President Obama FOR EVER. No More Term Limits?
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Earlier this month, Rep. Jose Serrano, D-N.Y. introduced H. J. Res. 5, a bill that would repeal the Constitution’s 22nd Amendment prohibiting a president from being elected to more than two terms in office
Democratic New York Congressman, Jose Serrano, introduced a bill to congress on January 6th proposing the REPEAL OF THE 22nd AMENDMENT.
HERE IS THE BILL
This would end a tradition symbolic of the limits to power that our constitution originaly imposed on the federal government and leave the door open for a populist dictatorship to entrench itself in the executive.
Thomas Jefferson was probably the most outspoken advocate of term limits amongst our founding fathers (and was, privately, probably the most anti-authoritarian of our founders in general), and had this to say:
In 1805:
“General Washington set the example of voluntary retirement after eight years, I shall follow it, and a few more precedents will oppose the obstacle of habit to anyone after a while who shall endeavor to extend his term. Perhaps it may beget a disposition to establish it by an amendment of the Constitution.”
And More Forcefully In 1807:
"if some termination to the services of the chief Magistrate be not fixed by the Constitution, or supplied by practice, his office, nominally four years, will in fact become for life."
What do people on this board think about such a bill?
How do you feel, not only about the intent and implications of repealing the 22nd amendment generally,
but also about the timing of the introduction of this bill, specifically?
I mean, do you see this being some sort of set up for "King Obama The Great" to rule indefinitely?
Democratic New York Congressman, Jose Serrano, introduced a bill to congress on January 6th proposing the REPEAL OF THE 22nd AMENDMENT.
HERE IS THE BILL
This would end a tradition symbolic of the limits to power that our constitution originaly imposed on the federal government and leave the door open for a populist dictatorship to entrench itself in the executive.
Thomas Jefferson was probably the most outspoken advocate of term limits amongst our founding fathers (and was, privately, probably the most anti-authoritarian of our founders in general), and had this to say:
In 1805:
“General Washington set the example of voluntary retirement after eight years, I shall follow it, and a few more precedents will oppose the obstacle of habit to anyone after a while who shall endeavor to extend his term. Perhaps it may beget a disposition to establish it by an amendment of the Constitution.”
And More Forcefully In 1807:
"if some termination to the services of the chief Magistrate be not fixed by the Constitution, or supplied by practice, his office, nominally four years, will in fact become for life."
What do people on this board think about such a bill?
How do you feel, not only about the intent and implications of repealing the 22nd amendment generally,
but also about the timing of the introduction of this bill, specifically?
I mean, do you see this being some sort of set up for "King Obama The Great" to rule indefinitely?
If I was to smile and I held out my hand
If I opened it now would you not understand?
If I opened it now would you not understand?
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It won't happen Drifting. Don't worry.
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was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
From Congressman Serrano's Biography
He doesn't appear to be very fringe to me.
Subcommittee Chairman, and member of Appropriations Committee are pretty heady roles.
If I opened it now would you not understand?
I'm not saying that he's fringe (I know nothing about him), but anyone who is concerned about this bill actually having a chance in hell of even coming to a vote (let alone passing) has got to be a bit out there.
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
I have a sneaking suspicion this bill is similar to the one put up every year for mandatory military service or resurrecting the draft or whatever that one does... ie. it's more about making a political point than any desire to actually enact the legislation in question.
it won't happen, and i don't think it's any ploy for obama to be president supreme for life. but that's just me. :P
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
POTUS - 2, 4 year terms
Sentate - 1, 6 year term
House - 2, 2 year terms
These people are career politicians at this point. If they understand that they have to actually get out and work after they yay or nay bills they will see the affect of them. The problem we have with a lot of our Reps is that they are in there forever or at least it seems that way. Do your job and leave. Not to mention with some new blood in there we maybe able to get some real changes made.
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I think we need longer terms too though. Those limits were set when people didn't live long and the country was comparatively small and easy to manage. I say:
POTUS- 1 6-year term
Senate- 2 9-year terms
House- 3 3-year terms
http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html#Am22
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I have to disagree with the Senate terms. Thats too long, maybe 2, 5 years terms?
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Their terms are 6-years now... you want to decrease it? Part of the design was that the House was supposed to be a very populist and high turnover body and the Senate was intended to be a more moderate, longview body. Maybe 9 years is long... I kinda liked the neatness of keeping them proportional. But I think 6 years has to be the minimum.
Granted I'm probably exaggerating a bit, but sometimes it seems all you ever hear are the same several last names popping up.
Caroline Kennedy comes to mind at this point, lets home little Chelsea doesn't take this route.
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honestly I think my problem is that they stay in there for a really long time. I think the longer they are in the further from the people they tend to get. I would say a lot have high hopes when they get into the House or Senate but those hopes get crushed by the Veterans.
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Yeah, to me, all signs are pointing to the preparations of Chelsea taking over the family politics when the spotlight is open.
You know what i admire most about FDR?
He may have fucked some things up, but he was still an honest man on paper.
Maybe he got corrupted, or was an unwitting dupe, in his capacity as president -- tainted by a system that could bend almost any many of his will.
BUT HE WAS AWARE OF THAT FACT, AND MADE A DELIBERATE EFFORT TO "REPENT" FOR HIS TRANSGRESSIONS BY WAY OF HIS WRITINGS:
"The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial
element in the large centers has owned the government of the U.S. since
the days of Andrew Jackson. History depicts Andrew Jackson as the last
truly honorable and incorruptible American president." - 11\21\33, Letter to Col. Mandell House
Warning of Vigilance Over Government:
"The only sure bulwark of continuing liberty is a government
strong enough to protect the interests of the people, and
a people strong enough and well enough informed to maintain
its sovereign control over the government."
Warning Desperately Against a "New Order" (this quote is even on his memorial in DC!):
"They who seek to establish systems of government based on the regimentation of all human beings by a handful of individual rulers call this new order. This is not new and it is not order."
There are a half dozen other choice quotes,
but as i have said, the point is, for all of what i perceive as his faults during his presidency, i admire him greatly for his honesty in posterity.
If I opened it now would you not understand?
I would love to have your knowledge of Civics.
It's a mixed blessing... often it's kind of infuriating to see how far we've strayed from how things were intended to be.