More change to believe in!! (re: afghanistan and pakistan)

DPrival78

more war, more deaths, more wasted money from another establishment stooge installed as president.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jan/25/obama-airstrikes-pakistan


Obama administration warns public to expect rise in US casualties
• US forces to step up operations in Afghanistan and Pakistan
• Pakistani president tells US ambassador strikes 'do not help war on terror'

The Obama administration warned the US public yesterday to brace itself for an increase in American casualties as it prepares to step up the fight against al-Qaida and the Taliban in Afghanistan and the border regions of Pakistan.

Against a background of widespread protests in Pakistan and Afghanistan over US operations since Obama became president, the vice-president, Joe Biden, said yesterday that US forces would be engaged in many more operations as the US takes the fight to its enemies in the region.

The Obama administration is to double the number of US troops in Afghanistan to 60,000 and when asked in a television interview if the US public should expect more American casualties, Biden said: "I hate to say it, but yes, I think there will be. There will be an uptick."

(more at link)

mickeyrat

we should have done this from the beginning. F'n Iraq linked to AL Queda. right.

DriftingByTheStorm

mickeyrat wrote:

we should have done this from the beginning. F'n Iraq linked to AL Queda. right.

Yup.
And at least Russia already gave us a good model to follow in Afghanistan.


You could ask Obama's buddy Zbigniew Brzezinski about how that went.
[link is to "Al Qaeda Doesn't Exist", a short documentary about the formation of fundamentalist Islamic mercenary forces, trained and funded by the US Government]

soulsinging

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

mickeyrat wrote:

we should have done this from the beginning. F'n Iraq linked to AL Queda. right.

Yup.
And at least Russia already gave us a good model to follow in Afghanistan.


You could ask Obama's buddy Zbigniew Brzezinski about how that went.
[link is to "Al Qaeda Doesn't Exist", a short documentary about the formation of fundamentalist Islamic mercenary forces, trained and funded by the US Government]

Russia would have been just fine in Afghan if we hadn't armed, trained, and funded Bin Laden and other fundamentalists in the first place. I'm not sure I see your point.

As to change... this is exactly what Obama said he'd do his whole campaign... are you surprised?

DriftingByTheStorm

soulsinging wrote:

Russia would have been just fine in Afghan if we hadn't armed, trained, and funded Bin Laden and other fundamentalists in the first place. I'm not sure I see your point.

Thats why i posted the link, which explains that in detail.
i was more or less just being a wise ass.

And no i'm not suprised in the SLIGHTEST.

decides2dream

soulsinging wrote:

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

mickeyrat wrote:

we should have done this from the beginning. F'n Iraq linked to AL Queda. right.

Yup.
And at least Russia already gave us a good model to follow in Afghanistan.


You could ask Obama's buddy Zbigniew Brzezinski about how that went.
[link is to "Al Qaeda Doesn't Exist", a short documentary about the formation of fundamentalist Islamic mercenary forces, trained and funded by the US Government]

Russia would have been just fine in Afghan if we hadn't armed, trained, and funded Bin Laden and other fundamentalists in the first place. I'm not sure I see your point.

As to change... this is exactly what Obama said he'd do his whole campaign... are you surprised?

wasn't that the flick charlie wilson's war?
good movie. guess we were so focused on 'beating' the russians, didn't realize what we were getting ourselves involved in. typical.

Cosmo

In my opinion... Afghanistan was the right place to take on Global Terrorist Networks, such as Al Qaeda. The Taliban government (originally set up by Pakistan, after the Soviet Union withdrew its troops) openly ran terrorist trainning camps. We should have focused on Afghanistan and never gotten into Iraq.
Iraq was a pet project by the Bush Administration. They wanted an excuse to go there, so they sold it to us as a 'War on Terror'. They got that excuse on September 11, 2001. It was a 'War On Saddam Hussein'.
Since we shifted focus away from Afghanistan, we have allowed Al Qaeda to remain. We created an alliance with Pakistan and funneled millions of tax payer dollars to the nation that set-up the Taliban and supports Al Qaeda... maybe not openly, but when you consider the most popular name for new born males in Pakistan is Usama... you'd think we'd take that as a clue.
With Iraq... we have lost our support from our NATO Allies who were with us in Afghanistan. We need to mend those relationships and convince the world that a concentrated effort to get Afghanistan up and running 100% is a good thing for all nations.
This past election was a choice between killing Muslims in Iraq... or killing Muslims in Afghanistan. I am not anti-War, I am anti-War Of Choosing, not of Necessity.
Finally, to the people complaining about War in Afghanistan... what is your solution?

tybird

Cosmo wrote:

In my opinion... Afghanistan was the right place to take on Global Terrorist Networks, such as Al Qaeda. The Taliban government (originally set up by Pakistan, after the Soviet Union withdrew its troops) openly ran terrorist trainning camps. We should have focused on Afghanistan and never gotten into Iraq.
Iraq was a pet project by the Bush Administration. They wanted an excuse to go there, so they sold it to us as a 'War on Terror'. They got that excuse on September 11, 2001. It was a 'War On Saddam Hussein'.
Since we shifted focus away from Afghanistan, we have allowed Al Qaeda to remain. We created an alliance with Pakistan and funneled millions of tax payer dollars to the nation that set-up the Taliban and supports Al Qaeda... maybe not openly, but when you consider the most popular name for new born males in Pakistan is Usama... you'd think we'd take that as a clue.
With Iraq... we have lost our support from our NATO Allies who were with us in Afghanistan. We need to mend those relationships and convince the world that a concentrated effort to get Afghanistan up and running 100% is a good thing for all nations.
This past election was a choice between killing Muslims in Iraq... or killing Muslims in Afghanistan. I am not anti-War, I am anti-War Of Choosing, not of Necessity.
Finally, to the people complaining about War in Afghanistan... what is your solution?

Agreed, Iraq was the problem nor was it the answer to removing some of the instability from the world scene. It, the invasion of Iraq, probably has created more questions or issues than issues that were resolved from it. Afghanistan was the keystone....clean out the Taliban and concentrate on getting Pakistan to stop backing terrorists....that should have been the plan...not the great oil and money grab that we got.

Flutter Girl

Attacking creates more hate. More hate causes more people to take al Qaedas side. American's building schools works. The people learn we don't hate them, we want to help. We provide an alternative to al Qaeda-run madrassas. And the children grow up to have a better quality of life, a wonderful side effect of good education..

Donate to the CAI who build's schools in Pakistan and Afghanistan and has already accomplished getting thousand's to understand we are not against them-

http://www.ikat.org

tybird

RM291946 wrote:

Attacking creates more hate. More hate causes more people to take al Qaedas side. American's building schools works. The people learn we don't hate them, we want to help. We provide an alternative to al Qaeda-run madrassas. And the children grow up to have a better quality of life, a wonderful side effect of good education..

Donate to the CAI who build's schools in Pakistan and Afghanistan and has already accomplished getting thousand's to understand we are not against them-

http://www.ikat.org

True, I left off the phrase "nation building/rebuilding from my earlier post....it's not all about tanks and bombs.