As far as I know Microsoft's first involvement with Apple was to copy the GUI Apple acquired from Xerox because it made MS-DOS obsolete. Following that their was a lot of distrust between the two parties.
Microsoft developed software for Apple long before this. In fact, Office existed for Apple computers before it existed for Windows. Microsoft was working on Windows but they couldn't get their windows to overlap. They kyped this functionality from the Mac.
I was reading (on here I think) where people were saying that they have had there Macs for over ten years and they are not thinking of upgrading becuase their computers are still fast as eff.
10 years may be pushing it, but my parents bought a PowerMac G4 (Quicksilver) in 2002 and not only are they still using it, it is still extremely snappy. They never even think of upgrading. They edit videos, use iTunes/iPods, iPhoto, MS Office, etc. and love it.
I also had a Titanium PowerBook G4 from May of 2001. I gave it to my dad last year and it is still running just fine. It's beginning to slow down, but it still runs MS Office, iTunes, and surfs the net just fine.
I was reading (on here I think) where people were saying that they have had there Macs for over ten years and they are not thinking of upgrading becuase their computers are still fast as eff.
Eh, it all depends on what they got and when they got it. Sometimes you can get lucky, and sometimes you can buy a spiffy new laptop 1 month before some significant new technology becomes standard, and your new gear is instantly ancient and borked.
Many people would make the same argument for PC's too. I have a Dell that I've been using as a small web/music server for 7 years or so, and I'm gonna bet it blows a fan before the OS it runs no longer supports its hardware.
It all depends.
Personally, the only reason I'd even consider buying a Mac is for audio/video editing capabilities...they're excellent for sure. But besides that, the support for XP systems is just too broad in general to pass up. Yeah, you're more likely to get viruses and stuff, but if you know how to protect your box, it shouldn't be a prob.
So I just spoke with Apple and Leopard needs to be installed. I guess it comes with DVDs to install it.
They are probably referring to a "drop in pack" where they take new hardware that comes with 10.4.10 on it from the factory and then they toss in a new OS installer which you will have to run. That's pretty weak IMHO if that is the case and if possible (or if you havent ordered yet) make sure to get a Leopard installed unit from the factory. That way your restore disks will also be leopard installers vs having tiger restore disks and a leopard updater....
They are probably referring to a "drop in pack" where they take new hardware that comes with 10.4.10 on it from the factory and then they toss in a new OS installer which you will have to run. That's pretty weak IMHO if that is the case and if possible (or if you havent ordered yet) make sure to get a Leopard installed unit from the factory. That way your restore disks will also be leopard installers vs having tiger restore disks and a leopard updater....
just a thought...
But I don't get it....I am ordering it through the apple website (I haven't ordered it yet). How else can I get the computer with Leopard already installed?
"I don't believe in PJ fans but I believe there is something, not too sure what." - Thoughts_Arrive
But I don't get it....I am ordering it through the apple website (I haven't ordered it yet). How else can I get the computer with Leopard already installed?
if you are ordering through apple and it's a brand new, leopard will be preinstalled
if you are ordering through apple and it's a brand new, leopard will be preinstalled
Negatory. There are a lot of new units in the channels that are Tiger installed. It is up to you to ask/make sure. Given volume turnover that amount will decrease quickly. If your order or item specified asserts "Leopard Pre-Installed" that takes care of it too. Buy it at the apple store online http://store.apple.com and you will supposedly be assured a preinstall.
No big deal, just check and save yourself a potential (small) irritant.
Negatory. There are a lot of new units in the channels that are Tiger installed. It is up to you to ask/make sure. Given volume turnover that amount will decrease quickly. If your order or item specified asserts "Leopard Pre-Installed" that takes care of it too. Buy it at the apple store online http://store.apple.com and you will supposedly be assured a preinstall.
No big deal, just check and save yourself a potential (small) irritant.
ordered online.....under the "included software" for the macbook pro it says mac os x 10.5 leopard......i just spent 4 grand....i better fucking get the latest software preinstalled!!.....:mad: :D
ordered online.....under the "included software" for the macbook pro it says mac os x 10.5 leopard......i just spent 4 grand....i better fucking get the latest software preinstalled!!.....:mad: :D
two out of three units I received today had drop-ins. Not cool for a customer to get their new system and the first thing they have to do is upgrade the OS, no matter how easy it is... For a laptop from the applestore online your pretty much sure to get it preinstalled though. Especially for a MBP.
two out of three units I received today had drop-ins. Not cool for a customer to get their new system and the first thing they have to do is upgrade the OS, no matter how easy it is... For a laptop from the applestore online your pretty much sure to get it preinstalled though. Especially for a MBP.
two out of three units I received today had drop-ins. Not cool for a customer to get their new system and the first thing they have to do is upgrade the OS, no matter how easy it is... For a laptop from the applestore online your pretty much sure to get it preinstalled though. Especially for a MBP.
At least Apple gives you the software. Microsoft would make you buy the upgrade.
I could go on about tech specs, but I think the thread starter probably just wants to hear the bottom line of it really.
Laying it out straight, Mac is totally different from Windows, the entire architecture and everything is different. Which means adjusting can be either a real struggle or an absolute dream depending on how you like the Mac way of things. So try it first.
I'm guessing these have possibly changed a bit (I don't take an interest in Macs) but the standard cons are:
-Not many games (Probably not a concern to you)
-Hardware has to usually be brought from Apple rather than your standard PC shops.
-I seem to remember something about updates have to be paid for (in the next edition) rather than downloaded. Personally, I would have thought that something like this would have been fixed by now, but I honestly don't know.
-Harder to find programs for
Pros include:
-Very fast, PPC (power PC) is an immensely fast architecture.
-Looks good (I always found this a problem really, hence why I can't manage xfce for long and end up changing it)
-Less malware. Reason for this is believed to be because less people use Mac etc. but I'm sure there is another reason.
In my opinion, I will never change to Mac. Linux/FreeBSD is my choice, and any end user stuff I will do on a windows box should I need to. One thing that puts me off Macs is that so many users seem to be over-opinionated (no offence people here). It sounds stupid, but there really are problems with Macs like there is with any OS, so please don't act like there aren't.
GarageBand is an amazing Mac only program though and some graphical design programs for Mac are excellent too. (Did you know Bill Gate's house was designed using a Mac?)
The key element is to just try it first. Any respectable store that sells Macs should let you have a go and probably talk you around it.
Like I said though, don't take my word as stone, I don't use Macs at all. I've been with Linux since I was 14.
I could go on about tech specs, but I think the thread starter probably just wants to hear the bottom line of it really.
Laying it out straight, Mac is totally different from Windows, the entire architecture and everything is different. Which means adjusting can be either a real struggle or an absolute dream depending on how you like the Mac way of things. So try it first.
I'm guessing these have possibly changed a bit (I don't take an interest in Macs) but the standard cons are:
-Not many games (Probably not a concern to you)
-Hardware has to usually be brought from Apple rather than your standard PC shops.
-I seem to remember something about updates have to be paid for (in the next edition) rather than downloaded. Personally, I would have thought that something like this would have been fixed by now, but I honestly don't know.
-Harder to find programs for
Pros include:
-Very fast, PPC (power PC) is an immensely fast architecture.
-Looks good (I always found this a problem really, hence why I can't manage xfce for long and end up changing it)
-Less malware. Reason for this is believed to be because less people use Mac etc. but I'm sure there is another reason.
In my opinion, I will never change to Mac. Linux/FreeBSD is my choice, and any end user stuff I will do on a windows box should I need to. One thing that puts me off Macs is that so many users seem to be over-opinionated (no offence people here). It sounds stupid, but there really are problems with Macs like there is with any OS, so please don't act like there aren't.
GarageBand is an amazing Mac only program though and some graphical design programs for Mac are excellent too. (Did you know Bill Gate's house was designed using a Mac?)
The key element is to just try it first. Any respectable store that sells Macs should let you have a go and probably talk you around it.
Like I said though, don't take my word as stone, I don't use Macs at all. I've been with Linux since I was 14.
- The PPC proc arch has been in phase-out mode for the last year and a half. All Macs are Intel based at this time. A side effect benefit of this is that Apple hardware will run OS X, Windows Vista/XP and/or Linux on the same box just fine. Often times windows runs better on the Mac and installs easier because of private driver and integration development. Isnt that ironic?
- No, updates are free. However, completely new OS revisions (jaguar, tiger etc) usually cost around $100.00. They generally install within 20 minutes on hardware up to three years old.
- For music check out the new Logic Studio. Very good value for money. Garageband is excellent too.
- A new mac comes with applecare. They will send you a box to send it to them. You dont have to leave the house.
a computer is like a car, truck or SUV. Test drive the ones that catch your eye, match it for what you are going to do with it, operating costs and purchase budget and off you go!
I had a quick question. I wanna get a Mac. I only need it for music, internet, email, and pictures. Will the cheapest IMac do the trick?
By the way I was reading your replies and you guys are speaking a different language! Hhahahaha.
Yes you will be extremely satisfied with a mac, I switched from a PC 2 1/2 years ago, and would never go back, and I use my Mac for the same things you want, music, photo, internet, etc..
I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
But I don't get it....I am ordering it through the apple website (I haven't ordered it yet). How else can I get the computer with Leopard already installed?
I ordered a new mac and leopard was pre installed
I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
Comments
Microsoft developed software for Apple long before this. In fact, Office existed for Apple computers before it existed for Windows. Microsoft was working on Windows but they couldn't get their windows to overlap. They kyped this functionality from the Mac.
10 years may be pushing it, but my parents bought a PowerMac G4 (Quicksilver) in 2002 and not only are they still using it, it is still extremely snappy. They never even think of upgrading. They edit videos, use iTunes/iPods, iPhoto, MS Office, etc. and love it.
I also had a Titanium PowerBook G4 from May of 2001. I gave it to my dad last year and it is still running just fine. It's beginning to slow down, but it still runs MS Office, iTunes, and surfs the net just fine.
Many people would make the same argument for PC's too. I have a Dell that I've been using as a small web/music server for 7 years or so, and I'm gonna bet it blows a fan before the OS it runs no longer supports its hardware.
It all depends.
Personally, the only reason I'd even consider buying a Mac is for audio/video editing capabilities...they're excellent for sure. But besides that, the support for XP systems is just too broad in general to pass up. Yeah, you're more likely to get viruses and stuff, but if you know how to protect your box, it shouldn't be a prob.
They are probably referring to a "drop in pack" where they take new hardware that comes with 10.4.10 on it from the factory and then they toss in a new OS installer which you will have to run. That's pretty weak IMHO if that is the case and if possible (or if you havent ordered yet) make sure to get a Leopard installed unit from the factory. That way your restore disks will also be leopard installers vs having tiger restore disks and a leopard updater....
just a thought...
But I don't get it....I am ordering it through the apple website (I haven't ordered it yet). How else can I get the computer with Leopard already installed?
if you are ordering through apple and it's a brand new, leopard will be preinstalled
It BETTER BE brand new! Yeah I am buying brand new.
Negatory. There are a lot of new units in the channels that are Tiger installed. It is up to you to ask/make sure. Given volume turnover that amount will decrease quickly. If your order or item specified asserts "Leopard Pre-Installed" that takes care of it too. Buy it at the apple store online http://store.apple.com and you will supposedly be assured a preinstall.
No big deal, just check and save yourself a potential (small) irritant.
ordered online.....under the "included software" for the macbook pro it says mac os x 10.5 leopard......i just spent 4 grand....i better fucking get the latest software preinstalled!!.....:mad:
two out of three units I received today had drop-ins. Not cool for a customer to get their new system and the first thing they have to do is upgrade the OS, no matter how easy it is... For a laptop from the applestore online your pretty much sure to get it preinstalled though. Especially for a MBP.
well i hope so.....:)
At least Apple gives you the software. Microsoft would make you buy the upgrade.
Laying it out straight, Mac is totally different from Windows, the entire architecture and everything is different. Which means adjusting can be either a real struggle or an absolute dream depending on how you like the Mac way of things. So try it first.
I'm guessing these have possibly changed a bit (I don't take an interest in Macs) but the standard cons are:
-Not many games (Probably not a concern to you)
-Hardware has to usually be brought from Apple rather than your standard PC shops.
-I seem to remember something about updates have to be paid for (in the next edition) rather than downloaded. Personally, I would have thought that something like this would have been fixed by now, but I honestly don't know.
-Harder to find programs for
Pros include:
-Very fast, PPC (power PC) is an immensely fast architecture.
-Looks good (I always found this a problem really, hence why I can't manage xfce for long and end up changing it)
-Less malware. Reason for this is believed to be because less people use Mac etc. but I'm sure there is another reason.
In my opinion, I will never change to Mac. Linux/FreeBSD is my choice, and any end user stuff I will do on a windows box should I need to. One thing that puts me off Macs is that so many users seem to be over-opinionated (no offence people here). It sounds stupid, but there really are problems with Macs like there is with any OS, so please don't act like there aren't.
GarageBand is an amazing Mac only program though and some graphical design programs for Mac are excellent too. (Did you know Bill Gate's house was designed using a Mac?)
The key element is to just try it first. Any respectable store that sells Macs should let you have a go and probably talk you around it.
Like I said though, don't take my word as stone, I don't use Macs at all. I've been with Linux since I was 14.
there you are.
- brain of c
- The PPC proc arch has been in phase-out mode for the last year and a half. All Macs are Intel based at this time. A side effect benefit of this is that Apple hardware will run OS X, Windows Vista/XP and/or Linux on the same box just fine. Often times windows runs better on the Mac and installs easier because of private driver and integration development. Isnt that ironic?
- No, updates are free. However, completely new OS revisions (jaguar, tiger etc) usually cost around $100.00. They generally install within 20 minutes on hardware up to three years old.
- For music check out the new Logic Studio. Very good value for money. Garageband is excellent too.
- A new mac comes with applecare. They will send you a box to send it to them. You dont have to leave the house.
a computer is like a car, truck or SUV. Test drive the ones that catch your eye, match it for what you are going to do with it, operating costs and purchase budget and off you go!
Yes you will be extremely satisfied with a mac, I switched from a PC 2 1/2 years ago, and would never go back, and I use my Mac for the same things you want, music, photo, internet, etc..
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
Awesome!