I wouldn't have seen Norbit on a bet! I'm not talking about crap books or crap TV. Glad I got y'all fired up, though . Kinda thought I might.
Well, at least you've got good taste in movies.:D
I guess that's the point I'm trying to make though - sure, there are crap video games out there. But there are also games that engage the mind, heart, and lungs (if you're playing on the Wii). To pin the ruination of society on video games is like pinning Satanism on rock n' roll - a knee-jerk reaction to a new form of entertainment.
Smokey Robinson constantly looks like he's trying to act natural after being accused of farting.
I don't "stare at a TV for countless hours:p. I've never watched American Idol or Dr. Phil.
I wouldn't have seen Norbit on a bet! I'm not talking about crap books or crap TV. Glad I got y'all fired up, though . Kinda thought I might.
sorry you didnt get me fired up. but as the person above mentioned not every movie is a classic but neither is every video game. so it seems unfair to say norbit, or whatever doesnt count, but ET for atari does.
but american idol is the top rated tv show currently running, so that does say something about tv viewers, at least the majority. and the fact that there are like a million cis and law and order shows which are the same thing over and over and over.
I guess that's the point I'm trying to make though - sure, there are crap video games out there. But there are also games that engage the mind, heart, and lungs (if you're playing on the Wii). To pin the ruination of society on video games is like pinning Satanism on rock n' roll - a knee-jerk reaction to a new form of entertainment.
Fair enough. Let me revise my initial post.... GTA and its ilk (along with Norbit and its ilk) will be the RUINATION of society !!!!
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You can play GTA, you can watch Friday 31th 100 times, you can even read Charles Manson's diary, you can even hear Marylin Manson all day and non of that would affect you unless you have a deranged state of mind. It's all about mental health.
Fair enough. Let me revise my initial post.... GTA and its ilk (along with Norbit and its ilk) will be the RUINATION of society !!!!
GTA isn't really as bad as you might think - it's more of a satire than the murder-simulator the media makes it out to be. Besides which, it's rated M - if kids are playing it before they learn to read, it's a problem with the parents, not GTA.
I don't really mean to keep on arguing with you, specifically - I just get the feeling that all the negative press video games get (such-and-such inspired Jimmy to KILL, etc.) sometimes colours the views of people who haven't had much exposure to the medium. GTA is really no more subversive than a film like A Clockwork Orange, and that was maligned in its day too - but now it's considered a classic piece of artistic shock cinema.
Smokey Robinson constantly looks like he's trying to act natural after being accused of farting.
GTA isn't really as bad as you might think - it's more of a satire than the murder-simulator the media makes it out to be. Besides which, it's rated M - if kids are playing it before they learn to read, it's a problem with the parents, not GTA.
I don't really mean to keep on arguing with you, specifically - I just get the feeling that all the negative press video games get (such-and-such inspired Jimmy to KILL, etc.) sometimes colours the views of people who haven't had much exposure to the medium. GTA is really no more subversive than a film like A Clockwork Orange, and that was maligned in its day too - but now it's considered a classic piece of artistic shock cinema.
but there is a difference. gta is fun(well 3 was, i got bored with vc and sa, and have no interest in iv), clockwork orange sucked, good book though.
but if we are gonna get into the violence of video games vs movies, show me one game that has anything close to hostel or maybe we can go further and look at cannibal holocaust.
that is one thing that does irk me about video games. an m rated video game shows boob and the world goes all crazy, and they arent even real boobs. yet they sell those college frat boy movies, like porkies or american pie and its ok cause its rated r. same with violence. didnt the latest rambo movie have some insane kill count? rated m should equal rated r. both are 17 and up. so why dont they get equal treatment?
but there is a difference. gta is fun(well 3 was, i got bored with vc and sa, and have no interest in iv), clockwork orange sucked, good book though.
but if we are gonna get into the violence of video games vs movies, show me one game that has anything close to hostel or maybe we can go further and look at cannibal holocaust.
that is one thing that does irk me about video games. an m rated video game shows boob and the world goes all crazy, and they arent even real boobs. yet they sell those college frat boy movies, like porkies or american pie and its ok cause its rated r. same with violence. didnt the latest rambo movie have some insane kill count? rated m should equal rated r. both are 17 and up. so why dont they get equal treatment?
Agreed - games are still looked down upon as "kids' stuff", when in fact, they matured beyond that years ago. Where the cinema world seems to be regressing with countless mindless remakes, video games are pushing all kinds of boundaries. Games like Knights of the Old Republic and Bioshock make you consider the moral consequences of your decisions, the Total War series lets you not just learn about history, but participate in the famous battles, and games like Giants: Citizen Kabuto and the Sam and Max series are far funnier than most Hollywood movies.
This is without mentioning that the fact that the player is actively participating in the events keeps them far more mentally active than watching a movie. Except now I have mentioned it.
Smokey Robinson constantly looks like he's trying to act natural after being accused of farting.
but american idol is the top rated tv show currently running, so that does say something about tv viewers, at least the majority. and the fact that there are like a million cis and law and order shows which are the same thing over and over and over.
I'm with you but when you see the hundredth generic movie tie in hit no. 1 sales charts you feel as pooped as anyone who watches American idol (and not for the stupid people at the start)
What will ruin a society is people making such radical judgements about things they don't understand or enjoy. We get it, video games are not your idea of fun. However, there are many many productive people living in a functional world that deeply enjoy their polygons. And there isn't anything wrong with it. In moderation, which is obvious.
Videogames are great.
At least they are more interactive than TV and movies. If you like TV and movies and don't like videogames you are a hypocrite and well...pretty stupid.
Seriously, with RPGs you have to make your own decisions and work with the consequences of those choices, you have to use foresight and strategy, solve puzzles...that's waaay more thinking than what goes into watching the average movie. I won't go as far as to compare them to books because there are some incredible books(and some films) out there that will introduce ideas and philosophies that you, yourself, might never have thought up on your own. But video games aren't all bad, in the least.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Seriously, with RPGs you have to make your own decisions and work with the consequences of those choices, you have to use foresight and strategy, solve puzzles...that's waaay more thinking than what goes into watching the average movie. I won't go as far as to compare them to books because there are some incredible books(and some films) out there that will introduce ideas and philosophies that you, yourself, might never have thought up on your own. But video games aren't all bad, in the least.
Oh, I got a few Role Playing Games for you baby! :cool:
What will ruin a society is people making such radical judgements about things they don't understand or enjoy. We get it, video games are not your idea of fun. However, there are many many productive people living in a functional world that deeply enjoy their polygons. And there isn't anything wrong with it. In moderation, which is obvious.
You are right on two counts: they're not my idea of fun and moderation is key. I'll also admit I've never tried the "thinking man's" games.
A lot of you gamers make good points ( except for the dude who called me a stupid hypocrite ) But here's why I really don't care for them....
1) My wife teaches 3rd grade. She's got way to many kids who (because their parents don't care) play video games for hours but never do their homework.
2) We have free time where I work. We can read or watch TV or play cards or play video games or whatever. It kills me to see a grown man yelling at a video game (especially when these same grown men are hard pressed to write a coherent email).
3) Our public library has been overrun by folks who view it as "the free DVD and video game" store. I want to scream, "Read a fucking book!!!!"
I'm done. Thanks for listening .
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All hobbies and leisure activities are lowering the world's productivity :mad: Total waste of time.
Let's just sleep and work, maybe eat when we need to. The rest can be scrapped!
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hate to tell you but the video games arent the reason kids arent doing their homework. if there werent video games they'd be watching tv. no tv they'd be outside playing tag. unless the parents step in homework is the last thing kids want to do after spending all day at school.
think about it. you go to work for 8 hours and then they expect you to do more work at home and have it ready first thing in the morning. yeah right. and all this with no pay.
hate to tell you but the video games arent the reason kids arent doing their homework. if there werent video games they'd be watching tv. no tv they'd be outside playing tag. unless the parents step in homework is the last thing kids want to do after spending all day at school.
think about it. you go to work for 8 hours and then they expect you to do more work at home and have it ready first thing in the morning. yeah right. and all this with no pay.
they are kids they want to play. simple fact.
In fact, this message board, which is so much more real and vocab-developing (;)) is exactly what I use when I want to delay doing my college work.
Smokey Robinson constantly looks like he's trying to act natural after being accused of farting.
Games give you hand-eye co-ordination and special intelligence together with map reading skills.
and this has been proven too, before anyone calls bullshit on Perceptual.
"I remember one night at Muzdalifa with nothing but the sky overhead, I lay awake amid sleeping Muslim brothers and I learned that pilgrims from every land — every colour, and class, and rank; high officials and the beggar alike — all snored in the same language"
In fact, this message board, which is so much more real and vocab-developing (;)) is exactly what I use when I want to delay doing my college work.
i can find almost anything to not do my school work. sometimes i just nap. but almost anything is better than writing a 10 page paper. i bet i could have beat every game i own since i started college, with all the time ive wasted not doing papers and studying.
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Well, at least you've got good taste in movies.:D
I guess that's the point I'm trying to make though - sure, there are crap video games out there. But there are also games that engage the mind, heart, and lungs (if you're playing on the Wii). To pin the ruination of society on video games is like pinning Satanism on rock n' roll - a knee-jerk reaction to a new form of entertainment.
sorry you didnt get me fired up. but as the person above mentioned not every movie is a classic but neither is every video game. so it seems unfair to say norbit, or whatever doesnt count, but ET for atari does.
but american idol is the top rated tv show currently running, so that does say something about tv viewers, at least the majority. and the fact that there are like a million cis and law and order shows which are the same thing over and over and over.
Fair enough. Let me revise my initial post.... GTA and its ilk (along with Norbit and its ilk) will be the RUINATION of society
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Amen to this. It's parents that should be teaching moderation and morals.
Which, by the way, anyone see the news story about the kids stealing copies of GTA? There has to be some proof in that!
GTA isn't really as bad as you might think - it's more of a satire than the murder-simulator the media makes it out to be. Besides which, it's rated M - if kids are playing it before they learn to read, it's a problem with the parents, not GTA.
I don't really mean to keep on arguing with you, specifically - I just get the feeling that all the negative press video games get (such-and-such inspired Jimmy to KILL, etc.) sometimes colours the views of people who haven't had much exposure to the medium. GTA is really no more subversive than a film like A Clockwork Orange, and that was maligned in its day too - but now it's considered a classic piece of artistic shock cinema.
but there is a difference. gta is fun(well 3 was, i got bored with vc and sa, and have no interest in iv), clockwork orange sucked, good book though.
but if we are gonna get into the violence of video games vs movies, show me one game that has anything close to hostel or maybe we can go further and look at cannibal holocaust.
that is one thing that does irk me about video games. an m rated video game shows boob and the world goes all crazy, and they arent even real boobs. yet they sell those college frat boy movies, like porkies or american pie and its ok cause its rated r. same with violence. didnt the latest rambo movie have some insane kill count? rated m should equal rated r. both are 17 and up. so why dont they get equal treatment?
Agreed - games are still looked down upon as "kids' stuff", when in fact, they matured beyond that years ago. Where the cinema world seems to be regressing with countless mindless remakes, video games are pushing all kinds of boundaries. Games like Knights of the Old Republic and Bioshock make you consider the moral consequences of your decisions, the Total War series lets you not just learn about history, but participate in the famous battles, and games like Giants: Citizen Kabuto and the Sam and Max series are far funnier than most Hollywood movies.
This is without mentioning that the fact that the player is actively participating in the events keeps them far more mentally active than watching a movie. Except now I have mentioned it.
I'm with you but when you see the hundredth generic movie tie in hit no. 1 sales charts you feel as pooped as anyone who watches American idol (and not for the stupid people at the start)
At least they are more interactive than TV and movies. If you like TV and movies and don't like videogames you are a hypocrite and well...pretty stupid.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
You are right on two counts: they're not my idea of fun and moderation is key. I'll also admit I've never tried the "thinking man's" games.
A lot of you gamers make good points ( except for the dude who called me a stupid hypocrite
1) My wife teaches 3rd grade. She's got way to many kids who (because their parents don't care) play video games for hours but never do their homework.
2) We have free time where I work. We can read or watch TV or play cards or play video games or whatever. It kills me to see a grown man yelling at a video game (especially when these same grown men are hard pressed to write a coherent email).
3) Our public library has been overrun by folks who view it as "the free DVD and video game" store. I want to scream, "Read a fucking book!!!!"
I'm done. Thanks for listening
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Let's just sleep and work, maybe eat when we need to. The rest can be scrapped!
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'07 - Katowice, Wembley, Dusseldorf, Copenhagen, Nijmegen
'09 - London, Manchester, London
'12 - Manchester, Manchester, Berlin, Stockholm, Copenhagen
think about it. you go to work for 8 hours and then they expect you to do more work at home and have it ready first thing in the morning. yeah right. and all this with no pay.
they are kids they want to play. simple fact.
In fact, this message board, which is so much more real and vocab-developing (;)) is exactly what I use when I want to delay doing my college work.
i can find almost anything to not do my school work. sometimes i just nap. but almost anything is better than writing a 10 page paper. i bet i could have beat every game i own since i started college, with all the time ive wasted not doing papers and studying.
cant blame video games for my lack of studying.