Laid-off workers offered India move

supersonicyears

http://money.cnn.com/2009/02/05/news/co ... /index.htm

We all need to start thinking about boycotting all the big corporations that outsource our jobs to other countries

tybird

Way to dodge the question about the pay, IBM.

soulsinging

"At a time of rising unemployment IBM should be looking to keep both the work and the workers in the United States."

What the hell difference does that make? You think unemployment is high because companies are doing well? They're supposed to just keep the business here to go under so that NOBODY in the company has a job?

PJ_Lukin

I work for IBM, and have for a long time. I can tell you firsthand that they have a stated goal of changing the make up of what they call "resources". I shit you not, that is how they refer to the employees.

At the time it was presented to me 1.5 - 2 years ago, IBM was made up of about 2/3 USA workers and 1/3 from other countries around the world. The goal is to reverse that to "2/3 global resources and reduce to 1/3 USA resources".

It isn't just about profit for IBM, It is basically disowning it's American heritage. The CEO Sam Palmisano, refused to characterize IBM as an American company in a recent interview citing it's growing number of global customers. Couldn't Boeing, Ford or GE say that too?

All this takes place among record profits and record income of over $100 BIllion for 2008 for IBM. They are making money, and lots of it. The business model is solid and sustainable. They only layed off workers because they saw an opportunity with the soft economy. They lay of older, higher paid workers and move those jobs offshore. Hell, they have already begun to offshore the already off shored jobs from India to Viet Nam and other countries because they can save around $5,000 per employee per year.

Do not defend IBM, they don't deserve it.

know1

I think it's good to help the poor people of other countries by creating jobs there. They typically need them worse than us in the U.S.. I try to view people as people regardless of where they live.

soulsinging

I think it would be pretty bad ass to have a job overseas. Plus, Indian chicks are so hot!

tybird

PJ_Lukin wrote:

I work for IBM, and have for a long time. I can tell you firsthand that they have a stated goal of changing the make up of what they call "resources". I shit you not, that is how they refer to the employees.

At the time it was presented to me 1.5 - 2 years ago, IBM was made up of about 2/3 USA workers and 1/3 from other countries around the world. The goal is to reverse that to "2/3 global resources and reduce to 1/3 USA resources".

It isn't just about profit for IBM, It is basically disowning it's American heritage. The CEO Sam Palmisano, refused to characterize IBM as an American company in a recent interview citing it's growing number of global customers. Couldn't Boeing, Ford or GE say that too?

All this takes place among record profits and record income of over $100 BIllion for 2008 for IBM. They are making money, and lots of it. The business model is solid and sustainable. They only layed off workers because they saw an opportunity with the soft economy. They lay of older, higher paid workers and move those jobs offshore. Hell, they have already begun to offshore the already off shored jobs from India to Viet Nam and other countries because they can save around $5,000 per employee per year.

Do not defend IBM, they don't deserve it.

Resources does sound better than slaves, eh?

Flutter Girl

know1 wrote:

I think it's good to help the poor people of other countries by creating jobs there. They typically need them worse than us in the U.S.. I try to view people as people regardless of where they live.

sending all our jobs to poorer countries will make us the poor one. America will be empty. If there aren't any jobs, whats the point in staying? These businesses want to have their cake and eat it too, but are too stupid to register that if noone is making money here, then noone can buy their products/services here. Even with businesses failing all around them. It will come back to bite them in the ass.

soulsinging

RM291946 wrote:

know1 wrote:

I think it's good to help the poor people of other countries by creating jobs there. They typically need them worse than us in the U.S.. I try to view people as people regardless of where they live.

sending all our jobs to poorer countries will make us the poor one. America will be empty. If there aren't any jobs, whats the point in staying? These businesses want to have their cake and eat it too, but are too stupid to register that if noone is making money here, then noone can buy their products/services here. Even with businesses failing all around them. It will come back to bite them in the ass.

People in China, India, and Europe don't buy anything? I know it's easy to think the rest of the world lives in mud huts, but America ain't the only place to buy a tv.

Flutter Girl

I'm not replying to much else right now cos I gotta get goin, but I wanted to say here that I am talking about companies like AT&T who would send jobs to India, but they sell there serves solely here. If we're all broke and jobless, they won't have any customers left here. sure they can up and move their service to another country once noone is buying here anymore, but then, what does that leave for us? shall we all just have to put up with coping without phones cos all the phone service companies have left America for greener pastures?

soulsinging

RM291946 wrote:

I'm not replying to much else right now cos I gotta get goin, but I wanted to say here that I am talking about companies like AT&T who would send jobs to India, but they sell there serves solely here. If we're all broke and jobless, they won't have any customers left here. sure they can up and move their service to another country once noone is buying here anymore, but then, what does that leave for us? shall we all just have to put up with coping without phones cos all the phone service companies have left America for greener pastures?

I think this is already happening. Who has a landline anymore? Cell phones are practically merging with the internet. Those companies are fading fast anyway. Meanwhile, China is going digital at record pace... internet use there is through the roof. If they can break into the market, they'll be fine.

Flutter Girl

soulsinging wrote:

RM291946 wrote:

I'm not replying to much else right now cos I gotta get goin, but I wanted to say here that I am talking about companies like AT&T who would send jobs to India, but they sell there serves solely here. If we're all broke and jobless, they won't have any customers left here. sure they can up and move their service to another country once noone is buying here anymore, but then, what does that leave for us? shall we all just have to put up with coping without phones cos all the phone service companies have left America for greener pastures?

I think this is already happening. Who has a landline anymore? Cell phones are practically merging with the internet. Those companies are fading fast anyway. Meanwhile, China is going digital at record pace... internet use there is through the roof. If they can break into the market, they'll be fine.

I have a landline. I hate cell phones.
phone service doesn't just provide for landlines anyways. They do for cell phones and internet connection as well. so getting back to what I was saying......................


and yea..the business will be fine, but where will we be? They'll be in China and we'll be left jobless and empty handed. I don't give a rats ass about the business succeeding as a whole. I am saying if it fails here, they will leave for somewhere else entirely. Outside of the little mom and pop shops, we'll have nothing. And even a lot of them will fail cos they can only make money off the folk they are employing.

soulsinging

RM291946 wrote:

soulsinging wrote:

RM291946 wrote:

I'm not replying to much else right now cos I gotta get goin, but I wanted to say here that I am talking about companies like AT&T who would send jobs to India, but they sell there serves solely here. If we're all broke and jobless, they won't have any customers left here. sure they can up and move their service to another country once noone is buying here anymore, but then, what does that leave for us? shall we all just have to put up with coping without phones cos all the phone service companies have left America for greener pastures?

I think this is already happening. Who has a landline anymore? Cell phones are practically merging with the internet. Those companies are fading fast anyway. Meanwhile, China is going digital at record pace... internet use there is through the roof. If they can break into the market, they'll be fine.

I have a landline. I hate cell phones.
phone service doesn't just provide for landlines anyways. They do for cell phones and internet connection as well. so getting back to what I was saying......................


and yea..the business will be fine, but where will we be? They'll be in China and we'll be left jobless and empty handed. I don't give a rats ass about the business succeeding as a whole. I am saying if it fails here, they will leave for somewhere else entirely. Outside of the little mom and pop shops, we'll have nothing. And even a lot of them will fail cos they can only make money off the folk they are employing.

I got that, my point was that from their perspective, who cares? They get rich, they still have customers elsewhere, if America goes down the tubes, so what? Capitalism eh? Money talks.

Jeanwah

know1 wrote:

I think it's good to help the poor people of other countries by creating jobs there. They typically need them worse than us in the U.S.. I try to view people as people regardless of where they live.

Those overseas who are working for American companies are typically underpaid and treated badly as ethical treatment is not a priority. So the corps that outsource not only screw us American workers but also practically use slave labor as a way of "rewarding" foreign workers. Just look at the kind of conditions Walmart workers deal with in China.

Jeanwah

soulsinging wrote:

I got that, my point was that from their perspective, who cares? They get rich, they still have customers elsewhere, if America goes down the tubes, so what? Capitalism eh? Money talks.

Capitalism it is, but more so its greed at its very worst. We let the power of these corps get to the point of taking their business completely out of America, they win. That's why people need to stop supporting and working for these bastards.

soulsinging

Jeanwah wrote:

soulsinging wrote:

I got that, my point was that from their perspective, who cares? They get rich, they still have customers elsewhere, if America goes down the tubes, so what? Capitalism eh? Money talks.

Capitalism it is, but more so its greed at its very worst. We let the power of these corps get to the point of taking their business completely out of America, they win. That's why people need to stop supporting and working for these bastards.

Isn't the point of this thread that people WANT to work for these bastards and can't?

Byrnzie

Anyone seen Michael Moore's 'Roger and Me'?

know1

Jeanwah wrote:

know1 wrote:

I think it's good to help the poor people of other countries by creating jobs there. They typically need them worse than us in the U.S.. I try to view people as people regardless of where they live.

Those overseas who are working for American companies are typically underpaid and treated badly as ethical treatment is not a priority. So the corps that outsource not only screw us American workers but also practically use slave labor as a way of "rewarding" foreign workers. Just look at the kind of conditions Walmart workers deal with in China.

I don't agree. We have to give those people SOME opportunity to have jobs. Even if the working conditions are tougher than they would be here, those people can gain a foothold and organize to push for better conditions. But without that chance, they have nothing at all.

Jeanwah

know1 wrote:

Jeanwah wrote:

know1 wrote:

I think it's good to help the poor people of other countries by creating jobs there. They typically need them worse than us in the U.S.. I try to view people as people regardless of where they live.

Those overseas who are working for American companies are typically underpaid and treated badly as ethical treatment is not a priority. So the corps that outsource not only screw us American workers but also practically use slave labor as a way of "rewarding" foreign workers. Just look at the kind of conditions Walmart workers deal with in China.

I don't agree. We have to give those people SOME opportunity to have jobs. Even if the working conditions are tougher than they would be here, those people can gain a foothold and organize to push for better conditions. But without that chance, they have nothing at all.

I'm not saying that those overseas shouldn't have the opportunity, I'm saying that we should not be allowing corporate practices to be unethical. And you're right, if that means, them getting together and standing firm, so be it. But because no one really stands up to these slave labor practices, what we're doing is allowing it, both here and overseas.

Flutter Girl

soulsinging wrote:

I got that, my point was that from their perspective, who cares? They get rich, they still have customers elsewhere, if America goes down the tubes, so what? Capitalism eh? Money talks.

ah okay..I'm a little slow...it seemed like you were arguing on their behalf like they'll be okay, so we'll be okay.. :oops:

PJ_Lukin

Found out Friday that IBM will be transferring it's High End server manufacturing operation which is currently performed in Ireland to Singapore over the next 2 years. And the band played on....

flywallyfly

PJ_Lukin wrote:

Found out Friday that IBM will be transferring it's High End server manufacturing operation which is currently performed in Ireland to Singapore over the next 2 years. And the band played on....

I read that Dell is moving the work of much of its Ireland production to Poland for its cheaper labor.

http://article.wn.com/view/2009/01/09/D ... to_Poland/