Londoners (UK)

MattCameronKicksButt

I'm curious to know who you voted for.

harmless_little_f***

I didn't vote. I had a bit of an Existential crisis while watch the news and thought to myself, 'I better learn something about politics.'

I dunno.. it all just seems like WWE wrestling in suits.

MattCameronKicksButt

harmless_little_f*** wrote:

I dunno.. it all just seems like WWE wrestling in suits.

Yip.

I didn't vote either because I didn't know who to vote for but I used the fact that I was away as an excuse because I felt guilty.

I can't wait to find out what Boris Johnson is like as a leader.

Fender_Man

As an exiled Londoner, who voted in the first Mayoral elections ( In modern times, don't wanna' here any Dick Whittington references, thank you), I've watched this election in stunned disbelief. If ever there was a case for a "non of the above" option on the ballot slip, this was it. Didn't any Londoner learn from Ken's stint in the GLC? and as for Boris, give me a break!

MattCameronKicksButt

Fender_Man wrote:

As an exiled Londoner, who voted in the first Mayoral elections ( In modern times, don't wanna' here any Dick Whittington references, thank you), I've watched this election in stunned disbelief. If ever there was a case for a "non of the above" option on the ballot slip, this was it. Didn't any Londoner learn from Ken's stint in the GLC? and as for Boris, give me a break!

I think that's how most people felt up and down the country. Probably why more people voted Lib Dem.
So who would you have voted for if you were still in London? Would you have bothered?

P.S. Your signature makes me giggle.

elmer

It's too complicated figuring out how to vote. I get in a fluster, dunno what to do, how to do it, what is what.

I keep ignoring these letters from the council wanting me on a voting register, they claim its 'Law'.

Fender_Man

MattCameronKicksButt wrote:

I think that's how most people felt up and down the country. Probably why more people voted Lib Dem.
So who would you have voted for if you were still in London? Would you have bothered?

P.S. Your signature makes me giggle.

To be honest, I don't think I would have voted. Never been into just picking the lesser of two evils, I've got to believe in a candidate to make the effort. I voted for Stephen Norris in 2004, not out of any love for the Conservative party, just because I didn't want another four years of Ken. My signature, well you could always rely on FZ for a snappy comeback!

MattCameronKicksButt

elmer wrote:

It's too complicated figuring out how to vote. I get in a fluster, dunno what to do, how to do it, what is what.

I keep ignoring these letters from the council wanting me on a voting register, they claim its 'Law'.

Maybe if people felt more strongly about the council or government they wanted in, they'd try harder to figure out how to fill in the ballot form.
So there's been about four or five people responded to this thread and none of us even voted!

duggro

i don't mean to cause offence, but the inability to fill out a ballot form is a shocking excuse for not voting. there are plenty of sources of information on the web and at polling stations which tell you how the form is organised, and how to cast your vote.


on the other hand, with the recent controversy in scottish election with huge numbers of wasted votes due to incorrectly filled-in ballots, i think it might be a good method of discounting the political opinions of idiots. there were letters in the post, adverts on tv and posters at the polling station telling us how to vote, yet thousands of people couldnt manage it.

if you lack the ability to fill out a form, you lack the sense to cast an informed vote

MattCameronKicksButt

duggro wrote:

i don't mean to cause offence, but the inability to fill out a ballot form is a shocking excuse for not voting. there are plenty of sources of information on the web and at polling stations which tell you how the form is organised, and how to cast your vote.


on the other hand, with the recent controversy in scottish election with huge numbers of wasted votes due to incorrectly filled-in ballots, i think it might be a good method of discounting the political opinions of idiots. there were letters in the post, adverts on tv and posters at the polling station telling us how to vote, yet thousands of people couldnt manage it.

if you lack the ability to fill out a form, you lack the sense to cast an informed vote

I disagree. I think it says a lot about the government and politics. If you don't already know how to fill out the ballot paper why would you want to go out of your way to figure it out if you're only continueously disappointed by the results. It just seems to me that Labour voters are generally fatigued by the government at the moment and don't have anywhere else to turn. I THINK most voted Lib Dem this time round and some even voted BNP as a protest vote, which in my eyes, only proves my point.

I just can't believe no one here voted for Ken, Boris or the others. I thought most pearl Jam fans were into their politics. Besides, I want to be nosy and see who voted for Boris and why.

Fender_Man

What I find most disturbing about this election (and most elections in this country) is that only 45% of the electorate actually bothered to vote. If we give Boris approximately 40% of that 45%, would I be correct in saying that only 18% of the electorate actually voted for Boris to be mayor?
I know it's a little more complicated than that, because you had a second choice vote that counted towards the outcome, but even my O level grade C maths brain tells me that a whopping 82% of the London electorate does not want the new mayor! This can't be a good thing?
I think that this was more of a vote against 8 years of Ken, than a vote for Boris. When you consider that the two previous mayoral elections only had turnouts of 34% and 36% (it appears that Ken didn't have to work too hard to get elected in the past), was the extra 9% turnout this time around due to a general desire to see the back of Ken or just a general raising of interest in the whole London mayor thing?

duggro

MattCameronKicksButt wrote:

I disagree. I think it says a lot about the government and politics. If you don't already know how to fill out the ballot paper why would you want to go out of your way to figure it out if you're only continueously disappointed by the results. It just seems to me that Labour voters are generally fatigued by the government at the moment and don't have anywhere else to turn. I THINK most voted Lib Dem this time round and some even voted BNP as a protest vote, which in my eyes, only proves my point.

I just can't believe no one here voted for Ken, Boris or the others. I thought most pearl Jam fans were into their politics. Besides, I want to be nosy and see who voted for Boris and why.

your point has nothing to do with the ballot papers

people being disillusioned and people not knowing how to fill out a ballot are separate things. if someone says "It's too complicated figuring out how to vote. I get in a fluster, dunno what to do, how to do it, what is what." that has nothing to do with lack of faith in the government, its to do with an inability to carry out a task

i think your point is totally valid about not wanting to vote but as for "proving your point" you actually contradict yourself. you can't say a.) people didnt vote because they are fatigued and disillusioned and b.) they voted as a protest vote

i'm honestly not arguing with you for the sake of it, i support most of what you said, i just have a total pet peeve about people with terrible excuses for not using their right to vote

and ps. im also rather curious about who voted for who. i like boris, he seems like an alright guy who just shocks people by saying what he thinks, im just not too clued up on his policies

MattCameronKicksButt

Fender_Man wrote:

What I find most disturbing about this election (and most elections in this country) is that only 45% of the electorate actually bothered to vote. If we give Boris approximately 40% of that 45%, would I be correct in saying that only 18% of the electorate actually voted for Boris to be mayor?
I know it's a little more complicated than that, because you had a second choice vote that counted towards the outcome, but even my O level grade C maths brain tells me that a whopping 82% of the London electorate does not want the new mayor! This can't be a good thing?
I think that this was more of a vote against 8 years of Ken, than a vote for Boris. When you consider that the two previous mayoral elections only had turnouts of 34% and 36% (it appears that Ken didn't have to work too hard to get elected in the past), was the extra 9% turnout this time around due to a general desire to see the back of Ken or just a general raising of interest in the whole London mayor thing?

I didn't get that second choice thing. Has it always been that way in London? I don't think so? There must have been some reason for it I guess.
I was only really interested in this election because it was between Boris and ken. Like harmless says, it's sort of like watching WWF which sickens me a bit but, hey, I'm only human. I was also curious to know if people really like Boris or if they were just trying to out Ken... or even if it was a dig against Labour. So yeah, I think we're basicly on the same page.

Drop The Leash 10

dumbeldore

MattCameronKicksButt

duggro wrote:

your point has nothing to do with the ballot papers

people being disillusioned and people not knowing how to fill out a ballot are separate things. if someone says "It's too complicated figuring out how to vote. I get in a fluster, dunno what to do, how to do it, what is what." that has nothing to do with lack of faith in the government, its to do with an inability to carry out a task

i think your point is totally valid about not wanting to vote but as for "proving your point" you actually contradict yourself. you can't say a.) people didnt vote because they are fatigued and disillusioned and b.) they voted as a protest vote

i'm honestly not arguing with you for the sake of it, i support most of what you said, i just have a total pet peeve about people with terrible excuses for not using their right to vote

and ps. im also rather curious about who voted for who. i like boris, he seems like an alright guy who just shocks people by saying what he thinks, im just not too clued up on his policies

Thanks for being polite but I don't know how to re phrase what I've written three times already. I think it has a lot to do with peoples lack of interest in politics these days. I don't know what else to say to you.

I'm very aware that choosing the lesser of two evils is better than no choice at all but I can fully understand how people can lose interest. And as for the inability to carry out a task thing, I think that's a bit unfair. Anyone can work it out if they were that interested. You said yourself that there's been enough help.

duggro

you may have said it three times, but you have still not quite grasped the purpose of my responses to you

your initial response to my post was unrelated to what i was saying really, and you followed it by contradicting yourself in your second reply

"I disagree. I think it says a lot about the government and politics. If you don't already know how to fill out the ballot paper why would you want to go out of your way to figure it out if you're only continueously disappointed by the results"

vs

"I THINK most voted Lib Dem this time round and some even voted BNP as a protest vote, which in my eyes, only proves my point."

thats all i was saying. i have stated that i agree with what you've written "three times already". i dont understand why you replying to my posts is interpreted as me picking apart your posts. i'm merely trying to understand why you are arguing, when our points arent really related

me- wasted votes and people too thick to use them
you- people are disillusioned

sheesh

MattCameronKicksButt

duggro wrote:

you may have said it three times, but you have still not quite grasped the purpose of my responses to you

your initial response to my post was unrelated to what i was saying really, and you followed it by contradicting yourself in your second reply

"I disagree. I think it says a lot about the government and politics. If you don't already know how to fill out the ballot paper why would you want to go out of your way to figure it out if you're only continueously disappointed by the results"

vs

"I THINK most voted Lib Dem this time round and some even voted BNP as a protest vote, which in my eyes, only proves my point."

thats all i was saying. i have stated that i agree with what you've written "three times already". i dont understand why you replying to my posts is interpreted as me picking apart your posts. i'm merely trying to understand why you are arguing, when our points arent really related

me- wasted votes and people too thick to use them
you- people are disillusioned

sheesh

I think our wires are crossed a bit. I don't think it's fair to say that some people are too stupid to vote but I agree with most of what you've said.
Ignore my 'only proves my point' thing. I was just quickly trying to finish off my sentence. As for the one point vs the other thing, I just meant that some will give protest votes, others just won't bother getting involved. It pretty much means the same thing to me. Does that make sense to you?

duggro

it does indeed sir, it does indeed.

wires uncrossed and sitting independently of one another, albeit pointing in slightly different directions.

MattCameronKicksButt

duggro wrote:

it does indeed sir, it does indeed.

wires uncrossed and sitting independently of one another, albeit pointing in slightly different directions.

Yeah, okay.

*Gives kisses to duggro* (Tongue and all).

elmer

duggro wrote:

i don't mean to cause offence, but the inability to fill out a ballot form is a shocking excuse for not voting. there are plenty of sources of information on the web and at polling stations which tell you how the form is organised, and how to cast your vote.


on the other hand, with the recent controversy in scottish election with huge numbers of wasted votes due to incorrectly filled-in ballots, i think it might be a good method of discounting the political opinions of idiots.

if you lack the ability to fill out a form, you lack the sense to cast an informed vote

A sense socio-political duty forbids me from casting an idiot-vote, thus, I don't obscure the the vote of admirable, thinking citizens such as yourself.
Aristotle wouldn't want me muddling the count either.

genie

Fender_Man wrote:

What I find most disturbing about this election (and most elections in this country) is that only 45% of the electorate actually bothered to vote. If we give Boris approximately 40% of that 45%, would I be correct in saying that only 18% of the electorate actually voted for Boris to be mayor?
I know it's a little more complicated than that, because you had a second choice vote that counted towards the outcome, but even my O level grade C maths brain tells me that a whopping 82% of the London electorate does not want the new mayor! This can't be a good thing?
I think that this was more of a vote against 8 years of Ken, than a vote for Boris. When you consider that the two previous mayoral elections only had turnouts of 34% and 36% (it appears that Ken didn't have to work too hard to get elected in the past), was the extra 9% turnout this time around due to a general desire to see the back of Ken or just a general raising of interest in the whole London mayor thing?

hehe, yep. i agree with everything you said in here. but honestly why did people vote for the same stale parties? couldn't they be at least more adventurous, and vote for LibDems instead? i've not even talking about those not very famous parties like GreenParty....

those pricks, didn't they see shows with Boris Johnson, that idiot is going to fuck up this city and make mistakes.....i can just see it coming. He is a liar, he is a middleclass, and has he ever done any jobs that involved responsibility? no...besides being just a damn journalist. God even the way he talks annoys me, it's so fucking posh.

oh, yeah and i did vote.