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Where Are The Good W.M.A Basketball Players At?

LONGRDLONGRD Posts: 6,036
edited February 2008 in All Encompassing Trip
There's plenty of good/elite European and non-U.S. born white players in the NBA but there's absolutely no good white male Americans at all.

A couple of drafts ago, I thought Adam Morrison and J.J. Riddick were the new great white hope. I remember Keith Van Horn's draft day in '97, thought he was the great white hope, but nope wrong again. They're all just bench warmers!!!!! :mad:

I want some new Bird, McHale, Maravich, Ric Barry, Bill Walton, Stockton, Heinsohn, etc...in the game, baby!!!

Screw Nash, he's South African-Canadian....who we got right now that's elite? only Brad Miller, but he's fallen off too...the rest are OK, decent like Korver, J-Wills, Harpring????

Why are the Europeans good players and not ours?

...and to my fellow Celtics fans stop cheering for Scalabrine, he's a scrub!
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  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,882
    Bob Sura
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  • LONGRDLONGRD Posts: 6,036
    Ledbetterman10 wrote:
    Bob Sura
    Who?
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  • know1know1 Posts: 6,794
    Proving racism is alive and well....
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • rockpantsrockpants Posts: 838
    It is tremendously sad and pathetic that you think that way.
  • LONGRDLONGRD Posts: 6,036
    rockpants wrote:
    It is tremendously sad and pathetic that you think that way.
    I love basketball and
    the United States of America.
    And I'd like to see some
    white American faces
    on the court.
    well, the ones that
    can actually play.
    nothing wrong with
    wishful thinking.
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  • gobrowns19gobrowns19 Posts: 1,447
    why? :(
    Happiness is only real when shared
  • SongburstSongburst Posts: 1,195
    Basketball is worse than Hitler.
    1/12/1879, 4/8/1156, 2/6/1977, who gives a shit, ...
  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,882
    LongRd. wrote:
    Who?

    here's all you need to know

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  • markymark550markymark550 Posts: 5,154
    I think the jury is still out on Adam Morrison. He averaged almost 12 points per game off the bench for the Bobcats his rookie year. He's been injured this whole year, so you can't really judge anything off of that. Give him a starting role and 35 minutes per game and I think he'll produce very well for the Bobcats or some other team that gets him.

    You had to know that Reddick was going to flop in the NBA. All he had at Duke was a three point jump shot. With the quality of athlete in the NBA, they can guard him better than anything he ever saw in college, which has basically made him non-productive.

    If Tyler Hansbrough from UNC can develop a consistent 18-20 foot jump shot, I think he will be a good NBA player. Maybe not superstar like he is at Carolina, but will be a good team player and you can't deny his passion and work ethic.

    Kevin Love from UCLA also has some serious potential. I think he's going to need to develop a mid-range jump shot as well because he will be a little undersized to consistently play the post in the NBA.
  • AnonAnon Posts: 11,175
    how about david lee? he is a very good rebounder and hustles his ass off and brings some energy to a team that is a disgrace to new york, basketball, and sports.
  • xavier mcdanielxavier mcdaniel Posts: 9,294
    what about kirk hinrich? or what about troy murphy or mike dunleavy? or chris kaman.
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  • LONGRDLONGRD Posts: 6,036
    GlorifiedAnimal wrote:
    how about david lee? he is a very good rebounder and hustles his ass off and brings some energy to a team that is a disgrace to new york, basketball, and sports.
    xavier mcdaniel wrote:
    what about kirk hinrich? or what about troy murphy or mike dunleavy? or chris kaman.
    Hinrich, Murphy, Kaman are average-slightly good, but they're no All-stars or elites
    Jr. Dunleavy on the other hand, I'm beginning to like his game. A lot.
    Even though I'm a Celtics fan, I've always had some cheerful feelings towards The Pacers and The Jazz.
    Hopefully, Mike Jr. will become a major All-star soon. Had to leave his daddy's team to get minutes. Weird.
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  • xavier mcdanielxavier mcdaniel Posts: 9,294
    LongRd. wrote:
    Hinrich, Murphy, Kaman are average-slightly good, but they're no All-stars or elites
    Jr. Dunleavy on the other hand, I'm beginning to like his game. A lot.
    Even though I'm a Celtics fan, I've always had some cheerful feelings towards The Pacers and The Jazz.
    Hopefully, Mike Jr. will become a major All-star soon. Had to leave his daddy's team to get minutes. Weird.

    They are statistically better than anyone previously mentioned. And Dunleavy Jr never played for his father.
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  • LONGRDLONGRD Posts: 6,036
    xavier mcdaniel wrote:
    They are statistically better than anyone previously mentioned. And Dunleavy Jr never played for his father.
    oh damn, you're right.
    it was Nelly Sr. and that other guy
    Sr. Dunleavy is in L.A. with the Clips.
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  • Solat13Solat13 Posts: 6,996
    Mike Miller has had some solid seasons and Wally Szczerbiak has made an allstar team.
    - Busted down the pretext
    - 8/28/98
    - 9/2/00
    - 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
    - 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
    - 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
    - 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
    - 8/2/07, 8/5/07
    - 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
    - 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
    - 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
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  • xavier mcdanielxavier mcdaniel Posts: 9,294
    damn, i can't believe i forgot about those guys! both would be nice additions at next weeks trade deadline, especially for teams deficient in perimeter shooting.
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    Toronto 2011,Toronto 2011
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  • Solat13Solat13 Posts: 6,996
    xavier mcdaniel wrote:
    damn, i can't believe i forgot about those guys! both would be nice additions at next weeks trade deadline, especially for teams deficient in perimeter shooting.

    That's what I'm here for. When the 76ers beat the Grizzlies this week, the announcers were saying that Memphis was actively shopping Miller.
    - Busted down the pretext
    - 8/28/98
    - 9/2/00
    - 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
    - 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
    - 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
    - 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
    - 8/2/07, 8/5/07
    - 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
    - 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
    - 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
    - 9/11/11, 9/12/11
    - 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
  • LONGRDLONGRD Posts: 6,036
    Solat13 wrote:
    Mike Miller has had some solid seasons and Wally Szczerbiak has made an allstar team.
    Wally is a Spaniard so that makes him European.
    And all he did for the C's was being trade for Ray Allen
    Miller plays for Memphis.
    but again, I'm talking Elite Superstar players
    Dirk, Nash, Pasol, Manu...these are elite superstars in the game. But non-American.
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  • Solat13Solat13 Posts: 6,996
    LongRd. wrote:
    Wally is a Spaniard so that makes him European.
    And all he did for the C's was being trade for Ray Allen
    Miller plays for Memphis.
    but again, I'm talking Elite Superstar players
    Dirk, Nash, Pasol, Manu...these are elite superstars in the game. But non-American.

    Wally'd dad was playing ball in Spain when he was born and had his family living with him. I don't think that makes him Spanish. After his dad retired from playing overseas, he moved his family back to home in Long Island.
    - Busted down the pretext
    - 8/28/98
    - 9/2/00
    - 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
    - 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
    - 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
    - 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
    - 8/2/07, 8/5/07
    - 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
    - 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
    - 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
    - 9/11/11, 9/12/11
    - 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
  • LONGRDLONGRD Posts: 6,036
    Solat13 wrote:
    Wally'd dad was playing ball in Spain when he was born and had his family living with him. I don't think that makes him Spanish. After his dad retired from playing overseas, he moved his family back to home in Long Island.
    Fair enough.
    but dude's not a big playmaker anymore.
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  • rockpantsrockpants Posts: 838
    LongRd. wrote:
    I love basketball and the United States of America. And I'd like to see some white American faces on the court. well, the ones that can actually play. nothing wrong with wishful thinking.

    Coincidental that you formatted your post to the "right"? I've removed the formatting because it's obnoxious.

    What does it matter if a player is white? Black American players aren't good enough for you? Yes, there is something wrong with that sort of "wishful thinking" - it's flat-out racism.
  • AnonAnon Posts: 11,175
    xavier mcdaniel wrote:
    what about kirk hinrich? or what about troy murphy or mike dunleavy? or chris kaman.

    i personally think kaman is having an all-star caliber season and i actually did think he was going to be elected to the all star team. he just gets overlooked because the clips are so bad.

    also, if keith van horn comes back out of retirement to help the mavs and nets finish the kidd trade...theres one classy w.m.a for you.
  • LONGRDLONGRD Posts: 6,036
    rockpants wrote:
    Coincidental that you formatted your post to the "right"? I've removed the formatting because it's obnoxious.

    What does it matter if a player is white? Black American players aren't good enough for you? Yes, there is something wrong with that sort of "wishful thinking" - it's flat-out racism.
    So Larry Bird is a racist when he said
    he'd like to see more white superstar player in the NBA during a 2004 interview? Click Here
    Did I ever said that black American players aren't good to me?
    No, all I said why aren't there any superstar white American in NBA anymore.
    In fact, black players are too good, that's why Hinrich, Dunleavy Jr, Kaman are all overlooked
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