/09
*Bristow VA 5/13/10 *MSG 5/20/10 *MSG 5/21/10
Those tracks were remixed, not just remastered. That's why they're so different. I also don't anticipate the remastered Ten sounding all that different... it's not THAT old. But then again, The first two Black Crowes albums did sound a lot better after their remastering.
i looked into the bookled where it says that those tree songs were re-mixed by o'brien. they were not re-mastered.
so the re-mastered ten will sound the same only louder? with that echo? no no... i think that we'll get a remixed+remastered album on one disc.
the remixed cd that you talk about in my opininon will have alternate takes of the songs that didn't end as the final versions on the album. i read somewhere that the remixed alive solo is longer than the original one that we all know. maybe we'll hear all the songs in different versions. can't wait for the day.
2006 Vienna, Zagreb
2007 Munich
2009 Berlin
2010 Dublin, Belfast, Berlin, Venice
2011 Montreal, Toronto 1&2
2012 Manchester 1&2, Amsterdam 1&2, Prague, Berlin 1&2, EV Manchester
2013 Worcester 1&2, Brooklyn 1&2
2014 Amsterdam 1&2, Manchester 1&2, Milano, Trieste, Vienna, Berlin
2017 EV Firenze, Taormina 1&2
2018 Amsterdam 1&2, Padova, Prague, Krakow, Berlin
2019 EV Firenze
The more you know.
by definition, if they were re-mixed, they were re-mastered..... mastering is something that is done to the stereo finished tracks.... if they re-mixed 'em, they were re-mastered. trust me!
Did you read the press release? It's very clear what the band is doing... one disc is remastered and will sound essentially the same as the old one only maybe louder and slightly more clear. The other disc will be remixed along the lines of the versions on RVM so that they sound more raw and more like the recording style they wanted and have used ever since.
That first sentence sums up what they are gonna do to the entire album for the remixed version.
The remastered version is the same version we all know and love with very subtle differences.
I dunno where you got the idea that they were gonna be using alternate takes and stuff? I could see them maybe using a few overdubs that went to the cutting room floor, but 99% of the instrumentation we are gonna hear, is what is on the original album.
The cake will be the same, but the frosting will be different.
the verison of Alive that was released through verison has a completely different solo.
-my dad after hearing Not for You for the first time on SNL .