LOST: Season 5

pjsteelerfan

I am curious as to who the people on the plane work for- Widmore? Dharma? It does not seem like Ben. I do think he is really surprised that Locke is alive though.

Solat13

pjsteelerfan wrote:

I am curious as to who the people on the plane work for- Widmore? Dharma? It does not seem like Ben. I do think he is really surprised that Locke is alive though.

Ilana told Sayid she works for the family of Mr. Avellino who Sayid killed on the golf course. Mr. Avellino was on the list of people that Ben had prepared for Sayid to kill who were associates of Widmore so if I had to guess Ilana is still working for Widmore.

Here's a theory - Widmore has Mrs. Hawkins contact info. After he got the call from Ben on the dock that he was going back to the island - Widmore contacted Hawkins and made some arrangements of his own for flight 316.

pjsteelerfan

Solat13 wrote:

pjsteelerfan wrote:

I am curious as to who the people on the plane work for- Widmore? Dharma? It does not seem like Ben. I do think he is really surprised that Locke is alive though.

Ilana told Sayid she works for the family of Mr. Avellino who Sayid killed on the golf course. Mr. Avellino was on the list of people that Ben had prepared for Sayid to kill who were associates of Widmore so if I had to guess Ilana is still working for Widmore.

Here's a theory - Widmore has Mrs. Hawkins contact info. After he got the call from Ben on the dock that he was going back to the island - Widmore contacted Hawkins and made some arrangements of his own for flight 316.

I thought Widmore too, but with this show who knows. It seems a lot of people were on the plane for the same reason- hence the password phrase. It may be that a lot pf people wanted Ben off that Island.

Riverrunner

I don't know why, but I just didn't get into this episode like some of the previous ones.

Question: I am a little confused about the timeline of when Ben took Alex. Was this after he killed all of the Dharma folk? I would think so since he is living with the Others. If that is the case, then why are they still in tents and not at the Dharma village?


Question: I can't figure out how the "infection" ties in. Danielle's group got "infected" when they went into the temple. When they came out they wanted to kill everyone? each other? or just Danielle? Does the smoke monster a/k/a the island want Danielle dead? Is that why Ben was sent to kill her? Is the infection really just instructions from Smokey to kill somebody?

pjsteelerfan

Riverrunner wrote:

I don't know why, but I just didn't get into this episode like some of the previous ones.

Question: I am a little confused about the timeline of when Ben took Alex. Was this after he killed all of the Dharma folk? I would think so since he is living with the Others. If that is the case, then why are they still in tents and not at the Dharma village?


Question: I can't figure out how the "infection" ties in. Danielle's group got "infected" when they went into the temple. When they came out they wanted to kill everyone? each other? or just Danielle? Does the smoke monster a/k/a the island want Danielle dead? Is that why Ben was sent to kill her? Is the infection really just instructions from Smokey to kill somebody?

As to the first question- I think it is after the purge since Locke did mention it was Ben that convinced the Others to move into the village later on.

I assume that the Infection has something to do with the Monster- maybe they will explain that later on.

OneTooFree

i'm starting to think it's not Tawaret, but Khonsu

[url=http://www.ancientegyptonline.co.uk/khonsu.html]AncientEgyptOnline.com[/url] wrote:

Khonsu

Khonsu (Khons, Chons, Khensu) was a god of the moon and time. His cult center was at Thebes where he was part of a triad with Amun and Mut. He was one of the companions of Thoth (who was also associated with the moon and the measurement of time). It was thought that he could influence the fertility of both the people and their livestock and one myth (recorded on the walls of the Ptolemaic temple of Khonsu at Karnak) gives him a prominent role in the creation of the universe. He was also revered as a god of healing, as is recorded in the story of the "Princess of Bekheten". It was said that he personally healed the pharaoh Ptolemy IV (who took the epithet "beloved of Khonsu who protects the king and drives away evil spirits" in thanks for the gods help) and he was also thought to extend his protection to the common people. As a result, many Egyptians were named after him.

However, he also had a darker side. During the early part of Egyptian history, Khonsu seems to have been considered to be a violent and dangerous god. He appears in the "Cannibal hymn" (part of the Pyramid Texts) as a blood-thirsty deity who helps the deceased king to catch and eat the other gods and the Coffin Texts describe him as "Khonsu who lives on hearts". Yet, by the New Kingdom he was worshipped primarily as the gentle and compassionate son of Amun and Mut.

57Goldtop

Ok, a few things.

The sub originally belonged to the Dharma peeps, right?

After "the purge", the Others started to use it. When did Ben take Alex and when did Widmore get banished? Widmore had to get banished after they killed the DI people because the Others were using the Sub.

How did the others come and go randomly from the island before they had the sub?

I have to know so bad who the Others are and how they got there.

Did anybody else think the whole smoke monster thing with Ben standing there was just lame?

What is up with all the Hieroglyphics in the temple?

I think Ben and Charles are both very bad men. Ben is just a liar. When he told Sun that he was scared out of his mind about John, that was crap. I hope this show really goes somewhere. Only about 4 episodes and one more season left. We better get some answers.

pjsteelerfan

FuzzyDunlop wrote:

i'm starting to think it's not Tawaret, but Khonsu

[url=http://www.ancientegyptonline.co.uk/khonsu.html]AncientEgyptOnline.com[/url] wrote:

Khonsu

Khonsu (Khons, Chons, Khensu) was a god of the moon and time. His cult center was at Thebes where he was part of a triad with Amun and Mut. He was one of the companions of Thoth (who was also associated with the moon and the measurement of time). It was thought that he could influence the fertility of both the people and their livestock and one myth (recorded on the walls of the Ptolemaic temple of Khonsu at Karnak) gives him a prominent role in the creation of the universe. He was also revered as a god of healing, as is recorded in the story of the "Princess of Bekheten". It was said that he personally healed the pharaoh Ptolemy IV (who took the epithet "beloved of Khonsu who protects the king and drives away evil spirits" in thanks for the gods help) and he was also thought to extend his protection to the common people. As a result, many Egyptians were named after him.

However, he also had a darker side. During the early part of Egyptian history, Khonsu seems to have been considered to be a violent and dangerous god. He appears in the "Cannibal hymn" (part of the Pyramid Texts) as a blood-thirsty deity who helps the deceased king to catch and eat the other gods and the Coffin Texts describe him as "Khonsu who lives on hearts". Yet, by the New Kingdom he was worshipped primarily as the gentle and compassionate son of Amun and Mut.

I think your were right about Anubis

Riverrunner

57Goldtop wrote:

Did anybody else think the whole smoke monster thing with Ben standing there was just lame?

Yes.

57Goldtop wrote:

I think Ben and Charles are both very bad men.

I agree.

OneTooFree

57Goldtop wrote:

After "the purge", the Others started to use it. When did Ben take Alex and when did Widmore get banished? Widmore had to get banished after they killed the DI people because the Others were using the Sub.

Ben took Alex after the purge as well

57Goldtop wrote:

How did the others come and go randomly from the island before they had the sub?

who says they did leave?

57Goldtop wrote:

Did anybody else think the whole smoke monster thing with Ben standing there was just lame?

at first, yes... then "Alex" showed up :twisted:

57Goldtop wrote:

What is up with all the Hieroglyphics in the temple?

there are ties between Ancient Egypt & Atlantis :shock:

Riverrunner

"FuzzyDunlop wrote:

who says they did leave?

Richard Alpert was there when Locke was born in the 50's or maybe in 1949, and then again when Locke was a little boy.

OneTooFree

another cool Egyptian god to look into: Thoth

[url=http://www.ancientegyptonline.co.uk/thoth.html]AncientEgyptOnline.com[/url] wrote:

...It was also thought that Ra gave Thoth and area of the underworld to rule in the "Land of the Caves", He kept a register of those in his realm and decreed just punishments for their transgressions and acted as Ra´s representative in the afterlife. In this role, his wife was Ma´at.

It was said that he was the author of the spells in the "Book of the Dead" and "Book of Breathings" (which was also attributed to Isis) and he was given the grand title, the "Author of Every Work on Every Branch of Knowledge, Both Human and Divine". Egyptian mythology speaks of the "Book of Thoth" in which the god inscribed all of the secrets of the universe. Anyone who read it would become the most powerful sorcerer in the world, but would be cursed by their knowledge. Needless to say, people have been searching for this text despite the warning, and some more "colourful" theories propose that it is hidden in a secret chamber in or near the Great Pyramid. This book is said by some to be the "emerald tablets of Thoth" a work of dubious authenticity which suggests that Thoth and the other gods were from Atlantis.

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As Thoth was associated with writing and with the moon it is perhaps unsurprising that he was also linked to the creation of the calendar. As his association with the moon waned, he developed into a god of wisdom, magic and the measurement of time.Similarly he was considered to measure and record time. He was known by the epithets; "the One who Made Calculations Concerning the Heavens, the Stars and the Earth", "the Reckoner of Time and of Seasons" and "the one who Measured out the Heavens and Planned the Earth".

pjsteelerfan

Riverrunner wrote:

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There is still a lot that has not been explained about the Island. They may have used boats before.
I really hope that they do at least one episode on Richard Alperts back story. But that would probably not be until next season.

OneTooFree

Riverrunner wrote:

FuzzyDunlop wrote:

who says they did leave?

Richard Alpert was there when Locke was born in the 50's or maybe in 1949, and then again when Locke was a little boy.

oh yeah

joint in a tree

57Goldtop wrote:

Did anybody else think the whole smoke monster thing with Ben standing there was just lame?

What is up with all the Hieroglyphics in the temple?

yes, quite lame! like bad '80s movies lame!


and i dunno but i definitely saw an airplane symbol.

tvismyfriend

Anyone else feel there's more to that remark about the statue then it just being a password? I'm thinking that maybe someone from the Dharma Initiative dropped something in the water and used the statue as a marker.

mbangel10

I am really looking forward to this weeks Ack Attack recap. I have a feeling it will be more hysterical than usual. There were just too many great things in this episode for it not to be.

Who Princess

mbangel10 wrote:

I am really looking forward to this weeks Ack Attack recap. I have a feeling it will be more hysterical than usual. There were just too many great things in this episode for it not to be.

OMG you think just like I do. Seems like every episode now I'm watching and thinking about what is Ack going to do with this one. :P

battan1120

Maybe this has been asked before.Why has'nt Richard aged?Everyone else has.We know that he is of some importance.Its gotta tie in with Locke somehow.

Who Princess

Random thoughts:

Seems to me that this season's episodes that have had Locke in them (where he was alive and breathing, not just in a coffin) have been among the more interesting ones. In the past he's screwed up just up everything so maybe he's finally going to start getting things right.

I was a little surprised to see Caesar get shot. He seemed like he was going to be an important character, not a red shirt. Although maybe he's not dead. :?

Speaking of not dead, I'd suspected that Ben hadn't succeeded in killing Penny. If he had, he wouldn't have been beaten up like that.