How is Kings of Leon up for a Grammy?
thunderDAN
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I know Grammys are a joke- but how in the hell is Only By The Night up for a Grammy? Am I missing something with this album? Don't get me wrong, I love Kings of Leon, and wish them nothing but the best- but this album was terrible. It sounded like a band that strayed from their sound and it sounds extremely involved and inflated. I could see them being given an award for any of their previous 3 albums, but why this one? I guess it pisses me off because I wished this album would flop so they would go back to their own sound and not this U2esque arena rock crap they made in 08
Someone explain what I'm missing
Someone explain what I'm missing
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Lotta KOL "fans" seem to have ditched them since they are lookin for a little mainstream success, imo.
It's obvious OBtN is better, and they deserve a Grammy nod. It was one of the best albums of 2008.
Yes, you're missing something... taste
I love their new sound, way better than their mediocre first album. It's very groovy and soulful. They've only gotten better with age.
Here is the thing though- this isn't about me hating the album because of them going mainstream. I hated it the second I listened to it the day it came out- that that wouldn't give them enough time to break out like they did. I liked Crawl and Manhattan when I heard it over the summer at the PJ shows- but the album versions are far more bland than the songs I thought I loved over the summer. The album has about 3 chart chasers, 2 decent songs and a bunch of filler. I mean can anyone tell me that '17' or 'I Want You' are good songs? '17' is the worst song to every be created by them.
Yeah sorry. I really didn't mean that comment about hating them b/c they have gone mainstream to be aimed at you. It just seems to be the general feel I have gotten lately. I actually agree with you 100% about the fillers. KOL seem to write songs and not albums. I think Cold Dessert, Closer, Crawl a couple of other are amazing and they are a great live band but all their albums have had fillers. That being said, I still think they are a better band than they were a few years ago. Grammy worthy, probably not but can you really tell me that the other bands that were nominated deserved it any more than they did?
Also, Kid Rock is up for the same award so.....
It also troubles me to see such a great band being turned into a flavor of the month type of band. I mean, when the new album was about to come or just as it came out they were in Rolling Stone talking about how they haven't had the same success in the US as they had had in Europe and then they were on SNL.....it seems like they -- whether through crafty marketing or whatever -- suddenly were a great band and the critics were championing their rise to superstardom. Well, when an absolutely unbelieveable album like Manhood gets zero press or praise in the US and then a very mediocre album like OBtN is treated as one of the biggest things since sliced bread it fuckin bothers me....they should have been huge five years ago is what I am saying. I do believe they have sacrificed some of their musical integrity (and definitely their image integrity) for the sake of selling albums. I never say any band has "sold out" because I think that is an absolutely stupid thing to say, but I do wish they had remained more true to the initial path they appeared to be on.
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Yes, you're missing something... taste
I love their new sound, way better than their mediocre first album. It's very groovy and soulful. They've only gotten better with age.[/quote]
See, I am the opposite....to me they started out a rock n roll band and now they are leaning in the direction of a poppy hardly rock band. I don't hate them and OBtN is in my top 10 from 2008 but it ain't my KoL.
I tend to think the grammy's are a fuckin' joke -- which is quite obviously true -- and them being nominated means nothing to me. I personally rank OBtN third in their catalogue ahead of only Aha Shake Heartbreak
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so much for taste.....
And, I tried to make clear that the way they dress now hasn't hindered my appreciation of them in any way, I just think that change was a sign of where they were/are heading musically.....which was/is away from being the bad ass rock n roll band they started out as. To you OBtN is an album that shows their evolution but I just don't see it that way from where I stand. If they are evolving I don't like the direction they are going
On a side note, there is a question/answer interview with Caleb in the newest Rolling Stone....he talks about how pissed off he was when he heard MMJ did "It Makes No Difference" with Eddie because they beat KoL to the punch
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Ok then I was wrong
Referenced only as "Angelo" on the album credits, Angelo Petraglia has been described as the “5th member” of Kings of Leon, the critically acclaimed Nashville band that's emerging as one of the greatest rock and roll bands of the 21st century. As a co-writer on the initial EP Holy Roller Novocaine (2003) and the breakout debut LP Youth and Young Manhood (2003), there’s been speculation that Angelo “created” the Kings, and some critics have gone so far as to claim that Youth and Young Manhood was nothing more than the product of a major label’s marketing department.
Sitting comfortably in his living room where most of the writing for Youth and Young Manhood took place, Angelo clarified that the initial introduction to singer/guitarist Caleb and drummer Nathan Followill was through his publishing company―as potential songwriting partners.
“There was a misconception from the beginning,” explains Angelo, “where some people thought this band was put together, which is so untrue. I mean these guys have so much talent, whether it was in the beginning very raw―talent is talent. To me, it was just guys that I hit it off with and dug making music with, and the writing was really cool.”
http://www.gibson.com/en-us/Lifestyle/F ... er-angelo/
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Ya! What this guy said
17 sounds like it came off of BotT, and it would be one of the better more thought out songs on that album.
Some of the gripes I have heard about OBtN
"It's so predictable"- what the fuck does that even mean? For the gripers that say this, did you know how the album was gonna sound and when all the changes in the songs were coming? It's a statement I don't understand.
"It sounds so much different from their older stuff"- the same people will slag on a band for making the same album over and over. I'm not a fan of the earlier stuff, b/c it doesn't have a bit of originality. I heard their 1st few albums when they came out and was bored. It's their newer direction that hooked me. And does it really sound much different from BotT?
"Look at the way they dress"- though not as much around here, it has been mentioned. Who gives a crap what a band wears? Has nothin to do with music. So, they like to dress kinda girly? Who cares?
the industry realizes that kol are finally being recognized as a certifiable band and this is their fourth album.
the grammy's really just are a social thing and are just to help the record industry.
i mean coldplay, a band that has admitted to clearly plagiarizing other artists' work, is up for and probably going to win a bunch of grammy's.
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Silverchair has become more poppy with every album. I love them, but let's be honest. They're not exactly Frank Zappa. Integrity is such a bullshit, subjective term. Pearl Jam is having their classic album reissued because their new material is always weak, and they're having Verizon sponsor it. But KoL are the ones with integrity problems because their newest album is more listenable and catchy than their mediocre garage rock early stuff? Give me a fucking break...
As to a bunch of girls as fans... personally, I'm damned happy to go to a show and see some eye candy now and again. There are worse fates than a show with a bunch of hot young women scandalously clad, as I found out at the KoL show on Halloween (18 and older, sold out show btw). It's a nice change from the 75% former frat member crowd at your usual Pearl Jam show.
God I hate indie snobs that whine about their pet groups selling out when their music evolves beyond high school talent show quality.
1. Every argument you just used was levelled at Pearl Jam when grunge was the flavor of the moment. It has as much merit now as it did then.
2. Manhood was co-written by a producer, so if they ever were carefully targeting their image, it was then. The songs are all theirs now. You may not like their direction, but you not liking it is not proof that they are targeting a teeny-bopper crowd.
3. Word of mouth and buzz usually builds slow, thus why the band got no recognition for Manhood and is now coming into its own. Pearl Jam's success with Ten is the exception, not the rule.
4. Pearl Jam makes you pay to post on their message board and is rereleasing their biggest album with all sorts of double-dipping features, all sponsored by Verizon. And here you post on their board talking about how KoL's integrity is subject because their songs have better singing and choruses than they did on their first album?
Like I said before..I never say any band has sold out for any reason, so that's not my issue. My issue with OBtN is simply that it isn't where I saw them going -- which doesn't matter in the least -- but it certainly smells like it was popped up in order to make a splash here in the states...especially when Rolling Stone had an article about how they so hoped to sell more albums here
They say every sin is deadly but I believe they may be wrong...I'm guilty of all seven and I don't feel too bad at all
That's a pretty disingenious argument... you claim that you never say a band has sold out, but then repeatedly post about how they are targeting teeny-boppers and have sacrificed their musical integrity for financial gain. Tell me then... what's the difference between what you've said and selling out?
I don't hesitate to call sell out when I see it. Case in point: the Who's most recent (I think 35th) best of compilation has a big sticker saying "featuring "Bargain" as heard on the Nissan commercial." That's selling out. KoL growing up into the mainstream is not. Just because you're too cool for pop music doesn't make you the measure of what it means to have integrity, no matter how much Pitchfork tries to tell you otherwise.
1. I have no argument with that
2. If they weren't targeting a teeny-bopper crowd they certainly did so even if it was dumb luck...me thinks not though
3. They are darlings of the press and the press more than anything is the reason why OBtN has gotten any recognition at all. If not for the build-up to its release it would have also sold poorly here in the states just like the others. There is no word of mouth involved in their sudden popularity, but there was plenty of hype
4. PJ in my book has never altered its image in the name of album sells, am I wrong? If KoL's image was being carefully crafted from the beginning then why didn't they were fancy boy clothes and hair cuts back then? Certainly a record company willing to take the time to craft an image for them wouldn't have had them running around in plain old t-shirts.
And again...PJ or any other band can do whatever they want with their music and sell it in any way they see fit. Perhaps PJ has taken a turn toward the money, but I care not as long as they don't turn into a pop band you will see in the #1 spot on VH1s Top 20 countdown every week.
They say every sin is deadly but I believe they may be wrong...I'm guilty of all seven and I don't feel too bad at all
I don't hesitate to call sell out when I see it. Case in point: the Who's most recent (I think 35th) best of compilation has a big sticker saying "featuring "Bargain" as heard on the Nissan commercial." That's selling out. KoL growing up into the mainstream is not. Just because you're too cool for pop music doesn't make you the measure of what it means to have integrity, no matter how much Pitchfork tries to tell you otherwise.[/quote]
I simply don't use the term sold out because they can damn well do what they want to do and I as a fan have no say in that. I don't, however, have to like it when I see what I believe wholeheartedly to be a change in style and image with selling more records in mind
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