Being open-minded

jasonwjasonw Posts: 424
edited January 2009 in All Encompassing Trip
A certain person has really made me think about people who claim they are open-minded lately. I think everyone I meet who claims to open-minded is completely close-minded. They seem to usually be ultra-liberal or some sort of "hippie". They think that the things they like somehow make them open-minded (drugs, jam bands, or any kind of alternative belief), but they are completely closed off to any idea that is more traditional or conventional. They seem to put music in genres and like any band that falls into that genre and dislike any band that doesn't. It seems like the average guy on the street is more open to different thoughts and things than anyone i've ever met who claimed they were open minded. I've started to respect republicans a lot more recently because even if they are aren't open-minded to different ideas they don't feel the need to say that they are. I hate to generalize like this, but it was just me getting some thoughts out.
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  • It's probably like most things in life... if you feel the need to tell people that you are something, then you probably aren't.

    Like the people who talk about how tough they are... usually those people are the ones who will get their ass kicked by a quiet guy.
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  • fanch75fanch75 Posts: 3,734
    jasonw wrote:
    A certain person has really made me think about people who claim they are open-minded lately. I think everyone I meet who claims to open-minded is completely close-minded. They seem to usually be ultra-liberal or some sort of "hippie". They think that the things they like somehow make them open-minded (drugs, jam bands, or any kind of alternative belief), but they are completely closed off to any idea that is more traditional or conventional. They seem to put music in genres and like any band that falls into that genre and dislike any band that doesn't. It seems like the average guy on the street is more open to different thoughts and things than anyone i've ever met who claimed they were open minded. I've started to respect republicans a lot more recently because even if they are aren't open-minded to different ideas they don't feel the need to say that they are. I hate to generalize like this, but it was just me getting some thoughts out.

    What you are describing is an advanced-level white person.

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  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    jasonw wrote:
    A certain person has really made me think about people who claim they are open-minded lately. I think everyone I meet who claims to open-minded is completely close-minded. They seem to usually be ultra-liberal or some sort of "hippie". They think that the things they like somehow make them open-minded (drugs, jam bands, or any kind of alternative belief), but they are completely closed off to any idea that is more traditional or conventional. They seem to put music in genres and like any band that falls into that genre and dislike any band that doesn't. It seems like the average guy on the street is more open to different thoughts and things than anyone i've ever met who claimed they were open minded. I've started to respect republicans a lot more recently because even if they are aren't open-minded to different ideas they don't feel the need to say that they are. I hate to generalize like this, but it was just me getting some thoughts out.

    When rednecks stop dragging niggers from their pickups or bludgeoning gay teens like Matt Sheperd to death, then those open-minded people will cease to be so critical of traditional beliefs. I have relatives that bought a bunch of guns after this election because they're convinced our terrorist prsident is going to take them away and lead a crusade against decent Christians. I'm sorry, that's an idea that I'm not open-minded to because it's fucking stupid.
  • jasonwjasonw Posts: 424
    jasonw wrote:
    A certain person has really made me think about people who claim they are open-minded lately. I think everyone I meet who claims to open-minded is completely close-minded. They seem to usually be ultra-liberal or some sort of "hippie". They think that the things they like somehow make them open-minded (drugs, jam bands, or any kind of alternative belief), but they are completely closed off to any idea that is more traditional or conventional. They seem to put music in genres and like any band that falls into that genre and dislike any band that doesn't. It seems like the average guy on the street is more open to different thoughts and things than anyone i've ever met who claimed they were open minded. I've started to respect republicans a lot more recently because even if they are aren't open-minded to different ideas they don't feel the need to say that they are. I hate to generalize like this, but it was just me getting some thoughts out.

    When rednecks stop dragging niggers from their pickups or bludgeoning gay teens like Matt Sheperd to death, then those open-minded people will cease to be so critical of traditional beliefs. I have relatives that bought a bunch of guns after this election because they're convinced our terrorist prsident is going to take them away and lead a crusade against decent Christians. I'm sorry, that's an idea that I'm not open-minded to because it's fucking stupid.

    Wow you took that a little far, and you know I wasn't talking about anything like that.
  • mfc2006mfc2006 HTOWN Posts: 37,484
    yup...a bit too far.
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  • open-minded???
    close-minded??

    i think there are way too many people in this world who have no mind at all...
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  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    jasonw wrote:
    When rednecks stop dragging niggers from their pickups or bludgeoning gay teens like Matt Sheperd to death, then those open-minded people will cease to be so critical of traditional beliefs. I have relatives that bought a bunch of guns after this election because they're convinced our terrorist prsident is going to take them away and lead a crusade against decent Christians. I'm sorry, that's an idea that I'm not open-minded to because it's fucking stupid.

    Wow you took that a little far, and you know I wasn't talking about anything like that.

    I'm not saying you are, but I'm saying that it's people like that that make even 'live and let live' hippies very skeptical of traditional values. Traditional values are too often used as a weak rationalization for prejudice and rejection of any new ideas regardless of merit. The past 8 years of Dubya and the far Christian right ruling the electorate have worn down the nerves and optimism of a lot of open-minded people... they feel like they need to be a bit more aggressive about repudiating the whole "this is a country for Jesus and 50s sitcoms" way of thinking and it's lead to a lot of bitter criticism levelled at traditional and conventional ways of thinking for their narrow-mindedness and outdated ways of thinking. Some of it is justified, a lot of it is overreacting. But I don't think you can blame them, it's been a tough time for intelligence in America the last 8 years. ;)
  • decides2dreamdecides2dream Posts: 14,977
    It's probably like most things in life... if you feel the need to tell people that you are something, then you probably aren't.

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    good point. :)


    i don;t really know anyone that actually says they ARE open-minded......at most, i hear a lot of people talk how close-minded others are, and that may or may not be true, or at least equal between parties involved. :) i TRY to be open-minded, i really do try....but i know i don't always manage it, and i am pretty close-minded on a few topics. not saying i won't listen to others' pov, but if i have a strong opinion/stance.....tis difficult to change. besides people talk a lot of bullshit a lot of the time...so i just tend to disregard in any case. :lol:
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  • tybirdtybird Posts: 17,388
    open-minded???
    close-minded??

    i think there are way too many people in this world who have no mind at all...
    Nailed that one right on the head....good job, but you don't give a rat's ass, eh. :twisted:
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  • jasonwjasonw Posts: 424
    jasonw wrote:
    When rednecks stop dragging niggers from their pickups or bludgeoning gay teens like Matt Sheperd to death, then those open-minded people will cease to be so critical of traditional beliefs. I have relatives that bought a bunch of guns after this election because they're convinced our terrorist prsident is going to take them away and lead a crusade against decent Christians. I'm sorry, that's an idea that I'm not open-minded to because it's fucking stupid.

    Wow you took that a little far, and you know I wasn't talking about anything like that.

    I'm not saying you are, but I'm saying that it's people like that that make even 'live and let live' hippies very skeptical of traditional values. Traditional values are too often used as a weak rationalization for prejudice and rejection of any new ideas regardless of merit. The past 8 years of Dubya and the far Christian right ruling the electorate have worn down the nerves and optimism of a lot of open-minded people... they feel like they need to be a bit more aggressive about repudiating the whole "this is a country for Jesus and 50s sitcoms" way of thinking and it's lead to a lot of bitter criticism levelled at traditional and conventional ways of thinking for their narrow-mindedness and outdated ways of thinking. Some of it is justified, a lot of it is overreacting. But I don't think you can blame them, it's been a tough time for intelligence in America the last 8 years. ;)

    I totally get your point. I think I was addressing this on a little less serious level than you. I'm not saying there is anything wrong with liberal views, most of my views are liberal. What I'm saying is that a lot of people who claim to be open-minded won't even consider alternative (meaning different than their) ways of thinking. They think that their ideals make them open-minded even though they are completed closed off to considering that anyone else's ideals can be valid. I agree with you that traditioanl values are used as a weak rationalization for prejudice and rejection of any new ideas regardless of merit, but I think people use "radical" or whatever you want to call them values as a weak rationalization for prejudice and rejection of any idea that is a little more conventional regardless of merit. I think I made a mistake using the word "republican" in my original post, it was like putting blood in shark infested waters :D
  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    jasonw wrote:
    I totally get your point. I think I was addressing this on a little less serious level than you. I'm not saying there is anything wrong with liberal views, most of my views are liberal. What I'm saying is that a lot of people who claim to be open-minded won't even consider alternative (meaning different than their) ways of thinking. They think that their ideals make them open-minded even though they are completed closed off to considering that anyone else's ideals can be valid. I agree with you that traditioanl values are used as a weak rationalization for prejudice and rejection of any new ideas regardless of merit, but I think people use "radical" or whatever you want to call them values as a weak rationalization for prejudice and rejection of any idea that is a little more conventional regardless of merit. I think I made a mistake using the word "republican" in my original post, it was like putting blood in shark infested waters :D

    Yeah, you mentioned republicans and hippies, so I figured you had some specific instances in mind. Narrow-mindedness applies both ways, without a doubt. I think of some animal rights/vegetarian people that act like anyone who doesn't accept their views on the matter are monsters. So I see what you're saying. I'm not a hippie, but I am a bit sensitive to the narrow-minded thing, because I've heard a lot of rednecks act like I'm close-minded for arguing against bigotry.
  • CommyCommy Posts: 4,984
    its like punk. the music was supposed to represent an alternative, a scene for the freaks. they took it too far though, and they became all elitist about it and wouldn't let anything not truly punk (from their perspective) be accepted.

    born from an idea they weren't accepted, and they turned around and did the same thing.

    (not all punk bands, but some of the major ones)
  • milarsomilarso Posts: 1,280
    I think too often that people make the mistake of thinking "liberal" and "open-minded" are synonymous.
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    Commy wrote:
    its like punk. the music was supposed to represent an alternative, a scene for the freaks. they took it too far though, and they became all elitist about it and wouldn't let anything not truly punk (from their perspective) be accepted.

    born from an idea they weren't accepted, and they turned around and did the same thing.

    (not all punk bands, but some of the major ones)

    and the one band thats held up as the ideal for some, the sex pistols, was as manufactured a band as the spice girls. malcolm mclaren knew what he was doing and he knew who to do it with.

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  • know1know1 Posts: 6,794
    When rednecks stop dragging niggers from their pickups or bludgeoning gay teens like Matt Sheperd to death, then those open-minded people will cease to be so critical of traditional beliefs.

    Talk about a close-minded response. First of all, the things mentioned are not traditional beliefs for the vast majority of people.

    Secondly, how long ago did that stuff happen? We just elected a (so-called) black president.
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  • ajedigeckoajedigecko \m/deplorable af \m/ Posts: 2,430
    people are open-minded......if you agree with them.
    people are for free speech.....if you say what they want to hear.

    me.....i am not open-minded or for free speech. there are many aspects of our society i do not agree with and being presented from all groups of people.

    i am only for.....be considerate of others.
    live and let live...unless it violates the pearligious doctrine.
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