Big Question for Kat and Sea

darthvedder88

Ok, I don't know much about software. I need the new java in order to get some Pearl Jam bootlegs. Does it cost anything to download the new java? Thanks a lot!!

PissBottleMan

I don't think so.

PBM

darthvedder88

Ok, bc I had to register in order to be able to download it, but I haven't tried downloading it yet and I'm not so sure about it right now.

DarkStar

darthvedder88 wrote:

Ok, bc I had to register in order to be able to download it, but I haven't tried downloading it yet and I'm not so sure about it right now.

shouldn't have had to register to download the program. it does not cost to download it and install it.

here's a link to the most current version (always): http://jdl.sun.com/webapps/download/AutoDL?BundleId=10343

ds

angryyoungman

darthvedder88 wrote:

Ok, I don't know much about software. I need the new java in order to get some Pearl Jam bootlegs. Does it cost anything to download the new java? Thanks a lot!!

here's another big question. why do you guys keep erasing threads? what happened to free speech? this aint toby keith's message pit

Lost In Ohio

angryyoungman wrote:

here's another big question. why do you guys keep erasing threads? what happened to free speech? this aint toby keith's message pit

What threads are they erasing? Maybe they're against the rules you agreed to when you registered to a privately-run board?

Same as in this thread: http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=156948

angryyoungman

Lost In Ohio wrote:

What threads are they erasing? Maybe they're against the rules you agreed to when you registered to a privately-run board?

Same as in this thread: http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=156948

i cant get on your link there. the thread was something like "favorite word for vaginas". your opening up a can of worms when you start selectively erasing threads

PissBottleMan

angryyoungman wrote:

i cant get on your link there. the thread was something like "favorite word for vaginas". your opening up a can of worms when you start selectively erasing threads

I think the Mods are trying to keep this board as clean as possible. Just a theory.

Also:

In an effort to conserve bandwidth we will perform bbs maintenance by regularly and/or randomly removing off topic and/or old posts.

PBM

justam

angryyoungman wrote:

i cant get on your link there. the thread was something like "favorite word for vaginas". your opening up a can of worms when you start selectively erasing threads

Oh come on, you can't figure out why a rude and misogynist thread like that might possibly be inappropriate?

angryyoungman

justam wrote:

Oh come on, you can't figure out why a rude and misogynist thread like that might possibly be inappropriate?

what you find offensive and what i find offensive are two entirely different things. c'mon, we're all adults here (i think). it was obviously something done in jest, there are other things on here I find offensive, and generally what i do is IGNORE them. if enough people did this, it would have just gone away. like i said, your opening up a can of worms when you do this. and it was a new thread, so it wasnt done to clean up

PissBottleMan

angryyoungman wrote:

there are other things on here I find offensive

There's a little exclaimation mark at the top of each post that you can report to the Mods if there is something you don't like or find offensive. I can only assume that someone else found it offensive and reported it.

PBM

angryyoungman

PissBottleMan wrote:

There's a little exclaimation mark at the top of each post that you can report to the Mods if there is something you don't like or find offensive. I can only assume that someone else found it offensive and reported it.

PBM

i was just trying to get to the bottom of this, not be part of the problem. i dont care to be a hypocrite here. a couple of other people who were on the thread with me were curious about it as well. we are after all, on the site of our favorite band who advocate free speech

decides2dream

angryyoungman wrote:

i was just trying to get to the bottom of this, not be part of the problem. i dont care to be a hypocrite here. a couple of other people who were on the thread with me were curious about it as well. we are after all, on the site of our favorite band who advocate free speech

i honestly do not understand why so many seem to have difficulty with this issue. pearl jam advocates free speech, yes. however, they also have chosen to have a moderated message board.....with clear guidelines/rules to follow...so obviously, not always[ about full and total free speech.....like much in life. yes, we have free speech, but most also have the good sense to self-censor given various circumstances....such as while at work....in the presence of children.....etc. you choose how and what to say, and how to say it appropriately. here, if you don't do it for yourself, the mods do it for you. or, as someone else pointed out......the report to mod alert i am sure is utilized as well, b/c cmon, honestly, you think the mods read each and every post in each and every thread?

brain of c

when you get your java......add some bailey's.;)

aNiMaL

angryyoungman wrote:

what you find offensive and what i find offensive are two entirely different things. c'mon, we're all adults here (i think). it was obviously something done in jest, there are other things on here I find offensive, and generally what i do is IGNORE them. if enough people did this, it would have just gone away. like i said, your opening up a can of worms when you do this. and it was a new thread, so it wasnt done to clean up

You need to read the AET: New Rules posted at the very top of AET. Until then, you really shouldn't post in AET if you don't understand why the vagina name thread was deleted. :rolleyes:

intodeep

angryyoungman wrote:

c'mon, we're all adults here (i think).

I believe this is an all ages board so I think we are unfortunately not all adults.

angryyoungman

decides2dream wrote:

i honestly do not understand why so many seem to have difficulty with this issue. pearl jam advocates free speech, yes. however, they also have chosen to have a moderated message board.....with clear guidelines/rules to follow...so obviously, not always[ about full and total free speech.....like much in life. yes, we have free speech, but most also have the good sense to self-censor given various circumstances....such as while at work....in the presence of children.....etc. you choose how and what to say, and how to say it appropriately. here, if you don't do it for yourself, the mods do it for you. or, as someone else pointed out......the report to mod alert i am sure is utilized as well, b/c cmon, honestly, you think the mods read each and every post in each and every thread?

you really think "guidelines/rules to follow", are clear? i dont. read animals post for the link

angryyoungman

aNiMaL wrote:

You need to read the AET: New Rules posted at the very top of AET. Until then, you really shouldn't post in AET if you don't understand why the vagina name thread was deleted. :rolleyes:

ok done. and i still dont understand. this is about clicks and keeping people out of threads, it doesn't say anything about subject matter.

angryyoungman

intodeep wrote:

I believe this is an all ages board so I think we are unfortunately not all adults.

the height of the bands popularity was from 92-95, so i really dont think there are many (if any) 13 year olds on the pearl jam message pit, forget about anyone younger than that. i think you gotta be a pretty dedicated fan to post on here.

PissBottleMan

angryyoungman wrote:

the height of the bands popularity was from 92-95, so i really dont think there are many (if any) 13 year olds on the pearl jam message pit, forget about anyone younger than that. i think you gotta be a pretty dedicated fan to post on here.

You'd be surprised. Plus, a lot of folks don't post at all...they come here to read.

PBM

angryyoungman

PissBottleMan wrote:

You'd be surprised. Plus, a lot of folks don't post at all...they come here to read.

PBM

i just wanna get this straight now:
vagina(medical term): not ok
piss bottle(in user name): ok?

aNiMaL

angryyoungman wrote:

ok done. and i still dont understand. this is about clicks and keeping people out of threads, it doesn't say anything about subject matter.

From that link:

Gossiping about your coworkers' or others bathroom habits is not ok. Please save that and similar topics for a more appropriate forum - we don't have one, nor will we ever.

I think that pretty much covers it the vagina name thread.

Let it go. If you want to talk about off topic subjects, set up your own board. However, just like in the real world, if you came over to my house and started talking about something I did not want you to….I’d kick you out of my house if you did not stop talking about it. This place is no different. You are in someone else’s house…not your own. Have respect for the rules and integrity they try to provide here for this all ages bbs.

aNiMaL

angryyoungman wrote:

i just wanna get this straight now:
vagina(medical term): not ok
piss bottle(in user name): ok?

That is correct. Pissbottleman is a Pearl Jam reference. A thread about other names for the vagina is not okay. Got it straight now?

Understand that cursing is not what is against the rules. Being mean to other people however is. You can say “fuck”….but you cannot tell someone to “fuck off.”

What are considered “raunchy” threads are also not allowed…and your opinion doesn't matter...the opinion of the mods do.

It wasn’t the word vagina that got that thread deleted….it was because it was asking for other names for it…and that lead to just x-rated, raunchy posts. This is not a sex bbs and it should not be used to discuss personal body parts related to or directly about sex organs.

angryyoungman

aNiMaL wrote:

From that link:

Gossiping about your coworkers' or others bathroom habits is not ok. Please save that and similar topics for a more appropriate forum - we don't have one, nor will we ever.

I think that pretty much covers it the vagina name thread.

Let it go. If you want to talk about off topic subjects, set up your own board. However, just like in the real world, if you came over to my house and started talking about something I did not want you to….I’d kick you out of my house if you did not stop talking about it. This place is no different. You are in someone else’s house…not your own. Have respect for the rules and integrity they try to provide here for this all ages bbs.

ive come this far, so you know im not gonna let it go. look at my screen name for gods sake.
1. no it doesn't cover the thread in question.
2. i didnt start the thread, i just posted on it. and there were about 2 pages on it. so apparently im not the only one who thought there was nothing wrong with it. this is not somebody's house, it is whether they want it to be or not, a chat room. and although there are rules, they are incredibly vague and entirely up to interpretation. and like you implied, this is not the real world.
3. you have a problem with this word (eww, a part of the body), but you dont have a problem with people talking about war, politics, religion, other lightning rod subjects in unconventional way. ask one of these people from another country about this, and they will say what is the big deal. the us is one of the few countries where people are still embarrassed to have frank discussions about the human body.

angryyoungman

aNiMaL wrote:

That is correct. Pissbottleman is a Pearl Jam reference. A thread about other names for the vagina is not okay. Got it straight now?

Understand that cursing is not what is against the rules. Being mean to other people however is. You can say “fuck”….but you cannot tell someone to “fuck off.”

What are considered “raunchy” threads are also not allowed…and your opinion doesn't matter...the opinion of the mods do.

It wasn’t the word vagina that got that thread deleted….it was because it was asking for other names for it…and that lead to just x-rated, raunchy posts. This is not a sex bbs and it should not be used to discuss personal body parts related to or directly about sex organs.

how does pissbottleman refer to pearl jam? im a pretty big fan and i've never heard that reference. are you making these rules up as you go along? are you the mod?

aNiMaL

angryyoungman wrote:

ive come this far, so you know im not gonna let it go.
1. no it doesn't cover the thread in question.
2. i didnt start the thread, i just posted on it. and there were about 2 pages on it. so apparently im not the only one who thought there was nothing wrong with it. this is not somebody's house, it is whether they want it to be or not, a chat room. and although there are rules, they are incredibly vague and entirely up to interpretation. and like you implied, this is not the real world.
3. you have a problem with this word (eww, a part of the body), but you dont have a problem with people talking about war, politics, religion, other lightning rod subjects in unconventional way. ask one of these people from another country about this, and they will say what is the big deal. the us is one of the few countries where people are still embarrassed to have frank discussions about the human body.

1. No one said that exact thread had to be covered in the rules. It is clear enough.
2. I never said you started the thread. Just because people post in a thread doesn’t mean the mods didn’t find it inappropriate for reasons I have already told you. No, you’re technically right; this is someone’s private bbs, not their house. By design it is not a chat room, it is a bulletin board system. Yup, entirely up to interpretation…the mods interpretation.
3. I don’t have any problem with any words. You would be hard pressed to find a topic that offended me….but it’s not about me. Yes, there is a proper forum here to discuss war, politics, religion…that is in A Moving Train. Again, there is no forum to discuss sex on this bbs, nor, does there have to be. There are plenty of other bbs’s out there with no restrictions on subject matter.

Now, I don’t have to talk to someone from another country to know that the USA is WAYYYY too prude of a country. I whole heartedly agree with you on that. The whole Janet Jackson tit incident during the Super Bowl was the prime example of the fucking FCC getting too sensor happy and afraid to show a booby. However, that doesn’t change the fact they this is a privately funded and ran bbs who can make up their own rules and guidelines. And still, my point remains…there is no reason on an all ages bbs to have a thread about other names for the vagina. Now, grow the hell up and save that for the right time and place.

aNiMaL

angryyoungman wrote:

how does pissbottleman refer to pearl jam? im a pretty big fan and i've never heard that reference. are you making these rules up as you go along? are you the mod?

02/05/95 - Moore Theater: Seattle, WA (Fan Club show) [100m]
attendance: 1,400
set: Jack Irons chant/Last Exit, Spin the Black Circle, Tremor Christ, Corduroy/Not for You, Animal, W.M.A., Lukin, Glorified G, Daughter, Rearviewmirror, Immortality, Blood
enc 1: Satan's Bed, Black, Porch, Garden, Go
enc 2: Better Man, Let My Love Open the Door
notes: Free tickets were mailed to Ten Club members and PJ appeared as the "Piss Bottle Men." Ed speaks of how they just got their vaccinations for the Asian tour, and, while speaking of "pains in the ass," says about the "jumping thing" (moshing and stagediving) that they are "beyond that now." 'Lukin' premiers at this show. A riff from 'Baba O'Riley' is played to open 'RVM.' 'Immortality's' ending is long, lingering and soft. They pause after a ripping 'Go' for Ed to note, "So this is what the fan club looks like ..." 'Let My Love Open the Door,' a Pete Townshend cover, is played for the first time live by the whole band.

02/06/95 - Moore Theater: Seattle, WA (Fan Club show) [100m]
attendance: 1,400
support act: Magnog
set: Release, Last Exit, Spin the Black Circle, Tremor Christ, Not for You, Corduroy, Lukin, Dissident, Act of Love, Animal, State of Love and Trust, Daughter/(W.M.A) /(Stuff and Nonsense), Improv , Whipping, Immortality, Go
enc 1: The Kids Are Alright, Porch, Jack Irons chant/Blood
enc 2: Jam, Satan's Bed, Rearviewmirror, Instrumental Jam
enc 3: Act of Love
notes: Free tickets were mailed to Ten Club members and PJ appeared as the "Piss Bottle Men." A new song/improv ('The Price of Everything' ?) is dedicated to Riz Rollins, a Seattle record store clerk and occasional funk DJ. Ed explains 'Whipping' as a song "... about getting hit in the face, turning your cheek and getting hit again. Come to think of it, all the songs are about that." 'The Kids Are Alright' is solo by Ed, accompanying himself on guitar. Neil Young joins PJ in a surprise 'Act of Love' encore.

Nope, not making the rules up....it probably just feels that way to you because I am 3 steps ahead of you. Nope, not the mod either. Thanks for playing though.

angryyoungman

aNiMaL wrote:

02/05/95 - Moore Theater: Seattle, WA (Fan Club show) [100m]
attendance: 1,400
set: Jack Irons chant/Last Exit, Spin the Black Circle, Tremor Christ, Corduroy/Not for You, Animal, W.M.A., Lukin, Glorified G, Daughter, Rearviewmirror, Immortality, Blood
enc 1: Satan's Bed, Black, Porch, Garden, Go
enc 2: Better Man, Let My Love Open the Door
notes: Free tickets were mailed to Ten Club members and PJ appeared as the "Piss Bottle Men." Ed speaks of how they just got their vaccinations for the Asian tour, and, while speaking of "pains in the ass," says about the "jumping thing" (moshing and stagediving) that they are "beyond that now." 'Lukin' premiers at this show. A riff from 'Baba O'Riley' is played to open 'RVM.' 'Immortality's' ending is long, lingering and soft. They pause after a ripping 'Go' for Ed to note, "So this is what the fan club looks like ..." 'Let My Love Open the Door,' a Pete Townshend cover, is played for the first time live by the whole band.

02/06/95 - Moore Theater: Seattle, WA (Fan Club show) [100m]
attendance: 1,400
support act: Magnog
set: Release, Last Exit, Spin the Black Circle, Tremor Christ, Not for You, Corduroy, Lukin, Dissident, Act of Love, Animal, State of Love and Trust, Daughter/(W.M.A) /(Stuff and Nonsense), Improv , Whipping, Immortality, Go
enc 1: The Kids Are Alright, Porch, Jack Irons chant/Blood
enc 2: Jam, Satan's Bed, Rearviewmirror, Instrumental Jam
enc 3: Act of Love
notes: Free tickets were mailed to Ten Club members and PJ appeared as the "Piss Bottle Men." A new song/improv ('The Price of Everything' ?) is dedicated to Riz Rollins, a Seattle record store clerk and occasional funk DJ. Ed explains 'Whipping' as a song "... about getting hit in the face, turning your cheek and getting hit again. Come to think of it, all the songs are about that." 'The Kids Are Alright' is solo by Ed, accompanying himself on guitar. Neil Young joins PJ in a surprise 'Act of Love' encore.

Nope, not making the rules up....it probably just feels that way to you because I am 3 steps ahead of you. Nope, not the mod either. Thanks for playing though.

thanx for the reference, pretty obscure. and you are only three steps ahead of me cause i've already lapped you 3X. keep trying though. i shit and i stink, im real join the club, know, what i mean?

aNiMaL

angryyoungman wrote:

i shit and i stink, im real join the club, know, what i mean?

Not really....with the exception of you taking that from my sig and it being a great lyric from one of my favorite Pearl Jam songs...no, I don't see how it relates to this topic.

angryyoungman

aNiMaL wrote:

. Nope, not the mod either. .

but you play one on tv