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Stu42Stu42 Posts: 178
edited January 2009 in Other Music
Why does this band get so much hate? Hear it all the time online, quite a few people i know (even pj fans) despise them, and I've seen 'em bashed on the old forums quite a few times. One of my favorite bands though, does some great blues-punk and garage rock, they put on an awesome live show, even mccready like 'em! So whats with the hate?
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  • Hitch-HikerHitch-Hiker Posts: 2,873
    I like 'em, but they're kinda one trick ponies tbh. Jack White is an incredible guitarist, but the White Stripes for me just get boring quickly.
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  • JaneNYJaneNY Posts: 4,438
    No hate here. I think they're good.
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  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    Stu42 wrote:
    Why does this band get so much hate? Hear it all the time online, quite a few people i know (even pj fans) despise them, and I've seen 'em bashed on the old forums quite a few times. One of my favorite bands though, does some great blues-punk and garage rock, they put on an awesome live show, even mccready like 'em! So whats with the hate?

    It's not so much hate as a response to the hype. They're a decent enough band and sure Jack White's a good guitarist. But to hear the way the critics talk about them, he's the next Beatles. Come on... his songs aren't THAT great. They're a good bluesy garage rock band, but no more, no less. Nothing he's doing is particularly new or compelling. So why does he get his ass kissed more than anyone outside Radiohead? That's why I might come off as "hating" the band... because they're barely above average and it's annoying to hear everyone tripping over themselves to pop wood every time Jack White's name is mentioned.
  • JS183670JS183670 Posts: 18
    Could it be the drummer? :P
  • ZosoCatZosoCat Posts: 176
    I love this band but over the past couple years have preferred Jack White's other band.. Obviously just with meg white it can't go too mnay other places but Brendan Benson etc. are a way better fir for him.
  • tybirdtybird Posts: 17,388
    soulsinging wrote:
    Stu42 wrote:
    Why does this band get so much hate? Hear it all the time online, quite a few people i know (even pj fans) despise them, and I've seen 'em bashed on the old forums quite a few times. One of my favorite bands though, does some great blues-punk and garage rock, they put on an awesome live show, even mccready like 'em! So whats with the hate?

    It's not so much hate as a response to the hype. They're a decent enough band and sure Jack White's a good guitarist. But to hear the way the critics talk about them, he's the next Beatles. Come on... his songs aren't THAT great. They're a good bluesy garage rock band, but no more, no less. Nothing he's doing is particularly new or compelling. So why does he get his ass kissed more than anyone outside Radiohead? That's why I might come off as "hating" the band... because they're barely above average and it's annoying to hear everyone tripping over themselves to pop wood every time Jack White's name is mentioned.
    Well stated...and accurate IMHO 8-)
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  • WobbieWobbie Posts: 30,638
    soulsinging wrote:

    It's not so much hate as a response to the hype. They're a decent enough band and sure Jack White's a good guitarist. But to hear the way the critics talk about them, he's the next Beatles. Come on... his songs aren't THAT great. They're a good bluesy garage rock band, but no more, no less. Nothing he's doing is particularly new or compelling. So why does he get his ass kissed more than anyone outside Radiohead? That's why I might come off as "hating" the band... because they're barely above average and it's annoying to hear everyone tripping over themselves to pop wood every time Jack White's name is mentioned.
    What he said. :mrgreen:
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  • JonnyPistachioJonnyPistachio Florida Posts: 10,219
    I was just revisiting their DVD over the weekend, and i ususally NEVER would make this kind of comparison, but at times Jack White really reminded me of Robert Plant singing.
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  • DewieCoxDewieCox Posts: 11,430
    One trick pony? Sure they keep it pretty basic, but that's not accurate. Admittedly most of their music comes from the same place, but they have plenty of songs that aren't necessarily the WS sound. GBMS in particular.

    Thought the new Raconteurs albums was boring compared to the last 2 WS albums. Broken Boy Soldiers was pretty solid though. I always thought if White got a solid band behind him, they would destroy the White Stripes. IMO, that's not the case.
  • boxwine_in_hellboxwine_in_hell Posts: 1,263
    No hate here. I think they're amazing.
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  • PJGARDENPJGARDEN Posts: 1,484
    soulsinging wrote:
    Stu42 wrote:
    Why does this band get so much hate? Hear it all the time online, quite a few people i know (even pj fans) despise them, and I've seen 'em bashed on the old forums quite a few times. One of my favorite bands though, does some great blues-punk and garage rock, they put on an awesome live show, even mccready like 'em! So whats with the hate?

    It's not so much hate as a response to the hype. They're a decent enough band and sure Jack White's a good guitarist. But to hear the way the critics talk about them, he's the next Beatles. Come on... his songs aren't THAT great. They're a good bluesy garage rock band, but no more, no less. Nothing he's doing is particularly new or compelling. So why does he get his ass kissed more than anyone outside Radiohead? That's why I might come off as "hating" the band... because they're barely above average and it's annoying to hear everyone tripping over themselves to pop wood every time Jack White's name is mentioned.

    What he said! There are way too many good bands out for these guys to get so much attention.
  • libragirllibragirl Posts: 4,632
    Wasn't there supposed to be a new album? I have mixed feeling about the last album. I wasn't really feeling it. But Elephant is a classic to me. :)
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  • boxwine_in_hellboxwine_in_hell Posts: 1,263
    Here's the deal with the White Stripes. If you want deep, Dylanesque or Vedderesque lyrics then you're going to be really disappointed. If you want primordial, kick ass riffs and that relentless bass drumming then they're pretty damn solid. I mean seriously Jack White is a one man riff machine. Dude is incredible and might be the best slide guitar player I've seen in a really long time. It's kind of a lost art form and he does it proud. Some fans get caught up with the perception that their ealy stuff was better, personally I thought Icky Thump was one of the best albums to come out that year.
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  • Thorns2010Thorns2010 Posts: 2,201
    The vibe I've gotten from my friends is that they don't like Meg. They all enjoy Jack, but the drumming isn't anything special or overly difficult.
  • FirecloudFirecloud Posts: 516
    edited January 2009
    As I've said before, it may be a cliche, but that doesn’t make it untrue: to fully appreciate the White Stripes, you’ve gotta see them live. On a bad night, Jack White’s a six-string demon waist-deep in delta blues- but when he catches fire onstage, there’s no stopping the guy as he tears off solo after squealing, stuttering, frantic solo, throwing verses from other songs into the mix and generally acting like a man possessed. Their Coachella set in 2003 changed my life, due in no small part to the fact that Jack was furious that he couldn’t hear himself in the monitors, and channeled his frustrations into a jaw-droppingly blistering performance that easily ranks among the top live shows I’ve ever seen.

    That first live performance of Death Letter was truly a spiritual moment - it was like what going to church should feel like.
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  • 12345AGNST112345AGNST1 Posts: 4,906
    I don't like them solely because of the drumming. Not only is she a terrible drummer, (or atleast she plays terribly with him) but the drum sound is awful. I don't feel like hearing her pounding on the crash as if thats her only cymbal.

    Oh....and there's no bassist. that could mean something.
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  • FirecloudFirecloud Posts: 516
    12345AGNST1 wrote:
    I don't like them solely because of the drumming. Not only is she a terrible drummer, (or atleast she plays terribly with him) but the drum sound is awful. I don't feel like hearing her pounding on the crash as if thats her only cymbal.

    Oh....and there's no bassist. that could mean something.

    What the hell could it mean? I'll tell you: Jack doesn't write a setlist before he goes onstage. He plays with his gut, from his heart, and throws segments of other songs into what he's playing. It would be absolutely impossible for a bassist to keep up. What he needs is someone to keep a beat - it's as simple as that. He wasn't looking for dynamics and prowess. The White Stripes is about 93% Jack - Meg is a novelty, just someone on board to make sure that Jack doesn't fall out of time while he's thrashing around like a live-wire blues demon.

    That's what makes the Raconteurs so refreshing - Jack has the full band treatment, and takes on an entirely different musical identity within a group than he does in the Stripes.

    I've got a feeling 2009's going to be a big one for Jack.
  • dunkmandunkman Posts: 19,646
    Firecloud wrote:
    That first live performance of Death Letter was truly a spiritual moment - it was like what going to church shouldfeel like.

    nice posts :)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gs-E_pVTDaQ

    fucking amazing player...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6WVD3PqeNY

    the 2nd one is insane.
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • FirecloudFirecloud Posts: 516
    2nd one "doesn't work in my country" but the first is a perfect example of what I'm talking about.
    Fuck yeah.
  • Random_HeroRandom_Hero Posts: 380
    i use to dump on them alot until I saw them live. Then it all changed, it was a great show!

    although I think the Black Keys are a better blues band
  • dunkmandunkman Posts: 19,646
    Firecloud wrote:
    2nd one "doesn't work in my country" but the first is a perfect example of what I'm talking about.
    Fuck yeah.


    2nd one is the clip from Conan O Brien? Let's Build A Home.... its pretty mental.
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • JonnyPistachioJonnyPistachio Florida Posts: 10,219
    Firecloud wrote:
    12345AGNST1 wrote:
    I don't like them solely because of the drumming. Not only is she a terrible drummer, (or atleast she plays terribly with him) but the drum sound is awful. I don't feel like hearing her pounding on the crash as if thats her only cymbal.

    Oh....and there's no bassist. that could mean something.

    What the hell could it mean? I'll tell you: Jack doesn't write a setlist before he goes onstage. He plays with his gut, from his heart, and throws segments of other songs into what he's playing. It would be absolutely impossible for a bassist to keep up. What he needs is someone to keep a beat - it's as simple as that. He wasn't looking for dynamics and prowess. The White Stripes is about 93% Jack - Meg is a novelty, just someone on board to make sure that Jack doesn't fall out of time while he's thrashing around like a live-wire blues demon.

    That's what makes the Raconteurs so refreshing - Jack has the full band treatment, and takes on an entirely different musical identity within a group than he does in the Stripes.

    I've got a feeling 2009's going to be a big one for Jack.

    I think Megs drumming is always under scrutiny, but I really like her playing and how it compliments the open-ness of the music. I didnt know they didnt do setlists, so it's even more impressive.
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  • Get_RightGet_Right Posts: 13,498
    Hitch-Hiker wrote:
    I like 'em, but they're kinda one trick ponies tbh. Jack White is an incredible guitarist, but the White Stripes for me just get boring quickly.

    same here
    I respect his talent, but I just dont get into the music that much
    Raconteurs are better IMHO
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