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GreenTeaDisease

Jeanie wrote:

hate that!
how hard would it be to find another job in environmental economics where you are right now?

yeah. unfortunately, I already applied everywhere else around here when I was looking for *this* job and they all pay really badly anyway, so I wouldn't be able to afford to live around here...I know this sounds weird, but it is very catch-22 situation.

Jeanie wrote:

yeah, sinking in debt is a horrible feeling.
how about seeing a financial advisor? see if they can help you hatch a plan to get out of debt faster?

haha well I do have one actually, but unfortunately, $80K of student debt isn't very easy to speed up.

glb

it's 9:05 PM and I'm still at work.

Jeanie

GreenTeaDisease wrote:

yeah. unfortunately, I already applied everywhere else around here when I was looking for *this* job and they all pay really badly anyway, so I wouldn't be able to afford to live around here...I know this sounds weird, but it is very catch-22 situation.

It doesn't sound weird. It is a catch-22. A situation I know very well.
Not sure what you can do really. I only know what I did eventually and that after I'd done it I didn't regret it. It's a difficult game to play GTD. I hope you can somehow find a way to live with it as well as you can for as long as you need to.

GreenTeaDisease wrote:

haha well I do have one actually, but unfortunately, $80K of student debt isn't very easy to speed up.

aaargh!! :eek: I thought my $30,000 was bad enough!
I dunno, it's just bull that people have to get themselves into that kind of debt just to be educated.

haffajappa

Jeanie wrote:

Stickman!!

GreenTeaDisease
absolutely!

i am typing with my toes...

Allie

GreenTeaDisease wrote:

and people wonder why I am on here so much lately.

I did not spend 19 years in school studying my ass off and a gagillion dollars on higher education to summarize company web sites.

I know that's not cool to not enjoy your job
but I think it's better to be 'bored' then to be stressed, if you know what I mean

are you looking for something else in the meantime?

I mean in this economy I think you have to feel grateful to have a well paying job
my job is not bad, it's just part time so it's not enough moolah coming in
but it took me a looong time to get that one!

Allie

Jeanie wrote:

aaargh!! :eek: I thought my $30,000 was bad enough!
I dunno, it's just bull that people have to get themselves into that kind of debt just to be educated.

they don't 'have to' Jeanie, it depends where you go and what kind of degree you get. I'm in pretty big debt myself, I took out loans for my master's. And the starting salary was way less than what I paid for my education! But at the time I did it, I thought I was going to get married, so I thought there would be 2 incomes. :eek: D'oh! That did not work out so much!

Jeanie

doin'the-evolution wrote:

i am typing with my toes...

Well done! That's quite a skill!

Jeanie

Allie wrote:

they don't 'have to' Jeanie, it depends where you go and what kind of degree you get. I'm in pretty big debt myself, I took out loans for my master's. And the starting salary was way less than what I paid for my education! But at the time I did it, I thought I was going to get married, so I thought there would be 2 incomes. :eek: D'oh! That did not work out so much!

Yeah, I know you'll find this out there lovely, but I believe that education should be the right of everyone and it's wrong that people have to pay that kind of money just to learn.

Allie

Jeanie wrote:

Yeah, I know you'll find this out there lovely, but I believe that education should be the right of everyone and it's wrong that people have to pay that kind of money just to learn.

It's not out there! I'm with you! They just don't do it like that over here, unfortunately

is 'uni' free in Australia?

I mean here it depends where you go. State Universities are less expensive, but college in general and grad school is super pricey. The tuition, the fees, the books! Textbooks are crazy! 10 yrs ago in grad school I remember paying like $500 a semestser!!!

but I also felt if I was going to get a graduate degree I wanted to go to the 'best' name brand school. That's only probably a good plan if you are wealthy though! :eek:

Jeanie

Allie wrote:

It's not out there! I'm with you! They just don't do it like that over here, unfortunately

is 'uni' free in Australia?

I mean here it depends where you go. State Universities are less expensive, but college in general and grad school is super pricey. The tuition, the fees, the books! Textbooks are crazy! 10 yrs ago in grad school I remember paying like $500 a semestser!!!

but I also felt if I was going to get a graduate degree I wanted to go to the 'best' name brand school. That's only probably a good plan if you are wealthy though! :eek:

Yeah, it's becoming the same here. I guess I'm a dinosaur coz I remember the old days. It's just bullshit that quality education is becoming unobtainable if you're not wealthy and that it's setting smart people that want to go further up to a life of debt before they even get started.

Allie

Jeanie wrote:

Yeah, it's becoming the same here. I guess I'm a dinosaur coz I remember the old days. It's just bullshit that quality education is becoming unobtainable if you're not wealthy and that it's setting smart people that want to go further up to a life of debt before they even get started.

hmm. well I can't speak for other states too much, well other than California, they have an excellent university system
but NY has excellent state schools and they are the 'least expensive' option, and there is financial aid available and scholarships.

W.C. Carter

I work in the Electronics department. . . at Wal-Mart. . .in Joplin, Missouri (Where!?!) Exactly. "Y'all got this movie in full screen?" "Y'all got any movies on VHS?" "I wanna get this Sony iPod."

Dumb Ass: Will this (PSP game) play on my PS2?
Smart Ass (Me): No
DA: When did they stop doing that?
SA: They never did that.
DA: Well mine does.
SA: No it doesn't.
DA: Yeah it does.
SA: No, your PS2 plays PS1 games.
DA: Yeah, and these.
SA: No, the PSP games are only for the Playstation Portable.
DA: Whatever. Go ahead and gimme that one. (PSP game)
SA: Okay, but if you buy this and open it and it doesn't work, you can't return.
DA: I won't need to return it.


Unless somebody here shovels shit for a living, I think I win so far. I don't get paid shit either.

Jeanie

Allie wrote:

hmm. well I can't speak for other states too much, well other than California, they have an excellent university system
but NY has excellent state schools and they are the 'least expensive' option, and there is financial aid available and scholarships.

The thing is, as I see it, doesn't it make for a smarter world in general if those with the aptitude are given every possible opportunity to strive?
I mean the earning capacity, the wealth they will create simply by being able to pursue their academic inclinations, well there's got to be more money in that in the long run, surely?

Allie

Jeanie wrote:

The thing is, as I see it, doesn't it make for a smarter world in general if those with the aptitude are given every possible opportunity to strive?
I mean the earning capacity, the wealth they will create simply by being able to pursue their academic inclinations, well there's got to be more money in that in the long run, surely?

theoretically I guess that is so, Jeanie
but colleges, like anything else, are also businesses and imo they want to get paid for their services up front! Who knows what someone's going to do with a degree
I mean it depends what you get the degree in, too. If you get an MBA, yeah, you'll earn a ton. My psychology degree I could wipe my behind with, you can't get really high paying jobs with that. and with my master's the starting salary for a social worker is usually about $30,000!! Well maybe now it's higher, that's what it was 10 yrs ago. I made more b/c I was fortunate, but its not a high payoff field!

I mean yeah I think everyone should have access to and/or free education (and health care! Hello Canada!) but well, we'll see

haffajappa

W.C. Carter wrote:

I work in the Electronics department. . . at Wal-Mart. . .in Joplin, Missouri (Where!?!) Exactly. "Y'all got this movie in full screen?" "Y'all got any movies on VHS?" "I wanna get this Sony iPod."

Dumb Ass: Will this (PSP game) play on my PS2?
Smart Ass (Me): No
DA: When did they stop doing that?
SA: They never did that.
DA: Well mine does.
SA: No it doesn't.
DA: Yeah it does.
SA: No, your PS2 plays PS1 games.
DA: Yeah, and these.
SA: No, the PSP games are only for the Playstation Portable.
DA: Whatever. Go ahead and gimme that one. (PSP game)
SA: Okay, but if you buy this and open it and it doesn't work, you can't return.
DA: I won't need to return it.


Unless somebody here shovels shit for a living, I think I win so far. I don't get paid shit either.

you're not the only one who works in retail

Jeanie

Allie wrote:

theoretically I guess that is so, Jeanie
but colleges, like anything else, are also businesses and imo they want to get paid for their services up front! Who knows what someone's going to do with a degree
I mean it depends what you get the degree in, too. If you get an MBA, yeah, you'll earn a ton. My psychology degree I could wipe my behind with, you can't get really high paying jobs with that. and with my master's the starting salary for a social worker is usually about $30,000!! Well maybe now it's higher, that's what it was 10 yrs ago. I made more b/c I was fortunate, but its not a high payoff field!

I mean yeah I think everyone should have access to and/or free education (and health care! Hello Canada!) but well, we'll see

Yeah, I know what you're saying Allie. I understand it and I realize that education has to be funded but I find it sad that there are really bright people out there that potentially could make HUGE differences to the quality of life for all of us and they have to scrimp and save, go with out and in some cases miss out entirely purely because of money. Maybe it would work better if it was means tested? So for instance if you get your psych degree it's free until you start earning over $60,000 per year or do equivalent community service in that field or something? I know it won't happen, but it doesn't stop me from wishing it so.

gabers

W.C. Carter wrote:

I work in the Electronics department. . . at Wal-Mart. . .in Joplin, Missouri (Where!?!) Exactly. "Y'all got this movie in full screen?" "Y'all got any movies on VHS?" "I wanna get this Sony iPod."

Dumb Ass: Will this (PSP game) play on my PS2?
Smart Ass (Me): No
DA: When did they stop doing that?
SA: They never did that.
DA: Well mine does.
SA: No it doesn't.
DA: Yeah it does.
SA: No, your PS2 plays PS1 games.
DA: Yeah, and these.
SA: No, the PSP games are only for the Playstation Portable.
DA: Whatever. Go ahead and gimme that one. (PSP game)
SA: Okay, but if you buy this and open it and it doesn't work, you can't return.
DA: I won't need to return it.


Unless somebody here shovels shit for a living, I think I win so far. I don't get paid shit either.

Dude, my little sister went to college in Joplin. I remember that Walmart! I'll never forget my first impression. I walk in the front doors and some very large man with odor issues is lumbering towards me with overalls and no shirt underneath. Priceless! I just had to stop and admire to take it all in.

nuffingman

gabers wrote:

I walk in the front doors and some very large man with odor issues is lumbering towards me with overalls and no shirt underneath. Priceless! I just had to stop and admire to take it all in.

Daddy!

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*raises hand*

Well, my job doesn't actually suck in theory but it does in reality. I'm thrilled to death to have actually gotten a job in my field and when I tell people what I do it sounds so good to me that I get excited and think I like it. But then I actually get to work and remember that my boss is impossible to work with. He lives in an alternate reality. I call it Larryworld. It's like working at Disney World where my job is to make someone else's fantasy a reality. But some things are just not possible, ya know? And I get paid shit. Okay, not total shit, but I don't get paid well and there's no hope of ever getting a decent raise. (Is it too much to ask to be able to afford to go to one Pearl Jam concert since 1993?!)

But I don't feel like I can leave because:
1. I really do like the work I'm supposed to be doing and don't believe there are any other jobs in the area doing the same work. And I love my co-workers. And I have great benefits.
2. I feel like my ticket out of here is to finish my master's degree, and my employer is paying for that.
3. Mortgage. Student loans. Credit cards. Etc. I couldn't possibly afford to take a pay cut.

Okay - whew! Now I'll have to remind myself that I'm healthy and I have wonderful friends and family and cats and I'm not homeless and hopefully I'll stop feeling sorry for myself and get some work done.

DinghyDog

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