Wouldn't it be great if every few years we were reassigned member numbers based on how many people didn't renew their membership so we would know exactly where we stood in membership seniority?
it makes no difference. It's better to just keep it consistent. They'd probably have to hire someone just to keep track of everyone's changing member numbers. It would be nice to know how many current members there are, then just apply that against the member numbers, but I'm not for constantly changing a member number. I can just pick up an old newsletter if I need my member number.
ADD 5,200 to the post count you see, thank you.
*NYC 9/28/96 *NYC 9/29/96 *NJ 9/8/98 (front row "may i play drums with you")
*MSG 9/10/98 (backstage) *MSG 9/11/98 (backstage)
*Jones Beach 8/23/00 *Jones Beach 8/24/00 *Jones Beach 8/25/00
*Mansfield 8/29/00 *Mansfield 8/30/00 *Nassau 4/30/03 *Nissan VA 7/1/03
*Borgata 10/1/05 *Camden 5/27/06 *Camden 5/28/06 *DC 5/30/06
*VA Beach 6/17/08 *DC 6/22/08 *MSG 6/24/08 (backstage) *MSG 6/25/08
*EV DC 8/17/08 *EV Baltimore 6/15/09 *Philly 10/31/09
*Bristow VA 5/13/10 *MSG 5/20/10 *MSG 5/21/10
That would be a logistical nightmare. A good rule of thumb is your tickets will be a little closer to the stage than they were last tour.
except for the lottery. you'll be further because of the four rows which push everyone back, unless you win the lottery.
Presuming the lottery makes a comeback the next tour....
ahh... true. That was actually a cool idea, even though it bumped me from 2nd row to 4th row in VA Beach. Only problem is that tons of people in the front two rows keep looking back at their friends, and it's distracting during a whole show, seeing someone look over your shoulder.
ADD 5,200 to the post count you see, thank you.
*NYC 9/28/96 *NYC 9/29/96 *NJ 9/8/98 (front row "may i play drums with you")
*MSG 9/10/98 (backstage) *MSG 9/11/98 (backstage)
*Jones Beach 8/23/00 *Jones Beach 8/24/00 *Jones Beach 8/25/00
*Mansfield 8/29/00 *Mansfield 8/30/00 *Nassau 4/30/03 *Nissan VA 7/1/03
*Borgata 10/1/05 *Camden 5/27/06 *Camden 5/28/06 *DC 5/30/06
*VA Beach 6/17/08 *DC 6/22/08 *MSG 6/24/08 (backstage) *MSG 6/25/08
*EV DC 8/17/08 *EV Baltimore 6/15/09 *Philly 10/31/09
*Bristow VA 5/13/10 *MSG 5/20/10 *MSG 5/21/10
That would be a logistical nightmare. A good rule of thumb is your tickets will be a little closer to the stage than they were last tour.
except for the lottery. you'll be further because of the four rows which push everyone back, unless you win the lottery.
That may have been the case for people who were used to a certain seating area in 2006 and then had worse seats in 2008 because of the lottery -- though I doubt it; I bet at least four rows worth of people drop out of the club from year to year in a given city.
It wouldn't be now.
"They said ... timing was everything
made him ... want to be everywhere
there's a ... lot to be said for nowhere."
That would be a logistical nightmare. A good rule of thumb is your tickets will be a little closer to the stage than they were last tour.
except for the lottery. you'll be further because of the four rows which push everyone back, unless you win the lottery.
or if you "Grand Rapids'd"----isn't that where the #'s seniority was reversed
I don't know if it was reversed, but seniority was completely done away with and the seats were given out at random I think. I don't think it's a coincidence that it was also widely considered the most intense and electrifying performance of that tour. Speaking as someone with a pretty good number (187XXX) I'd be happy to do away with seniority. I'm tired of looking at the backs of the same people's heads as they stand like statues in the front rows because this is their 400th show and 19th straight of this tour and they, no matter how much they claim otherwise, spend more time comparing it to their past shows and fav bootlegs and dreaming of encore rarities than they do rocking out.
seems like the times i had 1st row or 2nd row that most the people around me were pretty fuckin excited. the first time i got front row was for a hometown show in st.louis back in 2000. i was next to some pretty annoying ladies that kept calling jeff, matt.
Meh. I've been blessed with good seniority tickets, and I saw zero difference between the way the lottery winners acted up front last tour than the people did in past years.
What's great about the seniority system is it almost completely eliminates scalping. Do you know how much cash people could fetch for first-five-row MSG tickets if they weren't worried about losing their membership?
Also, if you got rid of seniority, every scalper in America would join the 10-C and have as good a shot as anyone at great tickets.
"They said ... timing was everything
made him ... want to be everywhere
there's a ... lot to be said for nowhere."
Meh. I've been blessed with good seniority tickets, and I saw zero difference between the way the lottery winners acted up front last tour than the people did in past years.
What's great about the seniority system is it almost completely eliminates scalping. Do you know how much cash people could fetch for first-five-row MSG tickets if they weren't worried about losing their membership?
Also, if you got rid of seniority, every scalper in America would join the 10-C and have as good a shot as anyone at great tickets.
You really think it's worth every scalper in America dropping $25 to MAYBE get closer tickets to a show that won't sell out? I'm not so sure.
I'm just tired of the band ranking and stratifying their fans. I'm tired of every dvd having the same 10 people front and center at every show, leaning on the rail with smug expressions. Even the band has commented about it being kind of strange for them and wanting to see new faces up front.
Meh. I've been blessed with good seniority tickets, and I saw zero difference between the way the lottery winners acted up front last tour than the people did in past years.
What's great about the seniority system is it almost completely eliminates scalping. Do you know how much cash people could fetch for first-five-row MSG tickets if they weren't worried about losing their membership?
Also, if you got rid of seniority, every scalper in America would join the 10-C and have as good a shot as anyone at great tickets.
You really think it's worth every scalper in America dropping $25 to MAYBE get closer tickets to a show that won't sell out? I'm not so sure.
I'm just tired of the band ranking and stratifying their fans. I'm tired of every dvd having the same 10 people front and center at every show, leaning on the rail with smug expressions. Even the band has commented about it being kind of strange for them and wanting to see new faces up front.
Your last point has already been rectified -- there are different people on the rail and up front every night.
I may have exaggerated the scalper thing -- although 10C seats are almost always better than Ticketmaster's, and give you not one but two chances to get tix if you're a scalper -- but the point stands. A good amount of scalpers would join the 10-Club if it did away with seniority, and "real fans" who pulled great seats would be tempted to flip them for big bucks, with no meaningful repercussions.
Also, I take issue with the way you and others are characterizing the seniority people, who are almost without exception awesome fans in my experience. If there were no seniority I have a strong suspicion people would then whine about the frat/DMB douches and John Mayer groupies up front.
"They said ... timing was everything
made him ... want to be everywhere
there's a ... lot to be said for nowhere."
ahh... true. That was actually a cool idea, even though it bumped me from 2nd row to 4th row in VA Beach. Only problem is that tons of people in the front two rows keep looking back at their friends, and it's distracting during a whole show, seeing someone look over your shoulder.
Some of us still need a way to get to the front. And believe me, if I was in the front, I wouldn't be turning around once.
Your last point has already been rectified -- there are different people on the rail and up front every night.
I may have exaggerated the scalper thing -- although 10C seats are almost always better than Ticketmaster's, and give you not one but two chances to get tix if you're a scalper -- but the point stands. A good amount of scalpers would join the 10-Club if it did away with seniority, and "real fans" who pulled great seats would be tempted to flip them for big bucks, with no meaningful repercussions.
Also, I take issue with the way you and others are characterizing the seniority people, who are almost without exception awesome fans in my experience. If there were no seniority I have a strong suspicion people would then whine about the frat/DMB douches and John Mayer groupies up front.
I'm not saying they're not great fans. I'm saying they're boring Many are more concerned with making sure they get the newest poster and hoping to hear a rare song so they can brag about it later than they are with feeling the vibe as the whole arena erupts into a singalong for alive or bounces off the floor during even flow. You see the crowd at the Mexico and Italy shows... everyone jumping and dancing and singing. Then you look at a clip of an American show and it's 10 rows of a geriatric ward standing with arms crossed thinking "oh my god, mike just totally missed that note... I guess this version won't beat the one from Hamilton Beach in 94!"
I'm not a kid anymore myself and I'm content to stand and bob my head, but I'm perfectly happy to do it from the side if it means the whole floor is rocking with the kind of energy the band feeds off.
I'm all for GA too. I'd be chilling at the back and watching everyone go nuts in front. That'd be a blast.
That would be a logistical nightmare. A good rule of thumb is your tickets will be a little closer to the stage than they were last tour.
except for the lottery. you'll be further because of the four rows which push everyone back, unless you win the lottery.
or if you "Grand Rapids'd"----isn't that where the #'s seniority was reversed
Grand Rapids' 10C ticket distribution was no accident,...sorry, but this isn't meant as a slap in the face of any and all 10C members that got bumped that evening. 10C ticket distribution started with fanclub number 130,000 in the front row on the floor, and worked its' way back,...
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To quote the 10C from Newsletter #8: "Please understand we have a lot of members and it is very hard to please everybody. If you are one of those unhappy people...please call 1-900-IDN-TCAR."
"Me knowing the truth, I can not concur."
1996: Toronto - 1998: Chicago, Montreal, Barrie - 2000: Montreal, Toronto - 2002: Seattle X2 (Key Arena) - 2003: Cleveland, Buffalo, Toronto, Montreal, Seattle (Benaroya Hall) - 2004: Reading, Toledo, Grand Rapids - 2005: Kitchener, London, Hamilton, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto, Quebec City - 2006: Toronto X2, Albany, Hartford, Grand Rapids, Cleveland - 2007: Chicago (Vic Theatre) - 2008: NYC X2, Hartford, Mansfield X2 - 2009: Toronto, Chicago X2, Seattle X2, Philadelphia X4 - 2010: Columbus, Noblesville, Cleveland, Buffalo, Hartford - 2011: Montreal, Toronto X2, Ottawa, Hamilton - 2012: Missoula - 2013: London, Chicago, Buffalo, Hartford - 2014: Detroit, Moline - 2015: NYC (Global Citizen Festival) - 2016: Greenville, Toronto X2, Chicago 1 - 2017: Brooklyn (RRHOF Induction) - 2018: Chicago 1, Boston 1 - 2022: Fresno, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto, NYC, Camden - 2023: St. Paul X2, Austin X2 - 2024: Vancouver X2, Portland, Sacramento, Missoula, Noblesville, Philadelphia X2, Baltimore - 2025: Hollywood X2, Nashville X2, Pittsburgh X2
Wouldn't it be great if every few years we were reassigned member numbers based on how many people didn't renew their membership so we would know exactly where we stood in membership seniority?
there's really no need to start messing around with the 10C fanclub number system, seeing as how when fanclub numbers expire they're simply retired and not recycled,...
To quote the 10C from Newsletter #8: "Please understand we have a lot of members and it is very hard to please everybody. If you are one of those unhappy people...please call 1-900-IDN-TCAR."
"Me knowing the truth, I can not concur."
1996: Toronto - 1998: Chicago, Montreal, Barrie - 2000: Montreal, Toronto - 2002: Seattle X2 (Key Arena) - 2003: Cleveland, Buffalo, Toronto, Montreal, Seattle (Benaroya Hall) - 2004: Reading, Toledo, Grand Rapids - 2005: Kitchener, London, Hamilton, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto, Quebec City - 2006: Toronto X2, Albany, Hartford, Grand Rapids, Cleveland - 2007: Chicago (Vic Theatre) - 2008: NYC X2, Hartford, Mansfield X2 - 2009: Toronto, Chicago X2, Seattle X2, Philadelphia X4 - 2010: Columbus, Noblesville, Cleveland, Buffalo, Hartford - 2011: Montreal, Toronto X2, Ottawa, Hamilton - 2012: Missoula - 2013: London, Chicago, Buffalo, Hartford - 2014: Detroit, Moline - 2015: NYC (Global Citizen Festival) - 2016: Greenville, Toronto X2, Chicago 1 - 2017: Brooklyn (RRHOF Induction) - 2018: Chicago 1, Boston 1 - 2022: Fresno, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto, NYC, Camden - 2023: St. Paul X2, Austin X2 - 2024: Vancouver X2, Portland, Sacramento, Missoula, Noblesville, Philadelphia X2, Baltimore - 2025: Hollywood X2, Nashville X2, Pittsburgh X2
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...but that's cause my # is 415XXX I'll never be up there, so I like to pretend those numbers don't matter.
05-10-06
08-05-07
06-14-08
08-12-08 (EV)
*NYC 9/28/96 *NYC 9/29/96 *NJ 9/8/98 (front row "may i play drums with you")
*MSG 9/10/98 (backstage) *MSG 9/11/98 (backstage)
*Jones Beach 8/23/00 *Jones Beach 8/24/00 *Jones Beach 8/25/00
*Mansfield 8/29/00 *Mansfield 8/30/00 *Nassau 4/30/03 *Nissan VA 7/1/03
*Borgata 10/1/05 *Camden 5/27/06 *Camden 5/28/06 *DC 5/30/06
*VA Beach 6/17/08 *DC 6/22/08 *MSG 6/24/08 (backstage) *MSG 6/25/08
*EV DC 8/17/08 *EV Baltimore 6/15/09 *Philly 10/31/09
*Bristow VA 5/13/10 *MSG 5/20/10 *MSG 5/21/10
made him ... want to be everywhere
there's a ... lot to be said for nowhere."
except for the lottery. you'll be further because of the four rows which push everyone back, unless you win the lottery.
*NYC 9/28/96 *NYC 9/29/96 *NJ 9/8/98 (front row "may i play drums with you")
*MSG 9/10/98 (backstage) *MSG 9/11/98 (backstage)
*Jones Beach 8/23/00 *Jones Beach 8/24/00 *Jones Beach 8/25/00
*Mansfield 8/29/00 *Mansfield 8/30/00 *Nassau 4/30/03 *Nissan VA 7/1/03
*Borgata 10/1/05 *Camden 5/27/06 *Camden 5/28/06 *DC 5/30/06
*VA Beach 6/17/08 *DC 6/22/08 *MSG 6/24/08 (backstage) *MSG 6/25/08
*EV DC 8/17/08 *EV Baltimore 6/15/09 *Philly 10/31/09
*Bristow VA 5/13/10 *MSG 5/20/10 *MSG 5/21/10
Presuming the lottery makes a comeback the next tour....
ahh... true. That was actually a cool idea, even though it bumped me from 2nd row to 4th row in VA Beach. Only problem is that tons of people in the front two rows keep looking back at their friends, and it's distracting during a whole show, seeing someone look over your shoulder.
*NYC 9/28/96 *NYC 9/29/96 *NJ 9/8/98 (front row "may i play drums with you")
*MSG 9/10/98 (backstage) *MSG 9/11/98 (backstage)
*Jones Beach 8/23/00 *Jones Beach 8/24/00 *Jones Beach 8/25/00
*Mansfield 8/29/00 *Mansfield 8/30/00 *Nassau 4/30/03 *Nissan VA 7/1/03
*Borgata 10/1/05 *Camden 5/27/06 *Camden 5/28/06 *DC 5/30/06
*VA Beach 6/17/08 *DC 6/22/08 *MSG 6/24/08 (backstage) *MSG 6/25/08
*EV DC 8/17/08 *EV Baltimore 6/15/09 *Philly 10/31/09
*Bristow VA 5/13/10 *MSG 5/20/10 *MSG 5/21/10
or if you "Grand Rapids'd"----isn't that where the #'s seniority was reversed
Where I'm not ugly and you're lookin' at me
That may have been the case for people who were used to a certain seating area in 2006 and then had worse seats in 2008 because of the lottery -- though I doubt it; I bet at least four rows worth of people drop out of the club from year to year in a given city.
It wouldn't be now.
made him ... want to be everywhere
there's a ... lot to be said for nowhere."
I don't know if it was reversed, but seniority was completely done away with and the seats were given out at random I think. I don't think it's a coincidence that it was also widely considered the most intense and electrifying performance of that tour. Speaking as someone with a pretty good number (187XXX) I'd be happy to do away with seniority. I'm tired of looking at the backs of the same people's heads as they stand like statues in the front rows because this is their 400th show and 19th straight of this tour and they, no matter how much they claim otherwise, spend more time comparing it to their past shows and fav bootlegs and dreaming of encore rarities than they do rocking out.
What's great about the seniority system is it almost completely eliminates scalping. Do you know how much cash people could fetch for first-five-row MSG tickets if they weren't worried about losing their membership?
Also, if you got rid of seniority, every scalper in America would join the 10-C and have as good a shot as anyone at great tickets.
made him ... want to be everywhere
there's a ... lot to be said for nowhere."
You really think it's worth every scalper in America dropping $25 to MAYBE get closer tickets to a show that won't sell out? I'm not so sure.
I'm just tired of the band ranking and stratifying their fans. I'm tired of every dvd having the same 10 people front and center at every show, leaning on the rail with smug expressions. Even the band has commented about it being kind of strange for them and wanting to see new faces up front.
Your last point has already been rectified -- there are different people on the rail and up front every night.
I may have exaggerated the scalper thing -- although 10C seats are almost always better than Ticketmaster's, and give you not one but two chances to get tix if you're a scalper -- but the point stands. A good amount of scalpers would join the 10-Club if it did away with seniority, and "real fans" who pulled great seats would be tempted to flip them for big bucks, with no meaningful repercussions.
Also, I take issue with the way you and others are characterizing the seniority people, who are almost without exception awesome fans in my experience. If there were no seniority I have a strong suspicion people would then whine about the frat/DMB douches and John Mayer groupies up front.
made him ... want to be everywhere
there's a ... lot to be said for nowhere."
Some of us still need a way to get to the front.
and i have a bad number, so that is why i like GA, line up all day
I wave to all my Friends... Yeah!
I'm not saying they're not great fans. I'm saying they're boring
I'm not a kid anymore myself and I'm content to stand and bob my head, but I'm perfectly happy to do it from the side if it means the whole floor is rocking with the kind of energy the band feeds off.
I'm all for GA too. I'd be chilling at the back and watching everyone go nuts in front. That'd be a blast.
Grand Rapids' 10C ticket distribution was no accident,...sorry, but this isn't meant as a slap in the face of any and all 10C members that got bumped that evening. 10C ticket distribution started with fanclub number 130,000 in the front row on the floor, and worked its' way back,...
"Me knowing the truth, I can not concur."
1996: Toronto - 1998: Chicago, Montreal, Barrie - 2000: Montreal, Toronto - 2002: Seattle X2 (Key Arena) - 2003: Cleveland, Buffalo, Toronto, Montreal, Seattle (Benaroya Hall) - 2004: Reading, Toledo, Grand Rapids - 2005: Kitchener, London, Hamilton, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto, Quebec City - 2006: Toronto X2, Albany, Hartford, Grand Rapids, Cleveland - 2007: Chicago (Vic Theatre) - 2008: NYC X2, Hartford, Mansfield X2 - 2009: Toronto, Chicago X2, Seattle X2, Philadelphia X4 - 2010: Columbus, Noblesville, Cleveland, Buffalo, Hartford - 2011: Montreal, Toronto X2, Ottawa, Hamilton - 2012: Missoula - 2013: London, Chicago, Buffalo, Hartford - 2014: Detroit, Moline - 2015: NYC (Global Citizen Festival) - 2016: Greenville, Toronto X2, Chicago 1 - 2017: Brooklyn (RRHOF Induction) - 2018: Chicago 1, Boston 1 - 2022: Fresno, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto, NYC, Camden - 2023: St. Paul X2, Austin X2 - 2024: Vancouver X2, Portland, Sacramento, Missoula, Noblesville, Philadelphia X2, Baltimore - 2025: Hollywood X2, Nashville X2, Pittsburgh X2
there's really no need to start messing around with the 10C fanclub number system, seeing as how when fanclub numbers expire they're simply retired and not recycled,...
"Me knowing the truth, I can not concur."
1996: Toronto - 1998: Chicago, Montreal, Barrie - 2000: Montreal, Toronto - 2002: Seattle X2 (Key Arena) - 2003: Cleveland, Buffalo, Toronto, Montreal, Seattle (Benaroya Hall) - 2004: Reading, Toledo, Grand Rapids - 2005: Kitchener, London, Hamilton, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto, Quebec City - 2006: Toronto X2, Albany, Hartford, Grand Rapids, Cleveland - 2007: Chicago (Vic Theatre) - 2008: NYC X2, Hartford, Mansfield X2 - 2009: Toronto, Chicago X2, Seattle X2, Philadelphia X4 - 2010: Columbus, Noblesville, Cleveland, Buffalo, Hartford - 2011: Montreal, Toronto X2, Ottawa, Hamilton - 2012: Missoula - 2013: London, Chicago, Buffalo, Hartford - 2014: Detroit, Moline - 2015: NYC (Global Citizen Festival) - 2016: Greenville, Toronto X2, Chicago 1 - 2017: Brooklyn (RRHOF Induction) - 2018: Chicago 1, Boston 1 - 2022: Fresno, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto, NYC, Camden - 2023: St. Paul X2, Austin X2 - 2024: Vancouver X2, Portland, Sacramento, Missoula, Noblesville, Philadelphia X2, Baltimore - 2025: Hollywood X2, Nashville X2, Pittsburgh X2