playing covers live? meh...

tenforthewintenforthewin Posts: 177
edited 2009 06 in The Porch
I was thinking, looking at some of the setlists from recent years, it looks like the band is playing more and more covers. Now I know they probably enjoy playing them as they are a departure from the norm and they probably get tired of their own stuff sometimes maybe. But I think 3-4 covers in one night plus tagging covers on the end of songs is a bit much. I'd rather they drop those and play more PJ songs. 1 or 2 covers plus tags at the end of Daughter/Betterman is plenty sufficient to me. Don't get me wrong, I loved Love Reign O'er Me as much as the next guy, but when I go to a PJ show I want to hear Pearl Jam. What does everyone think about this? :geek:
Bonnaroo '08
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  • hitmanhitman Posts: 469
    i do agree... plus the covers seem more "special" when there is just one or two of them..... not 3 or 4 as you mention...

    also, the crowd sing-alongs... during betterman, and anywhere else.... i am sure they are great for the crowd, but listening later on i sometimes wish it was just eddie singing it, or at least singing WITH the crowd... i dunno. maybe i'm just too "complainy" today..
  • mjbmjb Posts: 1,315
    I like a lot of the covers - especially love them in tags...I can do without Last Kiss or RITFW going forward, but a lot of the Ed solo covers worked in as the first song of a first or second encore would be awesome for me (i.e. Trouble, Don't Be Shy, The Seeker, Patriot, Long May You Run, etc.) - I dunno...moments like Cinnamon Girl being played after I Got Shit in Toronto in 06' are moments I find myself thinking back to often. To each his own
  • alzalz Posts: 6
    I sit in the exact opposite camp.

    I wish they'd play more covers (or rarities in general) because I like to hear how they interpret songs by other artists. They're fun and interesting for me.

    For example, I've seen them about a dozen times and every single show I've been to they've done Evenflow. I like even flow, but I don't need to hear it live again. I would much rather hear a cover I'd never heard them do before or some other rarity than to hear the same thing I've heard a dozen times before. I'm excited either way because it's Pearl Jam, but if asked my preference I'd not see Evenflow again.

    I can see why people would want "no covers" if they'd never seen them live before, but I know when talking to other fans I like being able to say things like "I saw them do Crown of Thorns live" since it's an awesome song and definitely one they don't pull out very often as opposed to saying something like "I've seen Evenflow live 13 times".
  • hitmanhitman Posts: 469
    i enjoy the tags myself! so much so that i have been working similar ideas into the ends of some of my own songs with my bands.... but if they do an encore and it's 5 songs and 3 of 'em are covers...i guess i'd rather have more PJ rare stuff or something instead of CCR, Neil Young, etc.

    like the comment earlier though... the guys probably get bored of doing their own stuff all the time and a cover or 2 is a welcome break....
  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    BH71937 wrote:
    i enjoy the tags myself! so much so that i have been working similar ideas into the ends of some of my own songs with my bands.... but if they do an encore and it's 5 songs and 3 of 'em are covers...i guess i'd rather have more PJ rare stuff or something instead of CCR, Neil Young, etc.

    like the comment earlier though... the guys probably get bored of doing their own stuff all the time and a cover or 2 is a welcome break....

    That's why I like them doing covers. Since they seem so determined to never again write a great rock anthem and instead settle for crappy 2-minute punk rockers, I'm all for a great cover from the Who, CCR, Neil, or... Peter Frampton ;) I was under the impression that encores were the time to rouse the crowd and send them home buzzed, not play a bunch of songs nobody outside the first 10 rows know.

    I also love the crowd singalongs... it's what makes the band such a juggernaut live. They interact with the crowd so well and get everyone involved. Unless you're going to do a Kanye West style light show, you've got to do something to make a connection with the crowd and nobody does better than PJ. I realized this big time seeing Radiohead headline Lolla last year... they didn't even compare to PJ's set and were incredibly boring. I can see it being underwhelming on the bootlegs, but it's usually on major songs like Daughter or Betterman, and how many times do we need to hear Ed sing that song? Is it really that difference from version to version?
  • restlesssoulrestlesssoul Posts: 6,951
    edited 2009 06
    i like the covers, but i find myself yearning for a straight forward PJ set these days. baba and free world the only covers at the end of a rocking all-pj set.

    I'd be glad if i never heard No More live again. Just bring the heat with pearl jam. listening to the 90's and 2000 boots is great. the 08 boots get lost on me kinda.....too many extracurricular songs. you guys know what I mean?

    however, i would take a maggot brain or little wing any day of the week ;)
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  • gregkitefangregkitefan Posts: 1,116
    i like the covers, but i find myself yearning for a straight forward PJ set these days. baba and free world the only covers at the end of a rocking all-pj set.

    I'd be glad if i never heard No More live again. Just bring the heat with pearl jam. listening to the 90's and 2000 boots is great. the 08 boots get lost on me kinda.....too many extracurricular songs. you guys no what I mean?

    however, i would take a maggot brain or little wing any day of the week ;)

    I saw (3) shows in 2008 and they played one cover per show.
    2004 and 2005 was when they played a lot of covers.
    They actually played very few covers in 2008.
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  • prytocorduroyprytocorduroy Posts: 4,355
    If they ever put a cover on a studio album.........
    Live, meh......not really a fan of covers at all actually. Play you own fucking songs biotches. I came to see Pearl Jam didn't I?
  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    i like the covers, but i find myself yearning for a straight forward PJ set these days. baba and free world the only covers at the end of a rocking all-pj set.

    I'd be glad if i never heard No More live again. Just bring the heat with pearl jam. listening to the 90's and 2000 boots is great. the 08 boots get lost on me kinda.....too many extracurricular songs. you guys know what I mean?

    however, i would take a maggot brain or little wing any day of the week ;)

    I didn't see any shows in 08, but in 2006 I thought the setlists were pretty much perfect. A fair sampler of the new stuff, and they finally brought out some of their classic songs that seemed to have disappeared from the sets for too long... songs like In Hiding, Immortality, Why Go, and Leash. They also finally let go of the mediocre songs like the Gods' Dice, Evacuation, Get Right, Cropduster, and all those other weak 3 minute punkish rockers.

    I love everything from Ten to Yield, but their more recent albums the rock songs have been falling flat. It's like they're afraid to let the songs breathe and groove organically like they used to, so you get a bunch of songs that might be interesting if you're a Tool fan that gets off on weird time signatures, but are otherwise forgettable. Their best work these days is the more mellow and acoustic stuff, which is among the best work they've ever done... songs like Of the Girl and All or None. But a lot of those songs don't translate well to a huge arena show so they get played sparingly.
  • restlesssoulrestlesssoul Posts: 6,951
    i guess they didnt play many covers in 08, its just that NO More 3 shows in a row for me killed the vibe....i really dont like that song at a concert.


    2006 shows were bang on soulsinging, i just dont have physical boots to throw in and listen to.
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  • restlesssoulrestlesssoul Posts: 6,951
    you know what? i dont care what they play. i just want to see them live again. badly. we should just be thankful they are still together making new music and touring.

    sorry. i was moody this morning, i went for a run and listened to a 93 boot and it put things in perspective
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  • Gary CarterGary Carter Posts: 14,067
    i love the covers there fun for the band and you never know what there gonna do. maybe they can breakout some more mother love bone or even soundgarden. i'd like to see them do what phish does from time to time an cover a whole album.
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  • nukebootnukeboot Posts: 1,465
    I have no problem at all with PJ covers. In most cases, they're paying tribute to bands
    that came before them and influenced them. I think is shows a certain amount of
    selflessness and it spices up the night for me. They play longer sets than many bands,
    so a few "extras" is AOK with me.

    I'd rather they dropped some of the "hits" for a whole tour, but that would anger the
    casual fan who really wants to hear Evenflow, Alive, etc.
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  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    i guess they didnt play many covers in 08, its just that NO More 3 shows in a row for me killed the vibe....i really dont like that song at a concert.

    2006 shows were bang on soulsinging, i just dont have physical boots to throw in and listen to.

    I'm with you on No More... I've seen it twice I think, and it just doesn't seem to fit in their set very well for whatever reason.
  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    nukeboot wrote:
    I have no problem at all with PJ covers. In most cases, they're paying tribute to bands
    that came before them and influenced them. I think is shows a certain amount of
    selflessness and it spices up the night for me. They play longer sets than many bands,
    so a few "extras" is AOK with me.

    I'd rather they dropped some of the "hits" for a whole tour, but that would anger the
    casual fan who really wants to hear Evenflow, Alive, etc.

    I was at the Vic show and it was very cool, but it also made me realize that those hit songs are there for a reason. Many of them are hits because they are great songs. A live set that has none of them is kind of weird. I'm sorry, but if you're playing a huge basketball arena, Help Help, Push Me Pull Me, and Of the Girl just don't reach the back rows the way Alive does.
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