Obama: "Crisis Could Turn To Catastrophe With Inaction"

DriftingByTheStorm

What does our fearless leader mean by this statement, that he just made at a press conference?

I am confused, because i was under the impression that this crisis was not real, that the media was just overreacting, and that people who thought otherwise were fearmongers and conspiracy theorists.

When the president of the United States says that this "crisis could turn to catastrophe", what exactly does he mean? What is the current crisis, and if this is a crisis, what is a catastrophe?

Just wondering.

inmytree

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

What does our fearless leader mean by this statement, that he just made at a press conference?

I am confused, because i was under the impression that this crisis was not real, that the media was just overreacting, and that people who thought otherwise were fearmongers and conspiracy theorists.

When the president of the United States says that this "crisis could turn to catastrophe", what exactly does he mean? What is the current crisis, and if this is a crisis, what is a catastrophe?

Just wondering.

call me kooky, but I'm pretty sure the crisis he is referring to is the growing number of folks losing their jobs...

decides2dream

looking for a little validation there eh drifting? thought you were above that.


errr......seriously, i don't think anyone truly doubted there is a 'crisis' in our midst, i think many just fought against a 'the sky is falling' mentality in thought and approach on the topic. absolutely, let's not bury our heads in the sand, but go about it in a thoughtful and considered way for the best course of action.

cornnifer

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

What does our fearless leader mean by this statement, that he just made at a press conference?

I am confused, because i was under the impression that this crisis was not real, that the media was just overreacting, and that people who thought otherwise were fearmongers and conspiracy theorists.

When the president of the United States says that this "crisis could turn to catastrophe", what exactly does he mean? What is the current crisis, and if this is a crisis, what is a catastrophe?

Just wondering.

Do you seriously not know the difference between a crisis and a catastrophe, or are you just suggesting that the current situation couldn't possibly get any worse?
Either way i think you,re just spouting off.

ajedigecko

more fear tactics.........in order to get an agenda passed.

Solat13

ajedigecko wrote:

more fear tactics.........in order to get an agenda passed.

Yep, and I always thought Republicans were the party of fear and doom and gloom.

cornnifer

ajedigecko wrote:

more fear tactics.........in order to get an agenda passed.

Fear tactics in order to pass an agenda? Really?
We're rapidly approaching double digit unemployment. That's pretty damned scary.

DriftingByTheStorm

cornnifer wrote:

ajedigecko wrote:

more fear tactics.........in order to get an agenda passed.

Fear tactics in order to pass an agenda? Really?
We're rapidly approaching double digit unemployment. That's pretty damned scary.

Google: Rahm Emanuell "Waste a Good Crisis"

Yes. Fear tactics to get an agenda passed.
You know, you can't let a good crisis go to waste.
:x :x

ajedigecko

cornnifer wrote:

ajedigecko wrote:

more fear tactics.........in order to get an agenda passed.

Fear tactics in order to pass an agenda? Really?
We're rapidly approaching double digit unemployment. That's pretty damned scary.

yes, really....and i agree scary.

the certainty that bush used with wmd.....i see as equivalent to the certainty that obama is using. both have an agenda.

we all have an agenda.

chromiam

we must do something... even if doing something makes things worse.

decides2dream

chromiam wrote:

we must do something... even if doing something makes things worse.

where's that damn to denote sarcasm when you need it?
or do we go the way of RM and start to utilize :arrow: for that function, simply b/c now we have :arrow: ?

mca47

Near double digit unemployment numbers, every day companies laying off thousands of people, housing market in the toilet, financial institutions and the auto industry struggling (not that they didn't bring that upon themselves in many ways), the world being in a recession...not just the US.

I'd characterize that is being "crisis-like".

What is a catastrophe? I don't know, but things are getting worse every day, and I do believe something needs to be done. Is Obama's plan going to turn everything around? Maybe, maybe not. Most economists don't even know and I do think they know more than most of us on here.

When you are tumbling down a hill and nearing a cliff, I do think you need to grasp onto something and do what you can when you can because if you make it to the ledge there isn't much chance at that point.

Pats54

giving 4bl to Acorn is a step in the right direction and every other social program these frauds are trying to pass off as stimulus. If he is so concerned about the current situation why not tell them to take all of the pork and crap out of the bill and just pass a stand alone stimulus bill.

SolarWorld

It's one thing to say the world is in a serious mess right now... it's something different to think there are evil men behind curtain's controlling it all. Nobody know's what is going to happen. It's all speculation. Only thing I know for sure is friends are loosing jobs and having trouble paying their bills. People need help. Hope we can get it to them soon.

inmytree

Pats54 wrote:

giving 4bl to Acorn is a step in the right direction and every other social program these frauds are trying to pass off as stimulus. If he is so concerned about the current situation why not tell them to take all of the pork and crap out of the bill and just pass a stand alone stimulus bill.

I'm calling bullshit...Acorn will not receive 4bl...

Pats54

inmytree wrote:

Pats54 wrote:

giving 4bl to Acorn is a step in the right direction and every other social program these frauds are trying to pass off as stimulus. If he is so concerned about the current situation why not tell them to take all of the pork and crap out of the bill and just pass a stand alone stimulus bill.

I'm calling bullshit...Acorn will not receive 4bl...

5.2 bln for "community Development" :roll: That Acorn will be able to apply for. Come on when they apply for a community development grant you really don't think they will get any $$. Barry will reward them, that is how Chicago politics works. Another 4bln for smoking cessation programs. This strikes me as funny as they are going to fund the schip childrens healthcare bill with an increase in federal Tobacco taxes. Since that is the case the Govt should be promoting smoking. Why fund a bill where you have declining industry revenues year over year.

Lets be real with this bill it is anything but a Stimulus bill. Why is he crying about the mean Republicans, the Dems run the show now in DC.

chromiam

decides2dream wrote:

chromiam wrote:

we must do something... even if doing something makes things worse.

where's that damn to denote sarcasm when you need it?
or do we go the way of RM and start to utilize :arrow: for that function, simply b/c now we have :arrow: ?

no sarcasm in my statement.

inmytree

Pats54 wrote:

inmytree wrote:

Pats54 wrote:

giving 4bl to Acorn is a step in the right direction and every other social program these frauds are trying to pass off as stimulus. If he is so concerned about the current situation why not tell them to take all of the pork and crap out of the bill and just pass a stand alone stimulus bill.

I'm calling bullshit...Acorn will not receive 4bl...

5.2 bln for "community Development" :roll: That Acorn will be able to apply for. Come on when they apply for a community development grant you really don't think they will get any $$. Barry will reward them, that is how Chicago politics works. Another 4bln for smoking cessation programs. This strikes me as funny as they are going to fund the schip childrens healthcare bill with an increase in federal Tobacco taxes. Since that is the case the Govt should be promoting smoking. Why fund a bill where you have declining industry revenues year over year.

Lets be real with this bill it is anything but a Stimulus bill. Why is he crying about the mean Republicans, the Dems run the show now in DC.

oh, it's 5.2 billion now...I see...

anyway, you said Acorn will get 4bl...and I called bullshit..and I'm correct in that assessment...I'd be willing to bet there are more that one community agency that will access these funds...

as for smoking and schip...yeah, it's a bad thing to help provide insurance for children and to help people quit smoking which will help keep medical costs down...yeah, what a dick... :roll:

you say this bill is not a stimulus, I guess little gnomes are going to do the work, and we all know gnomes aren't good consumers...

chromiam

Pats54 wrote:

Why is he crying about the mean Republicans, the Dems run the show now in DC.

That's the funniest part of all of this. The Dems control the House and Senate and yet all I hear are the Republicans are trying to water down and block the stimulus package. It almost seems as if Obama is trying to get Rep votes for two reasons: 1) show his ability to have bipartisan lesgislation 2) (and maybe even the larger reason) so that in 2 years, if the stimulus has little to no effect, the Reps can't stand up and say that they opposed the huge increase in spending which did not achieve its stated goals. I think #2 could be the greater reason just for the sheer fact that most jobs won't be created until 16 or 18 months after the plan is enacted... just about in time for elections.

Pats54

as for smoking and schip...yeah, it's a bad thing to help provide insurance for children and to help people quit smoking which will help keep medical costs down...yeah, what a dick... :roll: Never said it was bad to give assistance with healthcare for children. My point was it makes no sense to try to fund a program with a revenue stream that could be drying up as users of the product are consistently declining. Over time you will have a budget shortfall then you will have to find the money somewhere else to continue funding. Smokers are overall less of a drain on the system (long term SS etc) as they tend to die younger. Keeping medical costs down is another topic.

you say this bill is not a stimulus, I guess little gnomes are going to do the work, and we all know gnomes aren't good consumers...[/quote] 650mln for the digital conversion. Give me a break spend the forty bucks and convert on your own. We have become a nation of handouts

If you want to try to pass social programs do it on there own merit not under the guise of a stimulus bill. All I am saying is pass a real stimulus bill.

chromiam

Pats54 wrote:

If you want to try to pass social programs do it on there own merit not under the guise of a stimulus bill. All I am saying is pass a real stimulus bill.

That's my biggest gripe with the bs in this bill. Like you said, if you wanna fund social programs, ok do it but not in this bill. Pass a separate bill with social programs and let the people see how much money you want to funnel in that direction. Not under the guise of a stimulus package.

Pats54

chromiam wrote:

Pats54 wrote:

Why is he crying about the mean Republicans, the Dems run the show now in DC.

That's the funniest part of all of this. The Dems control the House and Senate and yet all I hear are the Republicans are trying to water down and block the stimulus package. It almost seems as if Obama is trying to get Rep votes for two reasons: 1) show his ability to have bipartisan lesgislation 2) (and maybe even the larger reason) so that in 2 years, if the stimulus has little to no effect, the Reps can't stand up and say that they opposed the huge increase in spending which did not achieve its stated goals. I think #2 could be the greater reason just for the sheer fact that most jobs won't be created until 16 or 18 months after the plan is enacted... just about in time for elections.

2 is exactly right on. They got hammered for supporting the bank bailout back in october or nov. When W said the sky was falling and we must act. The big Maverick even supported that sham.

1 I think he wants to appear like he is being bipartisan but not really listen or adopt some of the ideas.

Pats54

chromiam wrote:

Pats54 wrote:

If you want to try to pass social programs do it on there own merit not under the guise of a stimulus bill. All I am saying is pass a real stimulus bill.

That's my biggest gripe with the bs in this bill. Like you said, if you wanna fund social programs, ok do it but not in this bill. Pass a separate bill with social programs and let the people see how much money you want to funnel in that direction. Not under the guise of a stimulus package.

Exactly and the other concern I have is they are trying to just ram through a bill of this size in record time. Ti should also be noted that there are some conservative Dems who are alos having issues with the Bill.

inmytree

Pats54 wrote:

as for smoking and schip...yeah, it's a bad thing to help provide insurance for children and to help people quit smoking which will help keep medical costs down...yeah, what a dick... :roll: Never said it was bad to give assistance with healthcare for children. My point was it makes no sense to try to fund a program with a revenue stream that could be drying up as users of the product are consistently declining. Over time you will have a budget shortfall then you will have to find the money somewhere else to continue funding. Smokers are overall less of a drain on the system (long term SS etc) as they tend to die younger. Keeping medical costs down is another topic.

you say this bill is not a stimulus, I guess little gnomes are going to do the work, and we all know gnomes aren't good consumers.. 650mln for the digital conversion. Give me a break spend the forty bucks and convert on your own. We have become a nation of handouts

If you want to try to pass social programs do it on there own merit not under the guise of a stimulus bill. All I am saying is pass a real stimulus bill.

fyi...the DTV bill was passed by the republican congress...it was called Digital Transition and Public Safety Act of 2005...I

yeah, those dems and Obama are to blame for that one... :roll:

from here: http://www.bizjournals.com/tampabay/sto ... ily40.html

Although efforts to move to digital has been four years in the making since the passage of the Digital Transition and Public Safety Act of 2005, government-issued vouchers meant to defray the cost of a digital converter box for low-income families exhausted faster than anticipated, leaving many without the financial wherewithal to make the switch.

Sludge Factory

inmytree wrote:

fyi...the DTV bill was passed by the republican congress...it was called Digital Transition and Public Safety Act of 2005...I

yeah, those dems and Obama are to blame for that one... :roll:

from here: http://www.bizjournals.com/tampabay/sto ... ily40.html

Although efforts to move to digital has been four years in the making since the passage of the Digital Transition and Public Safety Act of 2005, government-issued vouchers meant to defray the cost of a digital converter box for low-income families exhausted faster than anticipated, leaving many without the financial wherewithal to make the switch.

For EVERYONE'S information...BOTH parties are fucking us over in their own neat little ways. Partisan politics has fucked us...fuck this party line mentality bullshit.

inmytree

Sludge Factory wrote:

inmytree wrote:

fyi...the DTV bill was passed by the republican congress...it was called Digital Transition and Public Safety Act of 2005...I

yeah, those dems and Obama are to blame for that one... :roll:

from here: http://www.bizjournals.com/tampabay/sto ... ily40.html

Although efforts to move to digital has been four years in the making since the passage of the Digital Transition and Public Safety Act of 2005, government-issued vouchers meant to defray the cost of a digital converter box for low-income families exhausted faster than anticipated, leaving many without the financial wherewithal to make the switch.

For EVERYONE'S information...BOTH parties are fucking us over in their own neat little ways. Partisan politics has fucked us...fuck this party line mentality bullshit.

relax...I was JUST pointing out the FACTS...

OK...?

Sludge Factory

inmytree wrote:

Sludge Factory wrote:

inmytree wrote:

fyi...the DTV bill was passed by the republican congress...it was called Digital Transition and Public Safety Act of 2005...I

yeah, those dems and Obama are to blame for that one... :roll:

from here: http://www.bizjournals.com/tampabay/sto ... ily40.html

Although efforts to move to digital has been four years in the making since the passage of the Digital Transition and Public Safety Act of 2005, government-issued vouchers meant to defray the cost of a digital converter box for low-income families exhausted faster than anticipated, leaving many without the financial wherewithal to make the switch.

For EVERYONE'S information...BOTH parties are fucking us over in their own neat little ways. Partisan politics has fucked us...fuck this party line mentality bullshit.

relax...I was JUST pointing out the FACTS...

OK...?

Yeah man, it just seems when someone from one side points out their facts someone from the other side points out other facts that somewhat pertain to the original main issue but really doesn't address anything in the end. It doesnt' matter, it's all bullshit, the amount of good either side has done is greatly tarnished by the amount of bullshit they allow to get by. I don't care how much dirt can be dug up pointing "murder" to either side. It is irrelevant, we are being fucked by both sides and that gets diluted through all these petty arguments over what good things have been done.

We need to get over this "my team is not as bad as your team...we use LUBE when we fuck the people over" mentality that so many people have.

But yeah, your point was a pretty good one, I didn't mean to single you out, I just quoted you because you were the last person to say something when I was reading this.

inmytree

Sludge Factory wrote:

Yeah man, it just seems when someone from one side points out their facts someone from the other side points out other facts that somewhat pertain to the original main issue but really doesn't address anything in the end. It doesnt' matter, it's all bullshit, the amount of good either side has done is greatly tarnished by the amount of bullshit they allow to get by. I don't care how much dirt can be dug up pointing "murder" to either side. It is irrelevant, we are being fucked by both sides and that gets diluted through all these petty arguments over what good things have been done.

We need to get over this "my team is not as bad as your team...we use LUBE when we fuck the people over" mentality that so many people have.

But yeah, your point was a pretty good one, I didn't mean to single you out, I just quoted you because you were the last person to say something when I was reading this.

he he...no worries, my friend....

I feel the same as you about the current state of affairs...

decides2dream

chromiam wrote:

decides2dream wrote:

chromiam wrote:

we must do something... even if doing something makes things worse.

where's that damn to denote sarcasm when you need it?
or do we go the way of RM and start to utilize :arrow: for that function, simply b/c now we have :arrow: ?

no sarcasm in my statement.

apologies.
i most definitely did not expect you to make such a statement, seriously. thus why i thought it was sarcasm. just goes to show, you can't always be certain, even if you think you may 'know' someone's ideas through many of their posts.


me, i definitely think we need to 'do something'....but i am hoping that, even if it's not a 100% success it will 'do something' enough to be at least a turning point in the right direction. sometimes that is enough. if it actually ends up being more successful, even better! and the idea of failure? well, failure is just not an option.

chromiam

no apologies needed. Maybe I should have added a this in there before something. Because to me, spending money for children healthcare, condom distribution, smoking cessation and the various other pork spending in this bill will do nothing to stimulate the economy. Are some of these programs needed??? Most likely... should they be tied to a stimulus package??? Definitely not. As I said elsewhere, put all the social programs in a separate bill and pass it that way, not under the guise of a stimulus package.

decides2dream

chromiam wrote:

no apologies needed. Maybe I should have added a this in there before something. Because to me, spending money for children healthcare, condom distribution, smoking cessation and the various other pork spending in this bill will do nothing to stimulate the economy. Are some of these programs needed??? Most likely... should they be tied to a stimulus package??? Definitely not. As I said elsewhere, put all the social programs in a separate bill and pass it that way, not under the guise of a stimulus package.

i'll agree with that.


altho i'm gonna guess that perhaps he doesn't think such a bill, all on it's own, would pass.....so blend it in with other things, push it thru in a stimulus package....and get what he wants? second-guessing of course, but i will readily admit obama is not immune from playing politics. i think most who want to get things done do...and probably must, to some extent.


as i said, i just choose to remain hopeful that many of these things will ultimately end up with some positive results for our country. i don't fool myself to think there are any quick fixes, or that any one thing will be a magic cure-all......but measured choices and decisions, and yes, action, is needed to move us forward.