No more limited editions

fernando geraldi

Hi friends.

I´d like to express my opinion about limited editions. It´s first time that Pearl Jam is selling something without limited edition. That´s better for us fans around the world, probably a lot of fans cannot stay tunned on the site to buy some rare pieces of the band. Think about.... imagine if the deluxe edition were limited.... on ebay it probably would cost more than 1.000 US dollars. Into The Wild has been sold for more than 200 dolars... it´s absurd...stupid thing.
The band use to worry about price of tickets.... and why don´t worry about of price of the vinyl albums?????
Lost Dogs vinyl in the past....was being sold for 20 bucks... now coust more than 100 bucks on auctions... No Code is impossible to buy... very rare.
If the records companies don´t worry about the customers...the band can...and should think about. The band is awesome.... there´s no any band equal Pearl Jam around the world... for everything that band is involved and mainly good songs.
If there´s troubles about mp3 downloads , vinyl is the solution for it, memberships from Ten Club are insanes for this product. If so, the others album could be available to buy again.

Best wishes.

Vedderman23

Limited edition items give the more rabid PJ "collector" something to look forward to and be interested in. Does it suck that not everyone can have one of something? Maybe, but there are always other ways to enjoy the same thing, so you are not Totally being shut out on an item. (ex. Benny vinyl and CD releases)

I'm all for the limited edition stuff. :ugeek:

arq

I like a lot limited editions but only CDs and the recent re-release of ten aren't limited editions leaving 80% of PJ stuff as limited editions even hodies and shirts are limited editions! posters are another thing just because it's a one day event thing but vinyls should be different.

Mrs_Vedder78

Vedderman23 wrote:

Limited edition items give the more rabid PJ "collector" something to look forward to and be interested in. Does it suck that not everyone can have one of something? Maybe, but there are always other ways to enjoy the same thing, so you are not Totally being shut out on an item. (ex. Benny vinyl and CD releases)

I'm all for the limited edition stuff. :ugeek:

i have to agree with this.. I too look forward to releases of limited stuff, makes it special :ugeek:

As far as the OP's comment on the vinyls, I don't think we can really have an opinion on how many LPs get pressed and how often unless we know the logics behind it.
We don't know what kind of contract they have with the record company, we don't know whether they have a minimum press # or maximum for that matter, we don't know what the costs are for that, etc

Zod

I'm not sure the pearl jam vinyl's were ever intended to be limited edition. I always figured the record company company didn't think it was profititable to do a 2nd pressing. Thats why copies of 10 and Vs. are easily found, but the latter ones aren't.

Its just that over the years PJ fans snapped them all up and they became scarce. I never really considered any of them but benaroya to be a limited edition, because at the time they were pressed there were plenty to go around. It took a few years for them to become hard to find.

jhulud

When it comes to vinyl...they're not "limited edition" per se. A certain number get pressed...let's say 50,000 for example...and then that's it. The record company may choose not to press the record again due to poor vinyl sales (not really applicable today since vinyl has been making a huge comeback) and hence that said record goes out of print.

Being out ot print is what makes it jump in value in the secondary market. If the band in question has a sizeable following like Pearl Jam does, then the records will be snapped up and thus harder to attain by anyone who is looking for them now. It will cost you to try and complete that collection.

Some titles do get repressed at time because it may be more affordable to do so. "Ten" is a single LP and cheaper to repress than say, "Lost Dogs" being that it's a double-LP and more expensive packaging. Plus the labels have to look at the potential to sell more copies of that repress.

"Limited Editions" are not put out with the goal to screw over certain fans that can't afford it. It all comes down to the money the band or label have available for that particular product and how many they can have made. It may be pricey at the onset when it comes out, but the band and label have to recoup their costs don't they?

These are my two cents after 20 years of record listening & collecting and helping friends out w/ their record labels.

Mrs_Vedder78

jhulud wrote:

When it comes to vinyl...they're not "limited edition" per se. A certain number get pressed...let's say 50,000 for example...and then that's it. The record company may choose not to press the record again due to poor vinyl sales (not really applicable today since vinyl has been making a huge comeback) and hence that said record goes out of print.

Being out ot print is what makes it jump in value in the secondary market. If the band in question has a sizeable following like Pearl Jam does, then the records will be snapped up and thus harder to attain by anyone who is looking for them now. It will cost you to try and complete that collection.

Some titles do get repressed at time because it may be more affordable to do so. "Ten" is a single LP and cheaper to repress than say, "Lost Dogs" being that it's a double-LP and more expensive packaging. Plus the labels have to look at the potential to sell more copies of that repress.

"Limited Editions" are not put out with the goal to screw over certain fans that can't afford it. It all comes down to the money the band or label have available for that particular product and how many they can have made. It may be pricey at the onset when it comes out, but the band and label have to recoup their costs don't they?

These are my two cents after 20 years of record listening & collecting and helping friends out w/ their record labels.

What a wonderful explanation! Thanks

pearljgirl2010

I really like the idea of something that is special or rare, that not everyone has. especially if it has meaning to the buyer--for me, my Owl hoodie from the 06 tour...if I had any idea how much I was going to love and wear that thing, I would have bought 3 of them. That tour was so special to me--I made some incredible friends and have the best memories. When I wear the hoodie, I remember all of that. I like that i have a really cool piece of memorabilia from that tour that is unique.

Mrs_Vedder78

pearljgirl2010 wrote:

I really like the idea of something that is special or rare, that not everyone has. especially if it has meaning to the buyer--for me, my Owl hoodie from the 06 tour...if I had any idea how much I was going to love and wear that thing, I would have bought 3 of them. That tour was so special to me--I made some incredible friends and have the best memories. When I wear the hoodie, I remember all of that. I like that i have a really cool piece of memorabilia from that tour that is unique.

3!?!? You must really wear it a lot huh?
i wear mine pretty often but haven't needed to replaced it at least not yet lol

einatshaul

How 'bout a band member then, eh?

Those are def. limited as they come, wonder how much an original Stone Gossard will go for, and how much will they flip him for on Ebay...

justam

I'm glad they aren't limited too. I don't always have the money to buy these things right away. If they're limited I'm out of luck when they appear at the wrong time. If they aren't limited, then I can buy 'em when I want to. That's better.

corduroy10

About why the vinyl is rare, I believe a lot of the above posts are correct. We have to remember that the really sought after vinyls, No Code/Yield/Binaural were release at a time when there was very little market interest in vinyl records. We should also consider that none of those albums sold nearly as well as the first three records. When they were originally produced, the record company probably gauged a number that they though would sell, and only produced that relatively small amount so they wouldn't take a big loss. The fact that they were offered at all on vinyl during that period was probably due to the band's wishes.

I also remember that Riot Act and Lost Dogs were both available through the 10C website for a long time before they finally went out of print.

The interest in vinyl is expanding greatly now, but unfortunately for Pearl jam fans, for records that were not very popular on the format when they were originally released.

I could be wrong, but I believe the band hasn't lost sight of this, and that part of the strategy of this "re-release" campaign is to to offer fans a chance to buy 2nd printing versions of the albums over the next few years. I also think that when the new album comes out in 2009, there will be plenty of vinyl copies available.

Pegasus

I'm certainly looking forward to Vinyl re-release of later albums so I can finally get my hands on No Code and Binaural (wished I had known earlier, would have saved me money on the others..oh well, a 2nd copy is always a good idea for when the 1st wears out )

2-feign-reluctance

jhulud wrote:

When it comes to vinyl...they're not "limited edition" per se. A certain number get pressed...let's say 50,000 for example...and then that's it. The record company may choose not to press the record again due to poor vinyl sales (not really applicable today since vinyl has been making a huge comeback) and hence that said record goes out of print.

Being out ot print is what makes it jump in value in the secondary market. If the band in question has a sizeable following like Pearl Jam does, then the records will be snapped up and thus harder to attain by anyone who is looking for them now. It will cost you to try and complete that collection.

Some titles do get repressed at time because it may be more affordable to do so. "Ten" is a single LP and cheaper to repress than say, "Lost Dogs" being that it's a double-LP and more expensive packaging. Plus the labels have to look at the potential to sell more copies of that repress.

"Limited Editions" are not put out with the goal to screw over certain fans that can't afford it. It all comes down to the money the band or label have available for that particular product and how many they can have made. It may be pricey at the onset when it comes out, but the band and label have to recoup their costs don't they?

These are my two cents after 20 years of record listening & collecting and helping friends out w/ their record labels.

logical explanations defy emotional banter.

SPEEDY MCCREADY

i dont get the whole "limited edition" anything when it comes to the merchandise ........

i was at a foo fighters show and david grohl was talking about playing small venues.....he said "playing a small venue is nice...but then not everyone gets to go to the show"...

i feel the same with the vinyl..posters...and whatever the fuck else they are selling....

if you have the means to make enough for everyone.....then why not just make enough for everyone?????

the whole....only 200 prints of a certain poster........i dont get it

if the artist could sell 1,000-5,000 posters......and everyone is happy.....

then why not just print 1,000-5,000 posters??????

DewieCox

I think it's cool that they have limited edition stuff. Can't say I am a fan of the limited pressings of vinyls, but.............

I think poster HAVE to be limited edition. It's more of a hobby/collecting sorta thing. You really can't do anything besides collect them, so they are made more collectible. I like that.

Cosmo

jhulud wrote:

When it comes to vinyl...they're not "limited edition" per se. A certain number get pressed...let's say 50,000 for example...and then that's it. The record company may choose not to press the record again due to poor vinyl sales (not really applicable today since vinyl has been making a huge comeback) and hence that said record goes out of print.

Being out ot print is what makes it jump in value in the secondary market. If the band in question has a sizeable following like Pearl Jam does, then the records will be snapped up and thus harder to attain by anyone who is looking for them now. It will cost you to try and complete that collection.

Some titles do get repressed at time because it may be more affordable to do so. "Ten" is a single LP and cheaper to repress than say, "Lost Dogs" being that it's a double-LP and more expensive packaging. Plus the labels have to look at the potential to sell more copies of that repress.

"Limited Editions" are not put out with the goal to screw over certain fans that can't afford it. It all comes down to the money the band or label have available for that particular product and how many they can have made. It may be pricey at the onset when it comes out, but the band and label have to recoup their costs don't they?

These are my two cents after 20 years of record listening & collecting and helping friends out w/ their record labels.

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This is the correct assessment.
They are not 'Limited Editions'... they are 'Out Of Print'.
In the days of vinyl... that pre-dated the Compact Disc, there was more of an incentive to keep re-pressing vinyl copies. Since the CD has come (and is going), it is not worth the while to re-press vinyl and the market is left to the existing copies. Had people been more interested in vinyl, there would probably be more copies available. I remember the days of seeing multiple copies of 'Ten', 'Vs.', 'Vitalogy' and 'No Code' sitting in the bins at the Tower Records store. No one wanted them.
Remember... it's a business.

DewieCox

Cosmo wrote:

jhulud wrote:

When it comes to vinyl...they're not "limited edition" per se. A certain number get pressed...let's say 50,000 for example...and then that's it. The record company may choose not to press the record again due to poor vinyl sales (not really applicable today since vinyl has been making a huge comeback) and hence that said record goes out of print.

Being out ot print is what makes it jump in value in the secondary market. If the band in question has a sizeable following like Pearl Jam does, then the records will be snapped up and thus harder to attain by anyone who is looking for them now. It will cost you to try and complete that collection.

Some titles do get repressed at time because it may be more affordable to do so. "Ten" is a single LP and cheaper to repress than say, "Lost Dogs" being that it's a double-LP and more expensive packaging. Plus the labels have to look at the potential to sell more copies of that repress.

"Limited Editions" are not put out with the goal to screw over certain fans that can't afford it. It all comes down to the money the band or label have available for that particular product and how many they can have made. It may be pricey at the onset when it comes out, but the band and label have to recoup their costs don't they?

These are my two cents after 20 years of record listening & collecting and helping friends out w/ their record labels.

...
This is the correct assessment.
They are not 'Limited Editions'... they are 'Out Of Print'.
In the days of vinyl... that pre-dated the Compact Disc, there was more of an incentive to keep re-pressing vinyl copies. Since the CD has come (and is going), it is not worth the while to re-press vinyl and the market is left to the existing copies. Had people been more interested in vinyl, there would probably be more copies available. I remember the days of seeing multiple copies of 'Ten', 'Vs.', 'Vitalogy' and 'No Code' sitting in the bins at the Tower Records store. No one wanted them.
Remember... it's a business.

Exactly, that's why we are gettin reprints now. Vinyls are on the comeback.